Lebanon Front

Chapdog said:
not to be a wise ass but what should Israel do in your opinion? Today rockets were fired into north Israel hitting a retirement home. should they just accept that as part of life in there country? How does Israel stop missiles from being shot at them and suicide bombers from blowing up there markets?
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I guess the only option is genocide against others.
 
Chapdog said:
again.. what should Israel do? id seriously like to hear a logical course of action for them from the anti Israel camp.
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Stop the attack. Don't settle in areas where the homemade shit missiles can reach. yes. This would mean curtailing the zionist expansion of Israel's ethnic supremacist state.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Stop the attack. Don't settle in areas where the homemade shit missiles can reach. yes. This would mean curtailing the zionist expansion of Israel's ethnic supremacist state.
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for now the missiles can go over 22miles which is well into the border of Israel. within a year or two they will reach anywhere in the country.
 
charver said:
And Israel can carpet bomb cities if it likes but at some point, unless it really does fancy it's hand at all-out genocide, it will have to use ground troops. That's when Israeli soldiers die, Israeli populations get pissed, Israeli troops withdraw and Hamas or Hezbollah declare victory with another volley of home-made rockets into Israel.
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Israeli populations are pretty supportive of their wars. The one with Hezbollah last year was supported by something like 75% of Israelis at one point.

We cannot possibly imagine what it is like to be in their situation. If we faced constant invasion, rocket attacks, and suicide bombers with the regularity they do, even the most limp-wristed liberal would understand the necessity of retaliation.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207896,00.html
The percentage of people supporting a broad ground operation to push Hezbollah guerrillas beyond the range of short-range rockets fell to 64 percent from 73 percent, the poll said, indicating a growing public desire for diplomatic initiatives.
 
Epicurus said:
Israeli populations are pretty supportive of their wars. The one with Hezbollah last year was supported by something like 75% of Israelis at one point.

We cannot possibly imagine what it is like to be in their situation. If we faced constant invasion, rocket attacks, and suicide bombers with the regularity they do, even the most limp-wristed liberal would understand the necessity of retaliation.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207896,00.html
The percentage of people supporting a broad ground operation to push Hezbollah guerrillas beyond the range of short-range rockets fell to 64 percent from 73 percent, the poll said, indicating a growing public desire for diplomatic initiatives.
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Maybe. But we're not israel. you're suffering from what I call Noahide Identity Confusion, or NIC.
 
Epicurus said:
Israeli populations are pretty supportive of their wars. The one with Hezbollah last year was supported by something like 75% of Israelis at one point.

We cannot possibly imagine what it is like to be in their situation. If we faced constant invasion, rocket attacks, and suicide bombers with the regularity they do, even the most limp-wristed liberal would understand the necessity of retaliation.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207896,00.html
The percentage of people supporting a broad ground operation to push Hezbollah guerrillas beyond the range of short-range rockets fell to 64 percent from 73 percent, the poll said, indicating a growing public desire for diplomatic initiatives.
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FUCK the people.
 
Or Epi, since you have such great powers of imagination, imagine being corralled into a ghetto and then denied adequate supplies.
 
Watermark said:
FUCK the people.
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People don't have a "right" to do anything. War makes every action possible; in this case it makes the survival of Israel possible.

And from the other side, I understand why Israel is not particularly concerned about civilian casualties in Lebanon.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/p...astnafricara/236.php?nid=&id=&pnt=236&lb=brme

Most Lebanese—including majorities across all major religious groups—support Hezbollah in its conflict with Israel and distrust the United States as a mediator, according to a recent Lebanese poll.

Palestinians also overwhelmingly support both Hezbollah and the Hamas militants who captured an Israeli soldier last month, provoking Israeli attacks on Gaza. Israelis, meanwhile, believe their military should press its attacks against Hezbollah until the militia is either destroyed or pushed back from Lebanon’s southern border.

Eighty-seven percent of the Lebanese back Hezbollah’s response to “Israeli aggression,” the Beirut Center for Research and Information found in survey taken July 24-26. That included strong majorities in Lebanon’s four major religious groups: 96 percent of Shiites, 87 percent of Sunnis, 80 percent of Christians; and 80 percent of Druze
 
Chapdog said:
nope even with conventional weapons they could fight prob a 3 or 4 front war and win. Would not be first time they did that either if you know your history.
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Oh yeah sure .. especially given the masterful job they did in Lebabnon recently.

Israel fighting multiple wars at the same time means US TAXPAYERS WILL HAVE TO DIG DEEPER TO SUPPORT THE WELFARE STATE OF ISRAEL.

I'm sure there's lots of Americans anxious to do that.
 
Epicurus said:
People don't have a "right" to do anything. War makes every action possible; in this case it makes the survival of Israel possible.

And from the other side, I understand why Israel is not particularly concerned about civilian casualties in Lebanon.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/p...astnafricara/236.php?nid=&id=&pnt=236&lb=brme

Most Lebanese—including majorities across all major religious groups—support Hezbollah in its conflict with Israel and distrust the United States as a mediator, according to a recent Lebanese poll.

Palestinians also overwhelmingly support both Hezbollah and the Hamas militants who captured an Israeli soldier last month, provoking Israeli attacks on Gaza. Israelis, meanwhile, believe their military should press its attacks against Hezbollah until the militia is either destroyed or pushed back from Lebanon’s southern border.

Eighty-seven percent of the Lebanese back Hezbollah’s response to “Israeli aggression,” the Beirut Center for Research and Information found in survey taken July 24-26. That included strong majorities in Lebanon’s four major religious groups: 96 percent of Shiites, 87 percent of Sunnis, 80 percent of Christians; and 80 percent of Druze
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And I understand why the leaders of Israel should be detained and stand for trial at the international court, and be imprisoned for life.
 
Watermark said:
And I understand why the leaders of Israel should be detained and stand for trial at the international court, and be imprisoned for life.
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Ummk. The Hague is a sham. There is no such thing as "international law". You will discover that when China and India become superpowers. "International law" is made possible and meaningful only when the country with the biggest guns allows it to be. As soon as its defender loses its place as world superpower, the next great power might not be so inclined toward the idea. All of the idealistic views you like to espouse are made possible by centuries and centuries of war and bloodshed that fought for your right to espouse naive bullshit. War decides the course of history.
 
Epicurus said:
Ummk. The Hague is a sham. There is no such thing as "international law". You will discover that when China and India become superpowers. "International law" is made possible and meaningful only when the country with the biggest guns allows it to be. As soon as its defender loses its place as world superpower, the next great power might not be so inclined toward the idea. All of the idealistic views you like to espouse are made possible by centuries and centuries of war and bloodshed that fought for your right to espouse naive bullshit. War decides the course of history.
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And we have input into what our nation spends resources to fight for.

Most of us have had enough of jewish racist bullshit. You lap it up for some odd reason.
 
Epicurus said:
Israeli populations are pretty supportive of their wars. The one with Hezbollah last year was supported by something like 75% of Israelis at one point.

We cannot possibly imagine what it is like to be in their situation. If we faced constant invasion, rocket attacks, and suicide bombers with the regularity they do, even the most limp-wristed liberal would understand the necessity of retaliation.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207896,00.html
The percentage of people supporting a broad ground operation to push Hezbollah guerrillas beyond the range of short-range rockets fell to 64 percent from 73 percent, the poll said, indicating a growing public desire for diplomatic initiatives.
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It is often the case that Israeli public opinion comes out in favour of "strong action" and if that involves air strikes, etc then that public support tends to hold up. As soon as ground forces are involved support, in virtually any war, will decrease. Given the disaster of Lebanon and the extrication of Israeli troops from the West Bank and Gaza i heavily doubt there is any stomach, amongst the Israelis, to reoccupy that territory.

As an example a recent poll showed a 70% approval rating for air strikes but only 20% supportive of ground assault. The memories of past battles will not go away and a blind retaliation will offer only some kind of "revenge" in the short term and nothing to the Israelis in the medium to long term. Bottom line is they want to stop the rockets and this action is only going to increase the numbers of Israeli dead.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1051852.html
(a small survey but probably an accurate reflection of opinion by and large)
 
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