Obama Called ''Best Gun Salesman of the Year''

blackascoal said:
There are all kinds of laws that protect you from yourself brother.

Keep in mind that I'm a socialist. I don't see things purely through the prism of what's best for me and I don't hold the individual above society.
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And it is simplistic to say that I hold the individual above society. I believe that society is best served by protecting the rights of the minority and increasing individual freedom and responsibility (nearly synonymous terms). I believe that a free society is and always will be the best and will continue to work towards such a society. Even if it means the occasional danger must be faced that otherwise could have been avoided if we just "took <insert product here>" away from everybody.

Seriously I don't believe all guns should be taken either .. but there is obviously a problem with the proliferation of guns in this society.

I've never owned a gun, never needed it to feel safe .. and I live in Atlanta .. grew up in Detroit.

I rmemeber about 30 yaers ago there was a guy who lived next door to me who liked just like a black Burt Reynolds. He was the spitting image of Burt .. 'cept he was black. He was a police officer.

One Saturday morning I heard a loud gunshot coming from next door .. he had just accidentially killed his 5 year old daughter when his gun went off while cleaning it. He was devastated .. two days later he killed himself.
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Yup. Just as devastated as the father who created a water garden for his wife and his daughter drowned. Or the guy who had a swimming pool installed and the same thing happened...

I had a cousin named Mickey, and the only reason Mickey is dead is because there was a gun in his house. His wife and he were arguing, she ran in the bedroom and got the gun .. Mickey is dead. No gun in the house and Mickey is still alive.

Marvin Gaye is dead only because there was a gun in the house. His father and he argued, his father got the gun .. Marvin is dead. No gun in the house and Marvin is still alive.
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And making it so that nobody can buy a gun means that everybody will live? Rubbish. There was no fireplace poker? There was no knife? There was no other weapon that could have created as much havoc?

I could go on, but I'm sure you get why I have no affinity for guns.

A dog will keep you safer in your home than a gun will.

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The force is with me .. and I ain't worried about criminals stopping by.
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Nor am I. I am worried about our capacity to fight against an overbearing government. And pretending that the military should scare me into submission by using the "you can't fight a tank" argument is also rubbish.

I could go on and on as well, but I am not against water. More people die in car crashes than ever will die by firearms in the house. I am not against cars either.
 
Darla said:
Let's start giving them away as a gift-with-purchase on items like, diapers for adults, gay porn, and snuff films.

That should weed out quite a few of them.
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During the primaries, anyone who picks up a libertarian, constitution, or republican ballot should be given the handgun best suited to the purpose of suicide.
 
blackascoal said:
In "used" I meant fired.

No such ambiguity on the statistics of guns in homes which makes the occupants much more likely to suicide, accidents, and murder..
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If I point a gun at you and tell you that I will shoot you if you continue your chosen course of action and you stop, I have successfully USED that weapon to deter a crime. Just because you want to classify the actual shooting of a weapon as USED does not make it so and it is intellectually dishonest. Every time a cop pulls her weapon and points it at someone she has to justify its passive USE.
 
Socrtease said:
If I point a gun at you and tell you that I will shoot you if you continue your chosen course of action and you stop, I have successfully USED that weapon to deter a crime. Just because you want to classify the actual shooting of a weapon as USED does not make it so and it is intellectually dishonest. Every time a cop pulls her weapon and points it at someone she has to justify its passive USE.
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If you put said gun on eBay, you could list it as new and unused. That's the point. It hasn't shown any signs of usage.
 
ib1yysguy said:
If you put said gun on eBay, you could list it as new and unused. That's the point. It hasn't shown any signs of usage.
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No you couldn't. You could list it as unfired, but not unused. It would show wear from the holster and from cleaning.

Of course the officer who pointed the gun will have fired it at the range and cleaned it as well, etc.

Former LE weapons are sold exactly as that at gun shops all across the nation.
 
Socrtease said:
If I point a gun at you and tell you that I will shoot you if you continue your chosen course of action and you stop, I have successfully USED that weapon to deter a crime. Just because you want to classify the actual shooting of a weapon as USED does not make it so and it is intellectually dishonest. Every time a cop pulls her weapon and points it at someone she has to justify its passive USE.
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It would be more effective to display the lives saveable by banning guns vs. lives saved with guns than comparing lives saveable by banning guns to total crimes "deterred" by guns, since even one death matters infinitely over deterring a shoplifting or a simple burglary.
 
Fap said:
It would be more effective to display the lives saveable by banning guns vs. lives saved with guns than comparing lives saveable by banning guns to total crimes "deterred" by guns, since even one death matters infinitely over deterring a shoplifting or a simple burglary.
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so the strong preying on the weak, women being raped numerous times, old ladies being beaten for the SS checks, a-ok with you just so long as nobody kills any of the criminals. gotcha.
 
Socrtease said:
If I point a gun at you and tell you that I will shoot you if you continue your chosen course of action and you stop, I have successfully USED that weapon to deter a crime. Just because you want to classify the actual shooting of a weapon as USED does not make it so and it is intellectually dishonest. Every time a cop pulls her weapon and points it at someone she has to justify its passive USE.
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If you point a gun and me and I continue, or disarm you, point to those statistics. Your statistics say nothing about outcomes.

Bungled into your statistics about the "use" of firearms is use by law enforcement. That hardly makes a point about its use by civilians. No such ambiguity on guns that are fired .. only TWO PERCENT in use for self-defense.

As I said, there is no ambiguity on statistics on guns in the home.

People are free to protect themselves in any manner they choose, but guns don't make society safer.
 
Socrtease said:
If I point a gun at you and tell you that I will shoot you if you continue your chosen course of action and you stop, I have successfully USED that weapon to deter a crime. Just because you want to classify the actual shooting of a weapon as USED does not make it so and it is intellectually dishonest. Every time a cop pulls her weapon and points it at someone she has to justify its passive USE.
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Not if I was not intending to commit a crime or in the process of comitting a crime.
Many guns are pointed at people that are not comitting a crime. That is the main problem with guns/people with guns.
Or using a gun on someone for a relatively minor crime.
Ie a guy in the next county shot a kid for the kid throwing a rock at his dog.
Luckially the kid lived. The shooter got 18 months and many years probation plus lost his house to pay legal expenses.
 
Damocles said:
And it is simplistic to say that I hold the individual above society. I believe that society is best served by protecting the rights of the minority and increasing individual freedom and responsibility (nearly synonymous terms). I believe that a free society is and always will be the best and will continue to work towards such a society. Even if it means the occasional danger must be faced that otherwise could have been avoided if we just "took <insert product here>" away from everybody.



Yup. Just as devastated as the father who created a water garden for his wife and his daughter drowned. Or the guy who had a swimming pool installed and the same thing happened...



And making it so that nobody can buy a gun means that everybody will live? Rubbish. There was no fireplace poker? There was no knife? There was no other weapon that could have created as much havoc?



Nor am I. I am worried about our capacity to fight against an overbearing government. And pretending that the military should scare me into submission by using the "you can't fight a tank" argument is also rubbish.

I could go on and on as well, but I am not against water. More people die in car crashes than ever will die by firearms in the house. I am not against cars either.
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Why do you keep repeating the noinsense that I want to take everybody's gun? BUY AS MANY GUNS AS YOU LIKE.

I recognize that I live in LaLaland and Americans are shaped by Hollywood. We have gun orgasms. It makes no sense to fight against our idiotic love of guns .. so have at them .. I don't care, particularly when so many gun owners are killing themselves.

And if you believe your six-shooter is going to stop the government from doing whatever it wants ...

:cof1:

... get real.

Perhaps you can clip a few british soldiers while you're at it. :)

Keep a horse at the ready .. never know ..
 
SmarterThanYou said:
guess you ignored all of those cop shooting dog stories over the last year. You keep your dog, my gun works much better.
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:)

Sure .. your gun will tell you when there's someone outside your house who doesn't belong there.

When you're not home, don't worry, your gun will shoot an intruder all by itself.

Criminals who break and enter break into homes with guns in them, all day long, including homes with people with guns in the home. I don't have that problem.

Not the least bit concerned about a cop shooting my dog .. or a criminal either ... many of whom would rather face a gun than a serious dog.

AND .. I don't have to worry about him accidentially going off and killing my wife or daughter.
 
blackascoal said:
:)

Sure .. your gun will tell you when there's someone outside your house who doesn't belong there.
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actually, the only use to have a dog. this i'll agree on.

blackascoal said:
When you're not home, don't worry, your gun will shoot an intruder all by itself.

Criminals who break and enter break into homes with guns in them, all day long, including homes with people with guns in the home. I don't have that problem.
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if they are smart enough to break in when i'm not home, then they are no threat to my wife or family. my gun goes with me everywhere, so it's never home alone. My gun is seriously co-dependent. I'm thinking of getting it some therapy.

blackascoal said:
Not the least bit concerned about a cop shooting my dog .. or a criminal either ... many of whom would rather face a gun than a serious dog.
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proof of that? because all the studies i've read dictate that the criminal is mostly afraid of armed homeowners.

blackascoal said:
AND .. I don't have to worry about him accidentially going off and killing my wife or daughter.
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yeah, THAT never happens. :rolleyes:
 
SmarterThanYou said:
actually, the only use to have a dog. this i'll agree on.
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There are far more uses than you'd care to acknowledge.

if they are smart enough to break in when i'm not home, then they are no threat to my wife or family. my gun goes with me everywhere, so it's never home alone. My gun is seriously co-dependent. I'm thinking of getting it some therapy.
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Might work for you, but my home is filled with expensive irreplaceable art and artwork, as well as many other irraplaceable valuables. No amount of insurance money can replace their value to me and my family. .. AND, my wife and daughter don't have to worry about anyone being inside the house when they come home .. AND, when I leave town on business, I can rest in peace that my family is protected. My wife with a gun .. and everybody is in danger .. including her.

I take a gun nowhere, never owned one. I am my own weapon .. backed up by the force.

proof of that? because all the studies i've read dictate that the criminal is mostly afraid of armed homeowners.
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I'm sure there are no statistics on that .. but I've worked with several police departments on dog protection training and this is something many police officers will tell you. There is something about the thought of a well-trained dog tearing into your flesh viciously that tends to give criminals pause. I've had many officers tell me that when the dog unit shows up even the most aggressive perps will calm down and comply.

yeah, THAT never happens. :rolleyes:
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You finally got something right .. it never happens. Well trained dogs never go off and kill their masters. I've been into dogs for almost 40 years .. never happened to anyone I know an without the slightest question, my dog is safer than your gun .. and more useful .. like saving my life last year when I collapsed from a stroke.

See if your gun can top that.
 
blackascoal said:
Why do you keep repeating the noinsense that I want to take everybody's gun? BUY AS MANY GUNS AS YOU LIKE.

I recognize that I live in LaLaland and Americans are shaped by Hollywood. We have gun orgasms. It makes no sense to fight against our idiotic love of guns .. so have at them .. I don't care, particularly when so many gun owners are killing themselves.

And if you believe your six-shooter is going to stop the government from doing whatever it wants ...

:cof1:

... get real.

Perhaps you can clip a few british soldiers while you're at it. :)

Keep a horse at the ready .. never know ..
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Foolish. There are reasons that sometimes there are riots in the US. Can it possibly be the government is not the beneficent perfection you believe it will suddenly and magically become?

The government is not the source of your freedom and the more people "helped" by the government is not the measure of "success" either.

I think you do live in Lalaland, one that is based on a government that can't exist that is magically perfect.

Get real yourself. If people with poop and some knowledge can make a bomb, there can and will be effective resistance. The gun would be just one tool used by people who fought for a cause they would believe in.
 
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