i make no predictions. I trust no models. I have no freaking clue -nor do you
Crowds flock to reopened Jacksonville beaches as Florida hits record coronavirus case
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Dutch Uncle
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You make a big fucking deal about it then claim you didn't? That's lame, girl.
It's not rocket science to listen to the factual briefings and do the math. Any high school freshman can do that math. It doesn't take a "stable genius".
I made no big fucking deal about the models or the numbers
I just realized about 3/4 of my posts are correcting yours. You should up your game by not always misrepresenting mine
Dutch Uncle
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Actually you did. That's when you lost your dharma and switched on your drama queen.
If my posts offend you, ignore them. Be the ball. Center yourself.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Dutch Uncle,
Agreed. If there is an increase due to transmission at the beach we should begin seeing an increase in another week or two. And also correct that Jacksonville has been seeing a steady increase throughout the time prior to and after the beach opening.
Agreed. If there is an increase due to transmission at the beach we should begin seeing an increase in another week or two. And also correct that Jacksonville has been seeing a steady increase throughout the time prior to and after the beach opening.
"If" being the operative word here....
Closely related to "If, against all science....."
barf
Dutch Uncle
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Pro-science people know to qualify their theories. The odds are strong that numbers of infected will increase.
The fact remains our nation was ill-prepared for this. We're spent all of our reserves and now Trump and Congress is just printing money. The budget deficit for 2020 is about $4T. That's on top of the $23T our nation is already in the hole. The GDP for 2018 was $21T, so our nation is in more debt than it generates, even in a productive "Trump year".
I have no understanding on why so many people think that having so much debt is okay. Maybe it is better if 10 million Americans die of disease so that the rest of the population can understand the consequences of their actions.
Have it your way. Doesn't matter, as the point stands. People have the right to do stupid crap to themselves, but when it affects others, those others have the right to shut it down. Just so there is no confusion. Maybe you should try to address that point instead of trying to parse the statement.
Dutch Uncle
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That is true to an extent; the extent being that you can't order people to go broke. That's what is happening here. Even with Eminent Domain, which this is not, property owners must be compensated. The Left constantly bitches about corporations but what you are advocating helps the corporations by eliminating a great number of small businesses.
Trump didn't put us in this position, he just did nothing to help it. The problem is that our nation has expended all of its reserves, is spending more money than it takes as revenue and, now, is putting another $3T of debt on top of the $1T budget deficit. Don't tell me the Democrats would do much better if they were in the WH, because they wouldn't. Both parties blow taxpayer dollars like it grew on trees; the only difference is what they spend it upon.
Point taken but........ those two issues, IMHO are separate. One is a public health policy, the other is a budget strategy. This is an appropriate time to deficit spend. But it is exasperated by the fact that we deficit spend when we SHOULDN'T be. Our taxation policy is absurd, and has been since the 1980s. The reason we are in this financial pickle is simple.... our wage/wealth gap has expanded way too rapidly, and the gap was filled by burdening consumers with debt. Change the tax policies. Impose the Warren wealth tax. Reform entitlement and take a scimitar to defense spending. And when you are done with that, fix the healthcare system. Radical change is the only thing that will get us out debt, but I for one am not prepared to worsen a public health crisis because we don't want to offend rich people and corporations.
lol.. OK, that one was good!
pure socialism without understanding the tax load already born by the rich.
What you should be saying -and what I disagree with by Trump- is federal income tax needs to be expanded
more into the lower percentiles.
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"tax da rich" has already been done - yo might as just as well just start wealth confiscation and call it what it is.
Of course the REAL PROBLEM IS WASTEFUL SPENDING -but of course you won't go there being a tax and spend Dem
Dutch Uncle
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Separate but related. Our nation doesn't "save for a rainy day", it spends everything it has and then spends more. There is nothing left over for that "rainy day". Well, the rain has arrived and we're broke so now our government is just printing money.
Yes, there are a lot of things that could be done to fix it, but obviously neither party seems interested in doing anything more than "my way or the highway".
I am practical. And the solution I propose is practical. It's simple macroeconomics. It is NOT socialism any more than the current system is socialism. The tax rate on the most wealthy is too low, and the government therefore misses out on revenue that could be used to expand the economy. What dollar do you think is most likely to be spent, an unemployment dollar, or a dollar earned from a dividend in a 100 million dollar portfolio? If you don't know the answer, you don't belong in this discussion. If the tax burden on the wealthy is so great, why has their share of the wealth expanded so rapidly? Obviously, they are keeping WAY more for themselves than they used to. Why would we NOT tax those dollars when we have a deficit?
Your last statement is the reason nothing gets done. Both parties have been rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. The only time we've come close to a major budget deal, it was torpedoed by the Tea Party. I guess no one else has had the guts to try it again. So you are right, we SHOULD have been preparing for this from both perspectives. A pandemic was inevitable. It won't be the last one.
wealth always aggregates more wealth, and there is nothing wrong with that.
In fact that's where venture capitalism comes from and why people work so hard to get rich.
Start making wealth impossible to have/hold and you disincentivize risk taking.
Remove risk/reward and new businesses won't open.
Have you looked at the federal tax rates? the tax structure is already progressive
I notice you fail to comment on spending except DoD which is our national security
we spend way too much on special interests
Dutch Uncle
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True. OTOH, just like Pearl Harbor and 9/11 convinced most Americans something needs to be done, this pandemic will have a similar result.
Our nation doesn't have the reserves to stay in lock down. The food supply chain is breaking due to plant shutdowns. When people start eating stray cats and dogs, maybe they'll be pissed off enough to demand their government fix the problems. The nation has to open because staying in lockdown means starvation and bankruptcy. Obviously that means taking the 1-3% fatality hit, about half of the nation's 65+ along with tens of thousands of others who have health issues or simply fall victim to the disease.
Post-COVID-19 is when, if any, we'll see the nation change course. Hopefully for the better.
wealth always aggregates more wealth, and there is nothing wrong with that.
In fact that's where venture capitalism comes from and why people work so hard to get rich.
Start making wealth impossible to have/hold and you disincentivize risk taking.
Remove risk/reward and new businesses won't open.
Have you looked at the federal tax rates? the tax structure is already progressive
I notice you fail to comment on spending except DoD which is our national security
we spend way too much on special interests
Interesting chart. Completely irrelevant. That isn't enough. If it was, we would not see the wealth gap continuing to expand. In 1983 the top 5% held 60% of the wealth. Today it is 80%. That is an enormous difference. Enough certainly to make a huge dent in the debt. I guess you don't think anyone took risks pre 1983? Of course they did.
As for defense spending, it makes up just about half of all discretionary spending, so obviously that's the easiest target. I'm fine with looking at cuts elsewhere, but I am NOT fine with cuts only. We have to significantly raise revenue.
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I went to the beach yesterday. It was gorgeous.
People aren't getting Covid on the beach, they're getting it in grocery stores, Target/Walmarts, etc. with hundreds of people packed in there like cattle from sun up to moon up. You couldn't pay me to go in there.
ROFL so your REAL problem is the wealth gap..a fine socialist agenda you have there.
And to "fix"the wealth gap you are willing to soak the rich even to the point of confiscatory taxes.
So tell us -are you a dumb ass millenial, GenX? because boomers like rich people -they have endowments and charities and they create jobs.
DOD spending is national security. do you have any idea of the expansion in Chinese armed forces?
Not just the People's Liberation Army ( largest in the world) but the fact China and Russia can now field a unified command. And this is just fine with you right? Not a threat to the west right?