Obama Called ''Best Gun Salesman of the Year''

[SmarterthanYou]

There are far more uses than you'd care to acknowledge.

ok. mine likes to wash the dishes too, but it's still unsanitary.

My wife with a gun .. and everybody is in danger .. including her.

you win that one.

I'm sure there are no statistics on that .. but I've worked with several police departments on dog protection training and this is something many police officers will tell you. There is something about the thought of a well-trained dog tearing into your flesh viciously that tends to give criminals pause. I've had many officers tell me that when the dog unit shows up even the most aggressive perps will calm down and comply.

just goes to show, criminals are cowards at heart. I've had to beat off big ass dogs before (happens growing up with gramps' hunting dogs), no big deal.

You finally got something right .. it never happens. Well trained dogs never go off and kill their masters. I've been into dogs for almost 40 years .. never happened to anyone I know an without the slightest question, my dog is safer than your gun .. and more useful .. like saving my life last year when I collapsed from a stroke.

then all those stories of mauled children..........delusions? Fido the family mastiff doesn't really exist? I've been around dogs most of my life as well, been bitten quite a few times. I'll trust an inanimate object to never bite me than a living animal to obey me all the time, no matter how sweet and faithful they have been in the past.

See if your gun can top that.[/QUOTE]

 

[blackascoal]

ok. mine likes to wash the dishes too, but it's still unsanitary.

you win that one.

just goes to show, criminals are cowards at heart. I've had to beat off big ass dogs before (happens growing up with gramps' hunting dogs), no big deal.

Criminals are cowards, no argument there .. however, guaranteed, you have not had to beat off a well-trained dog, particularly a Bouvier. Hunting dogs hunt, trained protection dogs don't bite, they hold and crush. Just for giggles, go to your local police department and ask to put on the sleeve to catch a dog .. then get ready for a fight that will feel as though your arm is being ripped from its socket .. and you'll find that the more you fight, the more the dog will crush down on your arm, and a man-dog (seriously tough) will crush through the sleeve and leave bruises on your arm. Then imagine you fighting this dog without the sleeve. For even more fun, ask to catch the dog off-lead while you run away. By the time the dog hits you it will be travelling about 100 miles an hour seemingly, and intent on bringing you down .. but whatever you do, don't fall down. You'll expose your face.

It's a whole 'nother world from gramps hunting dogs I assure you.

then all those stories of mauled children..........delusions? Fido the family mastiff doesn't really exist? I've been around dogs most of my life as well, been bitten quite a few times. I'll trust an inanimate object to never bite me than a living animal to obey me all the time, no matter how sweet and faithful they have been in the past.

Dogs that maul children are dogs that have not been trained nor socialized and usually the children they maul are not the children they live with. Pits are ususally the culprits, but that's only because they have not been trained. In 40 years of working with dogs I have NEVER heard of a well-trained dog turning on its master or the children of its master.

You go ahead and trust that inanimate object .. I'll keep my trust in one of the most special relationships that humans could ever have with a non-human being.

Finally, do you remember Richard Rameriez, the Night Stalker in LA? I was living in Los Angeles during his year-long killing and rape reign of terror. His MO was that he would break into homes at night while people were asleep, then kill and rape the occupants. Because he broke in at night he often attacked and killed couples ..
Vincent and Maxine Zazzara
William and Lillian Doi
Malvia Keller and Blanche Wolfe
Mary Louise Cannon
Lela and Max Kneiding
Christopher and Virginia Petersen
Elyas and Sakina Abowath
Peter and Barbara Pan
William Carns and his fiancée

Sometimes he just found a single victim ..
Jennie Vincow
Tsia-Lian Yu
Ruth Wilson
Mary Louise Cannon
Whitney Bennett
Joyce Lucille Nelson

All were attacked in their homes at night.

Once people knew there was a serial killer loose, many ran out and bought guns. Elyas Abowath bought a gun and slept with it under his pillow .. Ramirez killed him with the same gun .. then he raped his wife before killing her. Point being, in nine of the homes he broke into, the owners had guns ... nobody had a dog .. not even a small dog. You cannot sneak up on a dog, not even a small one. You do not need a large protection dog for the dog to help keep you safe.

He was finally caught by a group of UNARMED hispanics after he was recognized. They ran him down and beat the shit out of his ass before the police got there to save him.

This isn't just for you but anyone who reads this .. get yourself a dog .. even if it's just a little one.

 

[leaningright]

Point being, in nine of the homes he broke into, the owners had guns ... nobody had a dog .. not even a small dog. You cannot sneak up on a dog, not even a small one One does not need a large protection dog for the dog to help keep you safe.

This isn't just for you but anyone who reads this .. get yourself a dog .. even if it's just a little one.

That's why I have both......dogs (note the plural) and guns (also note the plural). I have used a gun in self defense before and also have used one to detain a thief. My dogs have alerted me to people on my property.....thankfully I have never experienced a break-in, but the dogs would let me know for sure.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

BAC, I've already agreed that a dog is a great alarm system, that's why I have two of them. I'll disagree with your contention that trained police dogs are any different than my gramps hunting dogs when it comes to the biting. But you'll believe what you want, i'll believe what I do. no matter to me.

 

[Cancel7]

Am I the only person who doesn't feel as if someone is going to break into my home while I am sleeping? It's not something I even think about.

 

[leaningright]

Am I the only person who doesn't feel as if someone is going to break into my home while I am sleeping? It's not something I even think about.

I only think about it now because I have a wife and a kid who depend on me. When I got married my perspective about home protection changed...when we had a child it really changed.

 

[charver]

That's why I have both......dogs (note the plural) and guns (also note the plural). I have used a gun in self defense before and also have used one to detain a thief. My dogs have alerted me to people on my property.....thankfully I have never experienced a break-in, but the dogs would let me know for sure.

To be on the safe side can i suggest taking the extra precaution of arming the dogs, perhaps using some kind of basic bite and fire technology?

I have seen the future and it is a Doberman (wearing a hat, obviously) with a Derringer.

 

[Cancel7]

To be on the safe side can i suggest taking the extra precaution of arming the dogs, perhaps using some kind of basic bite and fire technology?

I have seen the future and it is a Doberman (wearing a hat, obviously) with a Derringer.

LMAO

 

[Cancel7]

I only think about it now because I have a wife and a kid who depend on me. When I got married my perspective about home protection changed...when we had a child it really changed.

Ok, well I don't know if I would feel differently if I had a wife and a child, so I can't say. And I'm not judging, I am just wondering if everyone worries about this happening.

 

[leaningright]

Ok, well I don't know if I would feel differently if I had a wife and a child, so I can't say. And I'm not judging, I am just wondering if everyone worries about this happening.

It is not so much a "worry." It is more along the lines of being prepared. It is kind of like retirement to me. Some folks worry so much that I swear they must take 10 years off their life. My philosophy is to do what you can to prepare and then handle it when you get there.

I knew you weren't being judgmental. I was just trying to give a perspective on things that I hadn't even thought of until I got married. I didn't even lock the doors of my house before I got married. Never had a problem or even thought about there being one. The chances of a crime taking place in my home are extrememly slim. There has only been one break in in houses around here in the past 35 years....and that was by some nut who had escaped from prison.

But law enforcement is at least 40 minutes away though so preparedness is a necessity IMO.

 

[blackascoal]

Foolish. There are reasons that sometimes there are riots in the US. Can it possibly be the government is not the beneficent perfection you believe it will suddenly and magically become?

The government is not the source of your freedom and the more people "helped" by the government is not the measure of "success" either.

I think you do live in Lalaland, one that is based on a government that can't exist that is magically perfect.

Get real yourself. If people with poop and some knowledge can make a bomb, there can and will be effective resistance. The gun would be just one tool used by people who fought for a cause they would believe in.

Brother please .. save the libertarian speech for the neophytes.

"There are reasons that sometimes there are riots in the US" .. Ya' think.

Here's a clue .. I'm from Detroit, lived the sixties.

I am accutely aware of the necessity for riots and well aware of the pros and cons and limitations of government. But you're delusional my brother if you think your "freedom" is hanging on the end of your six-shooter. Your freedom and your survival are dependent on your intellect, wisdom, and courage. Your gun is your placebo that makes you feel better, less weak, more empowered. That was not to suggest that you are weak, but perhaps insecure.

Honestly, I find the whole gun-orgasm thing to be more than just a bit immature and unevolved. American men and guns .. and God. That shit is funny as fuck to me. I know you don't share my perspective, I'm just being honest about mine. Cowboys and Indians .. and Jesus.

I don't have to speculate about armed resistance to oppression, I've seen it first hand. I remember my brother and I walking down Davison Ave. the evening of the 3rd day of the 1967 riot and watching a national guard tank driving down the street. As it approached Woodrow Wilson we watched the turrent start to turn towards the left. It stopped in the middle of the street and to our absolute shock, fired a round into the apartment building across the street. The claim was the soldiers saw the flash of a weapon being fired .. as it turned out it was a man who was looking out his window while lighting a cigarette. I remember the resistance, the good and the bad. It was necessary resistance.

Point being brother, I don't need nebulous libertarian concepts of "freedom" or "liberty" or "government." None of your concepts of freedom apply to me. The police constantly shoot unarmed black men in the back and get away with murder. You don't live in that world.

The war on drugs is a war on black people .. and you don't live in that world either. Collective survival for the people who do live in that world is dependent on a lot of factors, but guns in not one of them. In fact, guns only makes you a victim in that world. You can walk around in store bought military gung fucking ho gear all dressed up with nowhere to go packing all the guns you want .. and call yourself a militia. Any idea of the outcome of a bunch of black men walking around armed to the teeth?

Even in your world, I have three words for you .. Ruby Ridge, Waco.

"Someone can build a bomb?" .. C'mon .. maybe the tooth fairy is packin' and will lead the resistance to victory.

Your freedom does not come from your gun and your gun cannot preserve it. Your intellect, wisdom, and courage can.

 

[blackascoal]

That's why I have both......dogs (note the plural) and guns (also note the plural). I have used a gun in self defense before and also have used one to detain a thief. My dogs have alerted me to people on my property.....thankfully I have never experienced a break-in, but the dogs would let me know for sure.

Can't argue with that .. and because of your dogs, not your guns, you probably never will experience a break-in.

 

[blackascoal]

BAC, I've already agreed that a dog is a great alarm system, that's why I have two of them. I'll disagree with your contention that trained police dogs are any different than my gramps hunting dogs when it comes to the biting. But you'll believe what you want, i'll believe what I do. no matter to me.

Not trying to argue with you brother .. just give my perspective and long history of working with dogs. Trained dogs don't bite, they lock. Big difference in the two.

 

[blackascoal]

Am I the only person who doesn't feel as if someone is going to break into my home while I am sleeping? It's not something I even think about.

I hope I haven't caused any undue fear .. but I tell everybody I care about to get a dog. The relationship alone makes you healthier. Plus, after my own dog saved my life I feel it's like a mission.

 

[Damocles]

Brother please .. save the libertarian speech for the neophytes.

"There are reasons that sometimes there are riots in the US" .. Ya' think.

Here's a clue .. I'm from Detroit, lived the sixties.

I am accutely aware of the necessity for riots and well aware of the pros and cons and limitations of government. But you're delusional my brother if you think your "freedom" is hanging on the end of your six-shooter. Your freedom and your survival are dependent on your intellect, wisdom, and courage. Your gun is your placebo that makes you feel better, less weak, more empowered. That was not to suggest that you are weak, but perhaps insecure.

Again you are inanely dismissive without comprehension, you are assuming a centrality to this that isn't there. I have never stated that my freedom is hanging on this right. I have stated that this is just another right that men are willing to eschew in the name of security and that I would prefer the problems that come with freedom rather than the invasion of a government that is not beneficent to save me from myself.

Pretending it is such a simplistic argument can be saved, as you say, for the neophytes.

Honestly, I find the whole gun-orgasm thing to be more than just a bit immature and unevolved. American men and guns .. and God. That shit is funny as fuck to me. I know you don't share my perspective, I'm just being honest about mine. Cowboys and Indians .. and Jesus.

I don't have to speculate about armed resistance to oppression, I've seen it first hand. I remember my brother and I walking down Davison Ave. the evening of the 3rd day of the 1967 riot and watching a national guard tank driving down the street. As it approached Woodrow Wilson we watched the turrent start to turn towards the left. It stopped in the middle of the street and to our absolute shock, fired a round into the apartment building across the street. The claim was the soldiers saw the flash of a weapon being fired .. as it turned out it was a man who was looking out his window while lighting a cigarette. I remember the resistance, the good and the bad. It was necessary resistance.

Again, this is weak. I am always astounded when I see people who believe they are oppressed by government want government to step in constantly, believe that giving up freedom in the name of security will somehow make the government less oppressive.

This is just another one of those ideas that seems to get people into the frame of mind that government is a solution to all that ails man. Government is a tool, and it should be used properly. It seems that some people believe that the same tool used to oppress them is the only proper tool to do the opposite, and I find that astoundingly simplistic and utterly foolish. If you give the government the power to oppress others in the name of "security" it does nothing to remove the oppression already there.

Point being brother, I don't need nebulous libertarian concepts of "freedom" or "liberty" or "government." None of your concepts of freedom apply to me. The police constantly shoot unarmed black men in the back and get away with murder. You don't live in that world.

Yet I do live in that world, and I believe that giving the government that supports that still more power is not only a poor solution, it is equivalent to using a hammer to shape glass.

The war on drugs is a war on black people .. and you don't live in that world either. Collective survival for the people who do live in that world is dependent on a lot of factors, but guns in not one of them. In fact, guns only makes you a victim in that world. You can walk around in store bought military gung fucking ho gear all dressed up with nowhere to go packing all the guns you want .. and call yourself a militia. Any idea of the outcome of a bunch of black men walking around armed to the teeth?

Again. I do live in this world, even if you want to pretend that my argument to stop putting people in prison to fight a losing "War on Drugs" wouldn't change that particular reality or isn't aimed toward the ending of punishing people for simply being people.

I grow tired of people saying, "You just don't live there so you can't know."

It's plain idiotic self-aggrandizing rubbish. I may never know what it is like to have a child come from a womb, but I can certainly understand that it hurts without having to experience it. I may never experience somebody looking down on me because I am black, but I can certainly understand that it is unjustified and that it hurts. It could be possible that I've had somebody look down on me because of my "race" but then you couldn't possibly know that, you just assume that I am somehow comfortable in a place that I could never be found except as a prisoner.

Even in your world, I have three words for you .. Ruby Ridge, Waco.

"Someone can build a bomb?" .. C'mon .. maybe the tooth fairy is packin' and will lead the resistance to victory.

Your freedom does not come from your gun and your gun cannot preserve it. Your intellect, wisdom, and courage can.

Even in your world? You think Ruby Ridge is my world? Really?

Just astounding. Simply and utterly astounding. You are so wrong I don't even know where to start. One thing that I know, even the most intelligent can still be oppressed and ruled by government when it is wielded in a way that government becomes the "giver of rights". That is a recipe for elitism and oppression all you have to add is the power and a bit of fear.

The main reason I like to protect Rights and Freedoms, even ones that people want to give up because they are "unsafe", is the truism:

An ounce of prevention beats a pound of cure.

 

[leaningright]

Can't argue with that .. and because of your dogs, not your guns, you probably never will experience a break-in.

Precisely true. But if someone were to get past the dogs, I will have been alerted and will be in a better position to defend myself and my family if need be.....with the gun of my choice. Believe me, I have lots of choices.

Guns are not the reason for my freedom, they are the result of my freedom. I have abided by the laws of this state and this country and have the freedom to purchase weapons for sport, recreation and/or protection. That freedom is what I don't want to see taken away or changed.

 

[leaningright]

I hope I haven't caused any undue fear .. but I tell everybody I care about to get a dog. The relationship alone makes you healthier. Plus, after my own dog saved my life I feel it's like a mission.

I have to agree with you here. Dogs are great companions and alerters/protectors and I'll never be without them.

 

[blackascoal]

Precisely true. But if someone were to get past the dogs, I will have been alerted and will be in a better position to defend myself and my family if need be.....with the gun of my choice. Believe me, I have lots of choices.

Guns are not the reason for my freedom, they are the result of my freedom. I have abided by the laws of this state and this country and have the freedom to purchase weapons for sport, recreation and/or protection. That freedom is what I don't want to see taken away or changed.

Surprise in the criminals best weapon. After your dogs sound the alarm, few if any, are going to still try to get in, particularly not knowing if you have a gun and not knowing if 9/11 has been dialed. That's why even little dogs work.

I can't argue with you about your guns either and my argument has never been that all guns should be taken from law-abiding citizens. But the proliferation of guns do indeed pose considerable risks to the gun owner, his family, and society. That should be considered when regulating what is in societies best interest.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Am I the only person who doesn't feel as if someone is going to break into my home while I am sleeping? It's not something I even think about.

thats because you have your head in the sand. I'm sure there are plenty of women out there that thought the same thing, until it was too late to change it.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Your freedom does not come from your gun and your gun cannot preserve it. Your intellect, wisdom, and courage can.

what a bunch of anti gun hack bullshit. I say you haven't learned a thing from history, even from your direct experience with it. The tank you saw....what did it do? how is THAT not called POWER FROM THE BARREL????????

All political bodies and leaders KNOW, all power comes from the barrel and that is exactly why political bodies and leaders make attempts to limit or deny arms to the people. Only a free and sovereign people with arms can maintain their freedom from a oppressive government.