What Critical Race Theory Teaches

leaningright said:
I’ve been reading through this entire thread but thought I’d stop and comment on a couple of things here. I really think it depends on what a person deems to be important about where they live as to how they feel about where they live. I have visited many places in the US and out. I have enjoyed most of those visits but would absolutely hate to have to live in those places for the duration of my life.

For example, I am typing this post from a nice little Bed and Breakfast in Maine. I’ve been here three days, have seen some beautiful scenery and have eaten some great food. After a four hour fishing trip in the morning, I plan on driving a little more inland and visiting Vermont and New Hampshire the next several days. I’ve loved this trip, loved meeting the people here, but if I had to live here I’d be bored stiff inside of three months. But by comparison it’s been better than anyplace outside the US I’ve been. So for me, the US is the best place on earth to live. Perspective…

Im a retired math teacher, have never made more than around $45,000 a year. I have a place that is paid for…2 acres and a 2800 sq ft house. I can take my wife and kids on vacations like this every year and when I’m home there are a myriad of activities that I enjoy and pursue. Not everyone would like to live where I live but I do. Perspective… I have a good place to live.

This has nothing to do with the OP and no one need respond. Just sharing some of why I think we’re a great country no matter how we got to this point. My mom and dad were dirt poor…one a hillbilly and one a Native American. My hillbilly dad worked his tail off to make things better for his kids, instilled in us a strong work ethic and we’ve been able, in turn, to make things better for ours. I’m thinking that’s the American dream. And as far as I can see it is alive and well.
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Thanks for sharing this LR, loved reading it. Living in SF so many of us get caught up in the rat race and who has what and how much etc. It’s very easy to lose perspective. Yet here you are talking about making no more than $45K/yr and living both a great and meaningful life and the American dream. (I laugh that you’ve been called racist and someone people don’t have respect for.)

Much respect to you sir.
 
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leaningright said:
I’ve been reading through this entire thread but thought I’d stop and comment on a couple of things here. I really think it depends on what a person deems to be important about where they live as to how they feel about where they live. I have visited many places in the US and out. I have enjoyed most of those visits but would absolutely hate to have to live in those places for the duration of my life.

For example, I am typing this post from a nice little Bed and Breakfast in Maine. I’ve been here three days, have seen some beautiful scenery and have eaten some great food. After a four hour fishing trip in the morning, I plan on driving a little more inland and visiting Vermont and New Hampshire the next several days. I’ve loved this trip, loved meeting the people here, but if I had to live here I’d be bored stiff inside of three months. But by comparison it’s been better than anyplace outside the US I’ve been. So for me, the US is the best place on earth to live. Perspective…

Im a retired math teacher, have never made more than around $45,000 a year. I have a place that is paid for…2 acres and a 2800 sq ft house. I can take my wife and kids on vacations like this every year and when I’m home there are a myriad of activities that I enjoy and pursue. Not everyone would like to live where I live but I do. Perspective… I have a good place to live.

This has nothing to do with the OP and no one need respond. Just sharing some of why I think we’re a great country no matter how we got to this point. My mom and dad were dirt poor…one a hillbilly and one a Native American. My hillbilly dad worked his tail off to make things better for his kids, instilled in us a strong work ethic and we’ve been able, in turn, to make things better for ours. I’m thinking that’s the American dream. And as far as I can see it is alive and well.
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Great Post.

I've lived a fairly good life, but my political ideologies are based on the premise that it isn't all about me.
I'd say that America is probably the planet's best tract of real estate.
Certainly one of the best without question.
As I mentioned earlier, there are many, many things that I LOVE about America.

What I really don't like is our form of government as framed in our constitution. I hate it, in fact.
It's fraught with very ill-advised compromises that were required in order to forge a single nation out of highly incompatible colonies.

To me, this is blatantly obvious. When people claim not to see it, I immediately doubt their sincerity.

Sure, some people simply aren't very thoughtful when it comes to complex social issues,
but some reasonable intelligent people are willfully disingenuous because
recognizing our obvious flaws--and they're very serious flaws--
disturbs their image of what they'd like to imagine America is.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
Right Wing Media is using CRT to trigger their base. Dr. Seuss, Mr. Potato Head didn't stick so this is their 'Flavor of the Month'.

But they have to cheat to make their point:
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Because the Democrats are logical, moral, ethical, honest, protect democracy, and are Law abiding- The TRUMPTARDED IDIOTS ARE NOW boycotting the truth, law and order, ethics, morality, and Democracy- BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP WANTS THEM TO!
 
Son of the Revolution said:
liberals are anti-America
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SHUT UP LIBERAL! You are as much liberal as anyone else! YOU ARE BASICALLY AN ASSCLOWN LIBERAL- A LIBERAL WHO IS NOT VERY NICE!

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Iolo/Penderyn said:
The police, obviously, followed by the Republican Party.
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Curious your thoughts here. Based on that response why would the Democrats led by Joe Biden in Congress pass a crime bill putting thousands of more officers on the street?

(We know why they did it, crime was increasing and people wanted it to be dealt with). But if cops are oppressors (and I’m going on the assumption you think Democrats aren’t) why would they put more on the streets?
 
Jack said:
It IS the Story.
Slavery has been with us since before the Bible (see Code of Hammurabi).
The Victors, the Strong, The Winners, enslaving the Losers, the Weak, the Losers.

"Most slaves were people captured in times of war. As the Roman Empire expanded, they often captured slaves from new lands they conquered. Other slaves were bought from slave traders and pirates who captured people from foreign lands and brought them to Rome. Children of slaves also became slaves. Sometimes criminals were sold into slavery. A few people even sold themselves into slavery in order to pay their debts. "
https://www.ducksters.com/history/ancient_rome/slaves.php

So there is nothing new here ... EXCEPT THE NARRATIVE.
The Narrative DOESN'T mention that Africans (the Victors) enslaved other Africans (the Losers) and sold these enslaved peoples to Others. 'OTHERS' could be other Africans, Arabs, to the Caribbean, Brazil or the US.
The Narrative is Racial. 'White People' did it.

Rather than view 'Slavery' in it's true historical context, 'Slavery' is viewed here through a narrow 'Racial' divide. It's been separated from the historic 'Victor enslaves Loser', to the 'White People Hate Black People So Make Them Slaves' Narrative.

Creating Racial Hatred shouldn't be an American Goal. (I can see how Russia and China would promote it though)
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True history has been around a long time..

Many were involved, not just white ppl..... That story is not as often told but I guess ppl are less concerned about Russians & Ukrainians sold in Turkish slave (Slav) markets then they are their own-makes sense doesn't it?

IMHO you are fostering a false narrative- as I pointed out, they were born here, multiple generations, no American of any color conquered them, so you really need to put that to rest... Why not gnaw on the fact that many of those "White & Native American & some African" owners had their own children slaving in the feilds & sold in slave auctions-what kinda MF sells his own kids??:|

Why in the world would anyone think this? 'White People Hate Black People So Make Them Slaves' Narrative.

Maybe because since emancipation it has been a non-stop brutal assaults' from the "white" greater society from the night riders & kkk to jim crow, housing discrimination to current voter suppression, right now in 2021 etc etc etc......

That would be my guess as to why some ppl have come to that conclusion
 
there is no "voter suppression" the 2016 election numbers do not lie
there is no housing discrimination - i have every color of the rainbow and people from all over the world just on my little block
the USA is not "systemic racist" either -minorities are in positions of power in all fields


CRT turns all this on it's head -it's a pack of lies
 
cawacko said:
Curious your thoughts here. Based on that response why would the Democrats led by Joe Biden in Congress pass a crime bill putting thousands of more officers on the street?

(We know why they did it, crime was increasing and people wanted it to be dealt with). But if cops are oppressors (and I’m going on the assumption you think Democrats aren’t) why would they put more on the streets?
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when did this happen?are you sure it's for more cops or more "alternative" policing?
 
dukkha said:
when did this happen?are you sure it's for more cops or more "alternative" policing?
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Was referring to the ‘94 crime bill that Biden wrote. My recollection was it was to put large numbers of new cops on the street. (And we can look at the Dems role in the ‘86 anti-drug act if want as well)
 
Jack said:
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"And for a time, free black people could even "own" the services of white indentured servants in Virginia as well. Free blacks owned slaves in Boston by 1724 and in Connecticut by 1783; by 1790, 48 black people in Maryland owned 143 slaves. One particularly notorious black Maryland farmer named Nat Butler "regularly purchased and sold Negroes for the Southern trade," Halliburton wrote."

Wait!
Black people 'owned' white people?
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And for a time we could see in Tulsa black ppl were allowed to thrive & own businesses etc-> a blind man can see how both worked out...:palm:
 
dukkha said:
i meant 2020 election
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Wrong either way. The number of people who voted does not deal with suppression. That is all about those who were prevented from voting. So you are suggesting this who voted prove something about those who were prevented? That makes no sense. Trump stores up a lot of emotion with his conman lies. So those, like you,who are not resistant to cons were all excited to vote . Those who see what a threat to America Trump is were also voting. That has nothing to do with the subset of Americans who were stopped by righyts from voting.
 
Jack said:
"Joel A. Rogers noted this phenomenon in his 100 Amazing Facts: "The Negro slave-holders, like the white ones, fought to keep their chattels in the Civil War." Rogers also notes that some black men, including those in New Orleans at the outbreak of the War, "fought to perpetuate slavery." "



This information should NOT be told to TTQ or Guno.
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So in your mind what do these extremely few cases represent & what rule/precedent do you see them setting??:thinking:
 
Jack said:
(sigh) I thought I gave a pretty good argument that 'slavery' was used by everybody. It wasn't just some 'White Supremacy' issue. Then, evince chimes in ... completely devoid of any knowledge of what had been posted. A little depressing about any kind of actual 'Discussion' here.

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& hopefully you have come to the realization that after all that, which was no surprise to anyone, it didn't matter, because those events happened, we still had jim crow, we still have lots & lots of problems to numerous to mention "AGAIN"..............

I'm sure the choir loved it, but in the end of your pontification the related problems are still haunting us, not from the past but from the present~ future??
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Great Post.

I've lived a fairly good life, but my political ideologies are based on the premise that it isn't all about me.
I'd say that America is probably the planet's best tract of real estate.
Certainly one of the best without question.
As I mentioned earlier, there are many, many things that I LOVE about America.

What I really don't like is our form of government as framed in our constitution. I hate it, in fact.
It's fraught with very ill-advised compromises that were required in order to forge a single nation out of highly incompatible colonies.

To me, this is blatantly obvious. When people claim not to see it, I immediately doubt their sincerity.

Sure, some people simply aren't very thoughtful when it comes to complex social issues,
but some reasonable intelligent people are willfully disingenuous because
recognizing our obvious flaws--and they're very serious flaws--
disturbs their image of what they'd like to imagine America is.
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Good points, thanks
 
dukkha said:
there is no "voter suppression" the 2016 election numbers do not lie
there is no housing discrimination - i have every color of the rainbow and people from all over the world just on my little block
the USA is not "systemic racist" either -minorities are in positions of power in all fields


CRT turns all this on it's head -it's a pack of lies
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Thanks Boris, always good to hear the Russian perspective...:cool:
 
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