Where are the wealthy "job creators" during all this, anyway? I mean, other than sucking up the PPP funds for their "small businesses"?
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Where are the wealthy "job creators" during all this, anyway? I mean, other than sucking up the PPP funds for their "small businesses"?
If you added up all the charitable giving in the US, including things like the NYC Ballet and tithing to the Mormon Church, it doesn't even surpass Medicaid's budget.
And 26M people have lost their jobs. Where are the so-called "job creators" now? Nowhere of course, because hiring someone and creating a job are two different things.
Look at you try to pivot away from China when you've spent the last 4 years doing the exact opposite.
What a fucking fraud.
I'm old enough to remember when you predicted a new trade deal with China...still waiting on that.
We've now reached the point of Conservative progression where they try to shift focus to China, the country they simultaneously blame for COVID but magically think will negotiate in good faith on a trade deal that will never ever happen.
they gave it back. the program was rushed thru because of exigent circumstances. But i agree public corps should not be getting the PPP money
Man the Trump cultists on this board are bad at guessing. And bad at facts. The first vote I cast for President was for John Anderson. Do the math. I'm a boomer and I'm very successful. Who I am has nothing to do with the argument I'm making. It's such a lame comeback. 'You must live in Mom's basement''. Wow, how searing. Every dime of revenue raised through taxes is 'confiscatory'. I just want to go back and get all that revenue we missed due to our laughable taxation system. As for military spending, we spend more than double the combined budgets of the two countries you mentioned, so that argument is an epic fail.
just pure nonsense.
The problem was always China not Russia, but dumb ass Dems were too stupidly pushing the Russian hoax and missed it. Trump even campaigned on curbing China excesses.
The trade agreement has already "happened" - it's being done in phases because of the enormous repositioning
required ( can only bite off enough that can be chewed at one time)
Yawn. You are nothing but a lying, gender confused welfare collecting redneck.
a lot of that spending is wasted on NATO because we used NATO expansion as a way to bring eastern Europe into western economy.
We should have been going for detente' not confrontation with Russia. Same posture we had during Cold War 1.
Obama correctly started the "Russian reset" but Kerry's State dept undermined it (along with John McCain) by direct meddling in the Ukraine Euromaidan.
That caused the rise of Poroshenko,and he threatened the Russian lease @ Sevastopol -which forced Putin to annex Crimea to secure access to the Russian Black Sea fleet. which forced US sanctions, which forced Russia and China closer in a military alliance
Taxes are confiscatory, but excess taxation is a grab for wealth.
Do you think MORE REVENUE would mean that money would be used for the deficit?
Of course not -Congress spend any money it can get it grubby hands on and more
So why did they take it in the first place?
You mean Trump rushed through a program in the most sloppy way possible? Isn't that what he's been doing this whole time? He's the one who wanted no oversight. Would these businesses have given the money back without the news stories that revealed they took it in the first place? Doubtful.
Trump sent how many tons of PPE to China?
Where's that trade deal we were promised?
And the tariffs cost us $30B in vote buying bailouts for "farmer" trash.
Wait - you said last week that there wouldn't be any repositioning and that China would operate in good faith.
Repositioning isn't "good faith".
So you're just as full of shit now as you were when you made that stupid claim last week.
just like climbing a mountain "because it's there"
there are already oversight provisions built into the PPP - but is HAD to get rushed thru. Pelosi didn't helpit when she delayed this round by 1 days for her pet projects
Oh it has already happened, has it? Then why are you simultaneously saying that there will be a repositioning? That means it hasn't happened yet.
Toiling Trump's baggage ain't a great look for you now.
My definition of excessive and yours are apparently vastly different. My argument is theoretical, and assumes the policies could be implemented. I doubt your only argument here is 'they won't do it'. The cost of NATO is a pittance. Not even close to 1% of our military budget.
Ah, so they are inherently greedy and don't really give a shit about the economy.
Oversight thanks to Democrats, not you. Trump didn't want any oversight. And we saw that play out with those businesses grabbing as much PPP as they could. We warned you that is what would happen, but you were so adamant we spend money to stimulate the economy, which was going to shit before this.
It's the old Holmes quote, the right to punch ends at my nose. The eminent domain analogy leaves out the entire reason for what's happening with the pandemic is based on people dying.
That's a pretty damn good justification. Seldom do governments confiscate a home to stop disease spread, but would be fully justified in say, shutting down a business that caused disease.
Further, the OP is about beaches, and a public beach is not an industry, per se, although I concede people make businesses off that public good. (they should probably have to reimburse us all for that freebee)
Another point is that these government intrusions on our liberty interests are not intended to be permanent. And finally, they seem to be working.
FRankly I am to a degree arguing against my beliefs as I think a global pandemic is a subject that the federal government should naturally have key responsibility for making more
uniform decisions. But since it is happenstance that it is to the Orange criminal that this vast power presently befalls, I am more than happy to overlook principle this once and let governors decide ad hoc.
Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
How many beers have you had already today, drunkie?
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