The only revelation which would be capable of causing my shattered soul further grievous damage would be if you said this was a FOREIGN dog he was bowing down to.
The dog is MEXICAN!
"Their guy" didn't try to make up excuses for it afterward and pretend he hadn't done it...Your guy kissed them and held their hand.
That is not what fucked this country up.
It was his idiotic policies hell bent on handing everything to the corps and even fighting wars for profit for them with our blood and treasure.
Your guy kissed them and held their hand.
That is not what fucked this country up.
It was his idiotic policies hell bent on handing everything to the corps and even fighting wars for profit for them with our blood and treasure.
"Their guy" didn't try to make up excuses for it afterward and pretend he hadn't done it...
Weakness is pretending that you have to stick your ass in the air to shake a 5'9" man's hand.
It seems to be the only "reason" they have... it's actually quite funny to watch. Often people would use Clinton as an example when defending Bush and they would talk about how he wasn't in office anymore....i love the dem defense of bush did it too.....some change we got
It seems to be the only "reason" they have... it's actually quite funny to watch. Often people would use Clinton as an example when defending Bush and they would talk about how he wasn't in office anymore....
Exactly.yes, in fact at times i used the clinton did it too defense when it was the same exact thing...and every time these same people who use the bush defense now, would say how lame it is i used that defense....
I don't really "care" so much, I just think it was weak as hell when he tried to explain it away rather than just say, "so?"Wow, you guys really do have your panties in a bunch about this shit.
Edit: I thought it was just the neo-con nutters that were paid to act like this that pretended to care. I guess I gave you folks too much credit.
apples/oranges to bowing all the way over to a foreign leader and you know it
I don't really "care" so much, I just think it was weak as hell when he tried to explain it away rather than just say, "so?"
Q During the campaign you were criticized by some within your own party for perhaps not being able to be tough on foreign policy matters. Now you've had this friendly interaction with Mr. Chavez. Are you concerned at all about how this might be perceived back in the U.S. as perhaps being soft? Already one senator is calling this friendly interaction irresponsible. And as a quick follow-up, if I may, when you got the book from Mr. Chavez, what did you really think? (Laughter.)
THE PRESIDENT: I think it was a nice gesture to give me a book; I'm a reader. And you're right, we had this debate throughout the campaign, and the whole notion was, is that somehow if we showed courtesy or opened up dialogue with governments that had previously been hostile to us, that that somehow would be a sign of weakness. The American people didn't buy it. And there's a good reason the American people didn't buy it -- because it doesn't make sense.
You take a country like Venezuela -- I have great differences with Hugo Chavez on matters of economic policy and matters of foreign policy. His rhetoric directed at the United States has been inflammatory. There have been instances in which we've seen Venezuela interfere with some of the -- some of the countries that surround Venezuela in ways that I think are a source of concern.
On the other hand, Venezuela is a country whose defense budget is probably 1/600th of the United States'. They own Citgo. It's unlikely that as a consequence of me shaking hands or having a polite conversation with Mr. Chavez that we are endangering the strategic interests of the United States. I don't think anybody can find any evidence that that would do so. Even within this imaginative crowd, I think you would be hard-pressed to paint a scenario in which U.S. interests would be damaged as a consequence of us having a more constructive relationship with Venezuela.
I would have shook Chavez' hand too. I'll bet if the hand were offered, so would Bush. Although Bush wasn't likely to go and sit for hours as leader after leader lambasted America in some sort of weird, more serious, version of a celebrity roast and therefore wouldn't like have the chance to shake that hand.Fair enough. i don't know that he was personally asked about the bowing ithing but he was asked about the Chavez handshake and basically ssid "so?":
In fact, he seems to be saying "So what? Those guys are jackasses," albeit very politely.
Yep, it was mentioned earlier in the thread.Remember when GWB was photographed holding hands with Saudi Prince Faud!