Debunking Covid stupidity part one: Vaccines DO slow the spread

[Walt]

Remedial signups are on the right. Start with looking up the definitions of 'slow' and 'stop'

Smallpox vaccines were not 100% effective. Have you had smallpox?

Thanks.

Correct. If you slow the spread of a virus enough, even with imperfect tools, you effectively stop the virus. We have wiped Smallpox from the globe, and many other viruses from commonly spreading in the USA. We used similar tools to the tools we are using against Covid-19.

The problem here is idiots like Stone, and Anatta want us to give up on our success.

 

[Walt]

Do you believe that the constant hammering of others over the jab is working? I myself do not.

Black and Hispanic vaccination rates keep rising, due to the hard work you oppose, so it clearly works. With the alt right community, we have a problem with them being constantly hammered with lies. I really do not have a solution for that.

 

[Walt]

"virus gonna virus". learn to cope

And yet we have defeated hundreds of other viruses. Odd how that works.

 

[Concart]

Black and Hispanic vaccination rates keep rising, due to the hard work you oppose, so it clearly works. With the alt right community, we have a problem with them being constantly hammered with lies. I really do not have a solution for that.

Correct. Vaccine hesitancy can be overcome. Vaccine defiance cannot. anatta is vaccine defiant, at the same time he claims he's vaxxed. THAT is pretty damn dumb.

 

[volsrock]

This is simple math. Let's take a look at an example using the Delta variant:

Vaccinated people are five times less likely to be infected with the Delta variant. This is a fact. If you don't accept it as fact, please skip posting here and pick up a book instead.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm

The R0 of Delta with no mitigation factors is somewhere around 5-7, let's go with five for this exercise:

https://academic.oup.com/jtm/article/28/7/taab124/6346388

Okay, now lets start. 200 people are exposed to a person the Delta variant, 100 are vaccinated, 100 are unvaccinated. Given the delta and the efficacy of the vaccines:

7 unvaccinated people will get the variant
2 vaccinated people will get the variant (I'm erring on the side of caution, it's actually less than two)

If the group had been 100 percent vaccinated, 3 people would have gotten the virus, instead of nine. Each iteration increases the infection exponentially. This is simple math. Three is less than nine. Therefore vaccines slow the spread. If enough people are vaccinated, and additional mitigation is used, the R0 will quickly drop below 1.

Any questions? If you are having trouble understanding, see the teacher for assignment to the remedial window licker class.

Here are the numbers without the vax 2020 and with the vax 2021

COVID CASES USA

265,032 DEC 23 2021 more with the vax

193,511 DEC 23 2020 less without the vax

71,000+ more people have caught covid with the vax available and arouud 60% of the people vaxed.. than when it wasnt available and zero percent vaxed


You know math and stuff


So explain how it has slowed the spread? u stupid BASTARD

 

[anatta]

And yet we have defeated hundreds of other viruses. Odd how that works.

you do understand this virus doesnt stop with herd immunity?
it's a SARS type virus -same as the common cold. cant vaxx it away, cant mask it away, can't lockdown it away
Therapeutic are how we "learn to cope" along with vaxxing - but it's gonna spread thru populations no matter what we do. thats the history of COVID

 

[anatta]

Correct. Vaccine hesitancy can be overcome. Vaccine defiance cannot. anatta is vaccine defiant, at the same time he claims he's vaxxed. THAT is pretty damn dumb.

stupid fuck.
I'm not "vaxx defiante" I encourage vaxxing. not mandates that do great harm to the economy and psyches - especially but not just kids.

im not a fascist like you and Fauci because I understand by LOOKING AT THE VIRAL HISTORY it's endemic

 

[anatta]

Who designed it? I can hardly wait to find out.

show me the animal that took it from bat caves to people. There isn't ANY EVIDENCE to this day.

Now look at the breakout in Wuhan.
Look at the Wuhan viral institute where the Chinese were doing GOF
Look at their past history of lab leaks
Put it together..*duh*

 

[anatta]

I never once said 'stop the spread' you fucking ignorant moron.

ROFL

then why the draconian measures? Nothing can stop it, nothing can "slow" it, it's freaking pandemic.

By now you should have learned this -instead you come up with a pathetic hypothesis that vaxxing/mitigation is going to now slow the spread AFTER IT"S IN THE POPULATION

That ship has sailed. We saw from the beginning that lockdowns dont work as we hit the first wave
Vaxxing doesn't work. at best it reduces the time of a higher viral load - but viral loads
are still shedding from vaxxed.
Learn to live with it and quit the fucking mandates which bring their own sets of problems

 

[AProudLefty]

show me the animal that took it from bat caves to people. There isn't ANY EVIDENCE to this day.

Now look at the breakout in Wuhan.
Look at the Wuhan viral institute where the Chinese were doing GOF
Look at their past history of lab leaks
Put it together..*duh*

There is no evidence that COVID-19 was bioengineered.

 

[Walt]

you do understand this virus doesnt stop with herd immunity?

Your "question" is wrong on several points. No virus stops with herd immunity. They are slowed by herd immunity. By definition, members of the herd can still get the disease, and even spread it to other members of the herd, but there are no major outbreaks possible. So even if we had herd immunity, it would not mean that the virus would not be dangerous.

Covid-19's problem is not that herd immunity does not work, but that herd immunity is not sustainable. Covid-19 immunity, especially natural immunity, fades quickly, which makes getting herd immunity very difficult.

it's a SARS type virus -same as the common cold. cant vaxx it away

There are a whole bunch of viruses that can cause the common cold, but not "SARS type" viruses. The most common cause is a rhinovirus, which is a totally different group of viruses from Covid-19. A less common cause are coronaviruses, which would be related to Covid-19. Also influenza viruses cause colds, which are very treatable with vaccines.

Basically, you are wrong on every level.

cant mask it away, can't lockdown it away

Masks and quarantining have worked against colds.

Therapeutic

Antivirals have never been as effective as vaccines, and they certainly do kill people. They are brutal.

but it's gonna spread thru populations no matter what we do. thats the history of COVID

Without herd immunity stopping it from spreading, it will continue to spread over and over again. You start by saying there is no end to the deaths, remember?

 

[Walt]

stupid fuck...I understand by LOOKING AT THE VIRAL HISTORY it's endemic

Yes, you are a stupid fuck. Not all viruses have proven to be endemic. With hard work, we have defeated hundreds of viruses.

 

[anatta]

Yes you are. At .02 a post. I notice that your only argument against my math is an adhom. Because you are a fucking brain dead troll.

your "math" implies 3 is somehow better then 9. like this is some kind of linear calculus -its not

It doesn't take into consideration vaxxing doesnt stop the spread -vaxxed spread as well
It doesn't mean a thing with this incredible contagion
It's evident it's endemic

 

[AProudLefty]

your "math" implies 3 is somehow better then 9. like this is some kind of linear calculus -its not

It doesn't take into consideration vaxxing doesnt stop the spread -vaxxed spread as well
It doesn't mean a thing with this incredible contagion
It's evident it's endemic

In other words, let it run it's course.

BTW, the vaccine reduces the risk of hospitalization. So it is the unvaccinated who are more at risk.

 

[Stone]

Or like preachers constantly hammering, moaning and bitching about getting saved.

Stepping back in for a second. Interesting how you chose to not touch this post of mine...


"Yeah,....I can tell how much they care when even right here in this room many of the posters make gleeful statements CELEBRATING the death of others from Covid. Must be some new thing I guess......Nothing says CARING quite like dancing on graves. Naw man,.......that kind of thing is sick and evil and all the bullshit talk in the world will not convince one single soul that it isnt."

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I guess I dont blame you since it blasts your narrative all to hell about how much leftwingers CARE. Hiding from something doesnt make it go away,....isnt that what you guys are pushing when it comes to C-19 ? Maybe you could take a cue from yourself.....

 

[anatta]

Yes, you are a stupid fuck. Not all viruses have proven to be endemic. With hard work, we have defeated hundreds of viruses.

did I say "all virus?"
I specifically said SARS virus -due to the nature of transmission and it's design -and it's worldwide -no matter what we do it's going to stay in the population..

we would have to block all foreign arrivals, (including 2 million illegals) hunting for every infection, and shut state borders after outbreaks.
It's too late, and even those measures wouldn't do it. certainly vaxxing isn't going to either

 

[anatta]

In other words, let it run it's course.
BTW, the vaccine reduces the risk of hospitalization. So it is the unvaccinated who are more at risk.

I know. but we are talking transmission not hospitalization

 

[AProudLefty]

Stepping back in for a second. Interesting how you chose to not touch this post of mine...


"Yeah,....I can tell how much they care when even right here in this room many of the posters make gleeful statements CELEBRATING the death of others from Covid. Must be some new thing I guess......Nothing says CARING quite like dancing on graves. Naw man,.......that kind of thing is sick and evil and all the bullshit talk in the world will not convince one single soul that it isnt."

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I guess I dont blame you since it blasts your narrative all to hell about how much leftwingers CARE. Hiding from something doesnt make it go away,....isnt that what you guys are pushing when it comes to C-19 ? Maybe you could take a cue from yourself.....

I didn't "touch this post of yours" because I have already covered that multiple times. Also it isn't relevant to my point. Caring people want to see people be healthy.

 

[AProudLefty]

I know. but we are talking transmission not hospitalization

Slower transmission is better than fast transmission. It gives us more time to deal with the pandemic.

 

[Walt]

we would have to block all foreign arrivals

And yet we have defeated hundreds of viruses before without blocking all foreign arrivals?