Killers love guns

[leaningright]

Well Sol, I see you have been carrying the torch well with these folks. No one understands heritage anymore. It is hard to teach someone who doesn't want to be taught. As I am currently thawing some deer meat (venison for some of the more enlightened) to fry tonight, especially after reading this post I remember the exact time and circumstances where I took this deer with a muzzleloader. A wonderful shot placed just right, taken after I spent a couple of hours watching various forms of wildlife from where I was sitting. The shot wasn't the best part of the day, but it was a necessary part of the day. People simply don't understand that. Some simply don't want to.

 

[Damocles]

DNC:

why are you fearful of guns?

He fears a lot of things that don't usually happen to people, apparently we're all going to get murdered, by guns. Which also apparently walk around by themselves and do damage, like SUVs...

 

[Lowaicue]

And if, in pursuance of your rights you violate mine ?
What a strange obsession. Perhaps you should get a job manning a lighthouse.
Rights oh boy, that's the trendy thing to say in the US? Rights my arse. You have no rights save what other people allow you by their behaviour. You live in a society where all deserve human respect, where the rights of that society transcend, by light years, the 'rights' of the individual.
If you don't agree with that, you are in danger of being classed as an American.... hush mah meouth, what am ah a-sayin'?

I don't know if I'm average. I don't hunt. I do know that if someone tries to violate my rights, I will respond apprpriately.

 

[Lowaicue]

Not all Americans find pleasure in killing things. Gun owners do not buy guns to hang on Christmas trees. They are designed for killing, they are bought for killing by people who like to kill or by people who think they might get killed.
Bloody sad.

Your generalizations about americans is ridiculous. Perhaps you could try harder to lump us all into a single stereotype.

It makes it easier to ridicule and boosts your ability to think you are superior.

 

[Cancel3]

Not all Americans find pleasure in killing things. Gun owners do not buy guns to hang on Christmas trees. They are designed for killing, they are bought for killing by people who like to kill or by people who think they might get killed.
Bloody sad.

Or they are bought by people who enjoy skeet shooting. Or they are bought by people who enjoy target shooting. Or they are bought by people who enjoy plinking.

I could introduce you to at least a few dozen people who own guns, enjoy shooting guns, and have never aimed a gun at a living thing.



Generalizations and stereotypes...bloody sad.

 

[Cancel3]

And if, in pursuance of your rights you violate mine ?
What a strange obsession. Perhaps you should get a job manning a lighthouse.
Rights oh boy, that's the trendy thing to say in the US? Rights my arse. You have no rights save what other people allow you by their behaviour. You live in a society where all deserve human respect, where the rights of that society transcend, by light years, the 'rights' of the individual.
If you don't agree with that, you are in danger of being classed as an American.... hush mah meouth, what am ah a-sayin'?

First of all, the rights of which he speaks are spelled out in the US Constitution. Which our society has accepted as the law of the land.

If in pursuance of his rights he violates yours, then he is in the wrong. But his ownership of guns is not a violation of your rights.

The rights of the society are not more important than the rights of the individual. The individual rights are the only rights that matter. Society is a group of individuals. Individuals are the greatest minority.

If the rights of the individual do not matter, then the society has no freedoms. Because the society is nothing more than a collection of individuals.

 

[leaningright]

Not all Americans find pleasure in killing things. Gun owners do not buy guns to hang on Christmas trees. They are designed for killing, they are bought for killing by people who like to kill or by people who think they might get killed.
Bloody sad.

Absolutely false. Target shooting, skeet shooting, plinking. Some guns are owned by people because they are nothing more than keepsakes to folks.

 

[Cancel3]

Well Sol, I see you have been carrying the torch well with these folks. No one understands heritage anymore. It is hard to teach someone who doesn't want to be taught. As I am currently thawing some deer meat (venison for some of the more enlightened) to fry tonight, especially after reading this post I remember the exact time and circumstances where I took this deer with a muzzleloader. A wonderful shot placed just right, taken after I spent a couple of hours watching various forms of wildlife from where I was sitting. The shot wasn't the best part of the day, but it was a necessary part of the day. People simply don't understand that. Some simply don't want to.

I agree, and thank you.

I have a freezer that is stocked with venison. I am saving a tenderloin for the warm weather and a cookout. Sliced into medallions and wrapped in thick-sliced back, and put in the smoker. Mmmmm, making my mouth water just thinking about it.

And it is free of antibiotics, steroids, and other chemicals.

 

[leaningright]

Oops. Didn't see Sol's previous post.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

And if, in pursuance of your rights you violate mine ?

If I violate your rights, then I should be charged and tried with that crime.

What a strange obsession. Perhaps you should get a job manning a lighthouse.

WTH are you talking about?

Rights oh boy, that's the trendy thing to say in the US? Rights my arse. You have no rights save what other people allow you by their behaviour.

The main flaw in your theory is that I have the means to protect my rights, whether you think I have them or not. I KNOW I have rights, you THINK my rights are subjective. If I'm armed, able, and willing to use whatever force necessary to keep my rights, who is going to deny me?

You live in a society where all deserve human respect, where the rights of that society transcend, by light years, the 'rights' of the individual.

In this country, the constitution was written with the express purpose of providing the government certain powers in order to protect INDIVIDUAL rights. Not the greater good at the expense of the individual. The greater good is no more transcended above my individual rights any more than North Dakota is transcended above Massachussetts.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Not all Americans find pleasure in killing things. Gun owners do not buy guns to hang on Christmas trees. They are designed for killing, they are bought for killing by people who like to kill or by people who think they might get killed.
Bloody sad.

What I find sad is the warped mentality that your life isn't worth killing another person for. Most brits (and american liberals) have this idea that the intentional killing of someone is so inhumanly wrongheaded, that they would never, ever take someone elses life, even if it meant losing theirs. That is what is bloody sad.

 

[Thorn]

What I find sad is the warped mentality that your life isn't worth killing another person for. Most brits (and american liberals) have this idea that the intentional killing of someone is so inhumanly wrongheaded, that they would never, ever take someone elses life, even if it meant losing theirs. That is what is bloody sad.

Im glad that you said that. I used to think something along those lines until a real-life situation showed the error of the hypothetical to me. I put myself through school working in the prison system with largely psychiatric patients. Our facility was low security, and our "guests" had access to sometimes more than they should have had. One evening a young man became upset with me over his weekly allowance. He was intellectually impaired and didn't reason as well as some others, which is what led to his being institutionalized for most of his life, often in trouble with the law. He grabbed a kitchen knife and began to threaten me with it. Fortunately the situation was defused without a need for drastic action. At that moment, however, I realized that if it should come down to it, I would take whatever force was necessary to protect myself and to incapacitate my attacker, no question.

That knowledge surprised me at first, but I have come to terms with it. I certainly would not savor the notion of harming someone else, but if that person is posing an unmistakable threat of bodily harm or death to me, I will act as necessary. Because of my gender and relatively small size I have found myself occasionally in situations that might become threatening but always have managed to avoid serious confrontation. I doubt that I'll always be so lucky, and am determined to be prepared.

 

[Lowaicue]

Then I fear that we will never see eye to eye. But please understand this: Bush totally ruined your nations reputation and credibilty in the world. The same people who have been so disappointed by America for the last eight years equate the gung ho, shoot 'em up, phoney John Wayne attitudes of which you seem so proud with all that is bad about your country.
At some point in your development you must change or shoot yourselves back to being a second rate country.
I wish you luck and peace.

If I violate your rights, then I should be charged and tried with that crime.

WTH are you talking about?


The main flaw in your theory is that I have the means to protect my rights, whether you think I have them or not. I KNOW I have rights, you THINK my rights are subjective. If I'm armed, able, and willing to use whatever force necessary to keep my rights, who is going to deny me?

In this country, the constitution was written with the express purpose of providing the government certain powers in order to protect INDIVIDUAL rights. Not the greater good at the expense of the individual. The greater good is no more transcended above my individual rights any more than North Dakota is transcended above Massachussetts.

 

[Lowaicue]

And many are not.

Absolutely false. Target shooting, skeet shooting, plinking. Some guns are owned by people because they are nothing more than keepsakes to folks.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Then I fear that we will never see eye to eye. But please understand this: Bush totally ruined your nations reputation and credibilty in the world. The same people who have been so disappointed by America for the last eight years equate the gung ho, shoot 'em up, phoney John Wayne attitudes of which you seem so proud with all that is bad about your country.
At some point in your development you must change or shoot yourselves back to being a second rate country.
I wish you luck and peace.

If the majority of this worlds people see the active rooting out and destroying terrorist groups around the world as a 'gung ho' shoot em up attitude, well that is their problem. I'm not in this world to have everyone 'like' me. I'm in this world to contribute what I can and to provide for my loved ones. Not necessarily in that order. I wouldn't begrudge you the same.

 

[Lowaicue]

How many times has your life been threatened? I'll tell you how many times my life has been threatened. Precisely zero. Not at all. Nada. Nix. Never. But then I do not live in America.
As far as protecting my life and those of my loved ones is concerned, I guess I would do whatever was in my power as would most people. That would not include buying a gun or as sometimes is the case in the US, an arsenal on the million to one off-chance that I was attacked by one of the very very few people who are mentally deranged and gun toting.
I would say the best thing you could do would be to move to a safer neighbourhood.... no no no... please do not come here!

What I find sad is the warped mentality that your life isn't worth killing another person for. Most brits (and american liberals) have this idea that the intentional killing of someone is so inhumanly wrongheaded, that they would never, ever take someone elses life, even if it meant losing theirs. That is what is bloody sad.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

How many times has your life been threatened?

I'd say probably only about 3 or 4 times as a serious threat.

I'll tell you how many times my life has been threatened. Precisely zero. Not at all. Nada. Nix. Never. But then I do not live in America.

I'm glad for you because i'll tell you, it's not a funny feeling. You should also know that you are not immune to violence just because you live in the UK or even a nice neighborhood.

As far as protecting my life and those of my loved ones is concerned, I guess I would do whatever was in my power as would most people. That would not include buying a gun or as sometimes is the case in the US, an arsenal on the million to one off-chance that I was attacked by one of the very very few people who are mentally deranged and gun toting.

I'd be willing to bet that if you ever were confronted violently by someone with a gun or a seriously deranged person bent on doing major harm to you, you'd wish you had a gun. I could be wrong.

 

[Cancel4]

"Hunting" accidents

2009

VA: Bedford man dies in hunting accident - 31 Mar 2009
AR: 19-year-old killed in hunting accident - 31 Mar 2009
TN: Man shot while hunting for turkeys - 28 Mar 2009
FL: Hunter misses turkey, shoots himself - 27 Mar 2009
SC: Man fatally shot north of Walhalla while hunting - 21 Mar 2009
NY: Duck hunter shot - 5 Mar 2009
OR: 13-Year Old Silverton Boy Shot in Neck While Hunting - 3 Mar 2009
MI: Mother of shooting victim from Oceana County faces shooter in court - 2 Mar 2009
WV: 16-year old's life cut short - 2 Mar 2009
OH: Writer chronicles tree-stand catastrophe - 27 Feb 2009
PA: Hunter charged in fatal accident - 26 Feb 2009
AL: Former university president OK after hunting accident - 25 Feb 2009
IA: Coyote hunter shot - 22 Feb 2009
FL: Hunter shot while hunting rabbits - 21 Feb 2009
NJ: Man killed while hunting illegally - 20 Feb 2009
ND: Hunter: 'Dude, I shot myself' - 10 Feb 2009
FL: Hunting accident this takes the life of a 57-year-old woman - 8 Feb 2009
IN: Goose hunter dies in boating accident - 3 Feb 2009
VA: 10-year-old boy killed in Campbell County shooting - 3 Feb 2009
HI: Goat hunter falls to his death on O'ahu - 2 Feb 2009
MO: Hunting Incidents Claim Two Lives In January - 2 Feb 2009
VA: Deadly Year for Hunters - 1 Feb 2009
NE: Man Injured in Hunting Accident - 29 Jan 2009
PA: Hunter in critical condition after apparent accident - 27 Jan 2009
PA - Hunting accident - 26 Jan 2009
CT: Hunters injured as canoe flips - 25 Jan 2009
FL: Orange Springs man killed in hunting accident - 25 Jan 2009
MI: John Eugene Roswell faces trial in hunter's death - 24 Jan 2009
MO: Teen Accidentally Killed by Cousin - 23 Jan 2009
AL: Another hunter killed in hunting accident - 23 Jan 2009
WI Teen hurt in hunting accident - 20 Jan 2009
WV: Two Shot in Hunting Accidents - 18 Jan 2009
NJ: Deer hunter accidentally shoots into Flanders home - 14 Jan 2009
TX: Hunting accident kills father, teen son -13 Jan 2009
KY: Search Resumes For Juveniles Missing After Duck Hunting Trip - 11 Jan 2009
AL: Toddler wounded when father's hunting rifle accidentally discharges - 10 Jan 2009
FL: Hunter shoots himself - 10 Jan 2009
MI: Man arrested for 2007 hunting death in Oceana County - 9 Jan 2009
MN: Rochester Man Shot While Hunting - 9 Jan 2009
AL: Auburn hunter falls from tree stand - 8 Jan 2009
VA: Virginia hunting deaths up in 2008-09 - 8 Jan 2009
IA: teen injured in hunting accident - 6 Jan 2009
NJ: Man kills wife while shooting squirrel - 5 Jan 2009
VA: Man killed in hunting accident in Campbell County - 3 Jan 2009
CA: Death of San Luis Obispo hunter ruled accidental - 2 Jan 2009
MI: Man shot and injured while deer hunting - 2 Jan 2009
SD: Man injured in Brookings County hunting accident - 2 Jan 2009
FL: Fishers dead after boat crash - 2 Jan 2009
NC: Man faces charges in fatal deer-spotlighting crash - 2 Jan 2009
MA: Hunter shot in the stomach and leg - 1 Jan 2009
Former hockey player shoots himself while hunting - 1 Jan 2009

 

[Cancel4]

IA: Mount Ayr man facing federal wildlife charges - 3 Apr 2009
OR: Police Cite 4 For illegal elk Hunting - 30 Mar 2009
WV: Hunters now must report hunting accidents - 27 Mar 2009
TX: Hunting violation in the police blotter - 25 Mar 2009
NY: Deadly hunting accident trial underway - 24 Mar 2009
MN Hunting violation - 22 Mar 2009
NY: 2 held in illegal poaching of turtles - 21 Mar 2009
LA: Negligent homicide in hunting death upheld - 20 Mar 2009
NE: Nebraska man involved in widespread poaching - 18 Mar 2009
UT: Game wardens snared Utah poacher with GPS device - 14 Mar 2009
FL: Three charged with hunting at night with stolen gun - 9 Mar 2009
FL: Man hunting in closed area tracked down by K-9s - 5 Mar 2009
NM: Carlsbad man pleads to illegal deer hunting - 4 Mar 2009
MO: Man is charged with illegally hunting hogs in national forest - 4 Mar 2009
MI: Mother of shooting victim from Oceana County faces shooter in court - 2 Mar 2009
MI: State troopers sentenced for poaching deer on duty - 2 Mar 2009
WA: Wash. wildlife agent nabs gang of hunters - 1 Mar 2009
CA: Seven men accused of illegally hunting pigs at night - 28 Feb 2009
PA: Hunter charged in fatal accident - 26 Feb 2009
WI: Farmer wants carcass of illegally shot bear - 26 Feb 2009
CA: Jury hung in case of Carlous Baum - 25 Feb 2009
FL: Hunter smoking pot, and other violations - 24 Feb 2009
Utah hunting guide sentenced to prison - 22 Feb 2009
IA: 2 charged for trespassing while hunting - 19 Feb 2009
OR: Man loses hunting license for abandoning bighorn sheep's remains - 18 Feb 2009
ND: Guide charged with illegal hunting - 14 Feb 2009
ME: hunter nabbed - 13 Feb 2009
IA: Man charged with illegal hunting - 8 Feb 2009
MT: Saco ranch family members admit to hunting scheme - 6 Feb 2009
SD: Arranging illegal hunting trips brings prison time - 3 Feb 2009
DE: men face multiple hunting-related charges - 2 Feb 2009
AL: Hunters killing animals in wildlife sanctuary - 26 Jan 2009
MI: John Eugene Roswell faces trial in hunter's death - 24 Jan 2009
OR: Hunting group offers rewards to crack down on poaching on Oregon Coast - 23 Jan 2009
MO: Hunters illegally kill rare swans - 23 Jan 2009
SD: 2 plead guilty to South Dakota hunting violation - 22 Jan 2009
OR: Powers man pleads guilty in hunting death - 15 Jan 2009
CO: Hunting ranch owner issued summons for feral hogs - 15 Jan 2009
NM: Hunting legend Darner sentenced in theft - 14 Jan 2009
MS: 7 in hunting group losing hunting privileges - 11 Jan 2009
CO: Silverthorne mountain lion kill leads to poaching penalties - 10 Jan 2009
PA: 2 charged with first-degree homicide in 'hunting accident' - 9 Jan 2009
IA: Muscatine hunter pleads guilty to 34 violations - 8 Jan 2009
MT: Hunting violation - 7 Jan 2009
NC: Man faces charges in fatal deer-spotlighting crash - 2 Jan 2009

 

[SmarterthanYou]

how many people died due to medical malpractice in that same time period? maybe we should ban all doctors.