On banning the Confederate Flag and Renaming Military Bases

[Micawber]

A lot more people died under the American flag than the Confederate flag.

Next the idiots will come for the American flag, and knoxk down George Washington statues.

600,000 dead in that war isn't small potatoes. Trump may surpass it with his covid war on the elderly.

 

[StoneByStone]

Churchill was easily in the top 6 most gruesome mass murderers of the 20th Century.

The Bengali Famine of 43, the Dresden Firebombing, , the Mau Mau internment camps, the Central European take over to appease Stalin at Yalta, Tehran & Potsdam conferences, etc. etc.

Just shows how history is written by the winners.

 

[Matt Dillon]

As usual you miss the point.

I wish your shill ass would get the point of one of their knives. You know they could kill you and get away with it, right?
82nd airborne? Absolutely could.
Nobody would dare touch that.
Trust me, I've had a lot of Ranger friends. They can kill you and get away with it.

 

[Mason Melchizedek]

Time for a cultural revolution. Black Americans need to kick the Democrats to the curb. All they have done in the liberal cities is fuck them in the ass for 50 years.

Typical Republican response

 

[Mason Melchizedek]

I wish your shill ass would get the point of one of their knives. You know they could kill you and get away with it, right?
82nd airborne? Absolutely could.
Nobody would dare touch that.
Trust me, I've had a lot of Ranger friends. They can kill you and get away with it.

Apollyon is undefeated
Your post is a typical,cowards response!
"I got tough friends"lol
The name Mason makes you wet your panties

 

[Mason Michaels]

Bullshit, you obviously have no idea of history. After the Civil War, Britain looked to other countries like India, Brazil, Turkey and Egypt as an alternative source for raw cotton due to the uncertainly of supply. That wouldn't have happened to anything like the same extent otherwise.

Nice try,the South was hardly in shape for growing,right after the war!

You said it yourself, "due to uncertain supply"
That's not what you said before,you said the British wouldn't buy because of slavery!
Double talk

 

[Mason Michaels]

That was then, it's all history now. The statues only mean something when idiots dwell on the past.

I bet if you were Black American,you would find,Confederate heroes offensive

 

[BattleofHodow]

600,000 dead in that war isn't small potatoes. Trump may surpass it with his covid war on the elderly.

Sure isn't, but if Confederates are "ONLY" responsible for the Civil War, then surely Truman was fully responsible for 4,000,000 - 6,000,000 dead in Korea, and LBJ 3,000,000 - 4,000,000 in Vietnam...

The facts remain, the Confederates are from being the most prolific of mass murderers.

 

[Mason Michaels]

the monuments are varied - the men honored did great battles.
On the other hand monuments to Jefferson Davis and to "the old south" should go

Bullshit,all Confederate's should have been hanged for treason

 

[BattleofHodow]

I bet if you were Black American,you would find,Confederate heroes offensive

I'm of Polish origins, lots of Poles died from Hitler, and Stalin, but I'm not too offended if people want to be idiots & show off their idiocy by saying they support them.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Bullshit,all Confederate's should have been hanged for treason

We'd be a better country without the South, anyways....

 

[Mason Michaels]

I'm of Polish origins, lots of Poles died from Hitler, and Stalin, but I'm not too offended if people want to be idiots & show off their idiocy by saying they support them.

These Conservatives claim to be American patriots and be Confederate sympathizers at the same time,waving the Confederate flag!

 

[Mason Michaels]

We'd be a better country without the South, anyways....

We should have listen to Sherman,confiscated all Confederate land,and resettled with Northern Farmers.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Actually they did that quite successfully during the Civil War and not after it. The Confederate cotton embargo was one of the dumbest mistakes the Confederacy made.

Yes agreed. However my point is that if the CSA had successfully seceded then Britain would have insisted that slavery was ended. This is not just a hypothetical either, as this is exactly what happened in Brazil. So why wouldn't the same scenario have played out in the South as well?

One of the main reasons for the abolition of slavery in Brazil was intense pressure from Britain, who were selflessly promoting the moral aspect, but also selfishly wanting to sell their Industrial Revolution machines to the 3rd world, and slaves were getting in the way of that. Of course that is never ever discussed in the US because as always the victor gets to write the history.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Nice try,the South was hardly in shape for growing,right after the war!

You said it yourself, "due to uncertain supply"
That's not what you said before,you said the British wouldn't buy because of slavery!
Double talk

See post 134, idiot!

 

[BattleofHodow]

This demonstrates why I wouldn’t dare to post this on social media. I knew my point would go over to many heads. That my comments that I concur with their removal would be missed.

My point is that being dismissive or anachronistic about our past history does not either help us understand how we got into this current situation nor does it help solving the problem. Eliminating these iconographies is an important step but it’s also Important that we not only remove these symbols of historical revisionism but understand how they came to be in the first place and this understanding can help guide us to more effective solutions to the problems of race in America.

The solution to prejudices isn't multiculturalism, it's instead separation.

People never get along very well, when there's competition, and differences rife.

If a country is homogenous then who's the victim of those prejudices? That's right, nobody.

Only really ignorant people don't grasp this truth.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

It's nice to hear from someone who is knowledgeable and bothers to make a point. I only have a single civil war text, Battlecry of Freedom by McPherson from
Princeton. I read about 2/3rds of it. So highly footnoted and those notes were interesting to track down but it made reading it good, but somewhat felt
like homework.

I am sure most people were not fighting for slavery except slaveholders. I imagine you buy into a cause once the guns are aimed at you and you are at risk of
losing whatever it is you think you possess. "Ours is not to wonder why ours is but to do and die"- Al Lord Tennyson

Best work on the Civil War I’ve read.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

The solution to prejudices isn't multiculturalism, it's instead separation.

People never get along very well, when there's competition, and differences rife.

If a country is homogenous then who's the victim of those prejudices? That's right, nobody.

Only really ignorant people don't grasp this truth.

Well I guess I’m living proof that you’re an ignorant bigot. I’ve been married to an amazing woman of another race for 15 years and they’ve been the best years of my life. I get along with her family extremely well and they have never been anything but caring, loving and respectful of me and my nieces have me wrapped around their little fingers. Not to mention my family absolutely adores my wife.

You sir strike me as a tragic and pathetic individual who lacks the imagination to see the world outside your pathetic little self defined envelope.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Not one of the books you listed were written after the turn of the century, and all were written by southerners who lived through the civil war. So naturally they would be pro south.
Next not one book was even mentioned in any history books used from 1900 and later.
Sorry sport your whole premise is a total lie.

But then that is all you do is lie to to prove your delusions.

The books by Freeman was written in the 1930’s. Jubal Early is the only writer I mentioned that fought in the Civil War and he was fired by Lee for incompetence. Most of the books that created the lost cause mythologies were written between 1880 and 1900 decades after the Civil War as were all the ones I cited except for Freeman’s which were published in the 1930’s.

All one needs to do to debunk the lost cause mythologies is to read the primary source documents written by Confederate leaders before and during the Civil War. So to call my comments lies is saying that the Confederate leaders of the Civil War were liars.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Yes agreed. However my point is that if the CSA had successfully seceded then Britain would have insisted that slavery was ended. This is not just a hypothetical either, as this is exactly what happened in Brazil. So why wouldn't the same scenario have played out in the South as well?

One of the main reasons for the abolition of slavery in Brazil was intense pressure from Britain, who were selflessly promoting the moral aspect, but also selfishly wanting to sell their Industrial Revolution machines to the 3rd world, and slaves were getting in the way of that. Of course that is never ever discussed in the US because as always the victor gets to write the history.

Tom...the reason Great Britain refused to recognize the Confederacy during the war was that the Confederates not only refused to abolish slavery they refused to even compromise on the issue.