DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Modern conservatism means that we have a respect for the Constitution, limited government, and personal responsibility- just like the Founders.Oh no, you're quite wrong.![]()
Modern conservatism means that we have a respect for the Constitution, limited government, and personal responsibility- just like the Founders.Oh no, you're quite wrong.![]()
Actually, you are the Artful Dodger here. Here's my question, followed by your previous "answer":
Under the modern definition of conservatism, they were. Yet you can't admit that.
Jesus Waldo Christ. Just ignore the bastards. Sheeeesh!!
Modern conservatism means that we have a respect for the Constitution, limited government, and personal responsibility- just like the Founders.
Sorry genius, but the recorded post is your own undoing and proves you to be either a BS artist and/or liar. Whenever you neocon numbskulls can't defend your position or prove your assertions, you try to divert the discussion to some yes/no question that is only remotely related to the core discussion. Here's how and why I answered you as I did, copied from the original exchange, unedited. Please note that you made a statement, to which I responded accordingly. Changing that statement into a question won't change the FACT that I already addressed the statement, and you don't like/cannot refute the response:
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Originally Posted by Southern Man
I can't say I blame you both for sticking together, sort of like two rats drowning in a lake.
Taichiliberal: My, my....I've frustrated you so badly by exposing your ignorance that your sheet is showing. Better tuck it back in, bunky.
Southern Man: Modern conservatism is exactly like 18th century American liberalism. I'm not surprised that you didn't realize that.
Taichiliberal: Hey mastermind....do you think that such concepts as right to trial, free speech, equality regardless of financial or social status under the law, were "conservative" values when the country was created by the Founding Fathers? The Crown of England didn't think so. God, sometimes I truly believe that you are that fucking stupid, rather than just another insipidly stubborn neocon stooge.
Since you obviously didn't fully grasp the concept of my response....check out Motleydude's response to your moot question. That pretty much sums it up for those who are slow on the uptake and need futher elaboration. Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - Powell strikes back! But I suspect you'll just maintain your BS....after all, repetition and insipid stubborness is about all you've got. Carry on.
Modern Conservatism is an oxymoron used by people who have no idea what freedom means and use the constitution to wipe their ass with.
This cannot be disputed: modern conservatism means that we have a respect for the Constitution, limited government, and personal responsibility- just like the Founders.
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Like hell they weren't extreme leftist. They were radical revolutionaries. It dont' get no farther to the left then that...
Wow nice rant, but the issue that I am discussing with you boils down to this portion of your post. You are correct that the Founders were considered liberal radicals. What you neglect is the historical context, and that a 1776 liberal doesn't relate at all to liberalism in 2009. The Declaration of Independence basically turned the English model of monarchy on its head, and 11 years later of course the Constitution. so my statement: "modern conservatism means that we have a respect for the Constitution, limited government, and personal responsibility- just like the Founders." is entirely correct. Modern Liberalism seeks to tear down the Constitution, create a government that controls nearly all aspects of our lives, and rejects personal responsibility.
You did okay until the last sentence. To date, you or any other neocon can logically and factually PROVE that statement. Riddle me this Batman....why is it that all the shredding to the Constitution and Bill of Rights done under the leadership and promotion of the Shrub & company in the last 8 years NOT under the same label as you place "modern liberalism"?
It is.You did okay until the last sentence. To date, you or any other neocon can logically and factually PROVE that statement. Riddle me this Batman....why is it that all the shredding to the Constitution and Bill of Rights done under the leadership and promotion of the Shrub & company in the last 8 years NOT under the same label as you place "modern liberalism"?
1. Nice to see that after nearly a week of you dancing around my simple statement culminating in a massive rant you finally realize that my position is rock solid and cannot be disputed. You are admitting that, aren't you? A pity to see that you're still stubbornly holding onto a statement that is NOT true. So far, you've changed it from a statement to a question and now a VERSION of the original statement. In short, you're full of it...and the recorded posts prove me out. What's pathetic is that you'll deny everything until someone cuts & pastes your own words, then you cop to "oh, well what I meant to say was....." Spare us all, will ya?
2. You are attempting to deflect but I will address this anyway: I have never claimed that W was a Conservative; Obama is continuing most of the W policies that you admonish. And since when during any of our exchanges have you in no-uncertain-terms criticize any of the Shrub's policies and actions from the last 8 years? Since you use "liberals" as some sort of insult like any other neocon wonk, your sudden claim of a central position is dubious at best. Now then, can you answer an honest question? why is it that all the shredding to the Constitution and Bill of Rights done under the leadership and promotion of the Shrub & company in the last 8 years NOT under the same label as you place "modern liberalism"?
3. Modern Liberalism seeks to tear down the Constitution, create a government that controls nearly all aspects of our lives: Again, Prove it! Let's see how you do. "Fairness Doctrine", which required broadcast stations to devote AT LEAST ONE PORTION of their broadcast schedule to reflect an alternative political/social view point, in order to avoid a monopoly type situation. As TV came into view, station owners whined that it was "too difficult" to arrange their schedules to do such, and lobbied to remove the Doctrine and got Ronnie Raygun to do it. Now you have Fox News, Clear Channel, Air America...and other politically/socially lopsided stations/networks. Gee, whatever happened to anti-trust laws? State run media; You mean collusion with the state media? Like GE (military contracts) owning broadcast stations? Gun registration, restrictions and out-right bans; Puh-leeze, spare us all this constant regurgitation of NRA propaganda that preys on paranoid souls like you. Bottom line: If you are a law abiding citizen, you can buy a gun for home protection, you want to carry, you can fill out a form, pay a fee, take the course.....and to date the only "ban" you gun dupes are whining about is that you can't get your hands on every possible weapon known to man. As it stands, you get a plethora hand guns, hunting rifles, semi-automatic weapons. If you feel you can't defend yourself with that, then join the police force or the military. (Washington, DC was the only true "ban", that lasted 30 years before being voted down). Total usurpation of the People and State's rights by creation of a federal government that completely ignores its limited mandate of enumerated powers. Yeah, you don't like the Federal gov't....no surprise. Funny how folk like you had no problem (and were happy as clams in beer)with the Federal gov't under Nixon, or Reagan or the Bush family. Can you say Hypocrit, boys & girls? Sure you can, I knew you could.
4. Modern Liberalism rejects personal responsibility: Jeezus, you are a complete neocon parrot, aren't you? Rove would be proud. abortion on demand, As opposed to more children on social services? Rape victims bringing the child to term? Abortion only for the wealthy and connected? See bunky, it's a personal responsibility and a personal decision..NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS (or mine for that matter). government bail-outs, Yeah, like you and all your buddies just tore up those 2 welfare, err stimulus checks that the Shrub doled out during his two terms. Give me a break with this BS of yours. universal heath care, yeah, richest country in the world, yet hard working honest people can't afford to get sick...and if they can't afford those premium insurance deals, screw 'em. If the bean counters tell them they won't cover a necessary procedure, tough luck. Do you ever think before you type? support of unions, Sure, management is NEVER at fault....it's all those dirty unions. Jeezus, ENRON has taught you NOTHING.....the S&L Scandal taught you NOTHING, and you've obviously been asleep for that last year as to who have been the major culprits in the country's economic troubles. WAKE UP! rejection of school choice. You mean attempts to disgard the public school and replace it with quality education for those who can afford it? Yeah, let's not fix the problem, let's just toss out the baby with the bath water.
It is.
I see that your back to "rant mode" again. *shrug*Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
You did okay until the last sentence. To date, you or any other neocon can logically and factually PROVE that statement. Riddle me this Batman....why is it that all the shredding to the Constitution and Bill of Rights done under the leadership and promotion of the Shrub & company in the last 8 years NOT under the same label as you place "modern liberalism"?
Well, all you've done is demonstrate an igorance of key issues, and (once again) try to substitute your opinion, supposition and conjecture as FACT and the LOGIC that derives from such. Carry on.
I see that your back to "rant mode" again. *shrug*
This cannot be disputed: modern conservatism means that we have a respect for the Constitution, limited government, and personal responsibility- just like the Founders.
So after a week or so of spin culminating into almost admitting that I am right, you went right back into full emotional rant mode and refuse to acknowledge my rock solid assertion. Let me try another tack then.You do realize that people can just scroll up or click back to see my FULL response to you Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - Powell strikes back! ....and note what a foolish and insipidly stubborn person you are with this pathetic retort? Or are you truly this ignorant?
In either case, I've done my job by exposing how absurd and defenseless your statement is...and how tragic your attempt at a logical fact based debate is by reducing you to sheer repetition....so I'm done with you on this subject, bunky. You can flail away now.
The reality is the same tears in the constitution are appearing right now, I complained then, I complain now. The only difference.... liberals stopped complaining.Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
You did okay until the last sentence. To date, you or any other neocon can logically and factually PROVE that statement. Riddle me this Batman....why is it that all the shredding to the Constitution and Bill of Rights done under the leadership and promotion of the Shrub & company in the last 8 years NOT under the same label as you place "modern liberalism"?
Sez who? Because if you read the PNAC list of contributors, then look at the movers & shakers in the Shrub's administration, then look at their actions and policies for the last 8 years, no one in their right mind would confuse the neocon driven GOP with "liberalism" in any shape, form or fashion.
So after a week or so of spin culminating into almost admitting that I am right, you went right back into full emotional rant mode and refuse to acknowledge my rock solid assertion. Let me try another tack then.
Can explain to me, in your own words, how any one of these programs is Constitutional on the federal level: welfare, government housing, government run schools, or Affirmative Action.