Not vaccinated 17 x more likely to go to the hospital, and 20 x more likely to die

[Walt]

"You are 17 times more likely to go to the hospital if you’re not vaccinated, 20 times more likely to die"

Fact-check: Are you 17 times more likely to be hospitalized for COVID-19 if unvaccinated?

White House press secretary Jen Psaki: “You are 17 times more likely to go to the hospital if you’re not vaccinated, 20 times more likely to die.”

PolitiFact's ruling: True

Here's why: On Jan. 10, when the U.S. reported 1.35 million new COVID-19 cases — the highest daily total for any country on record — White House press secretary Jen Psaki faced pushback regarding President Joe Biden’s assertion that the pandemic is, at this point, "a pandemic of the unvaccinated."

During a press briefing that day, Fox News reporter Peter Doocy implied that Biden’s characterization was inaccurate.

"I understand that the science says that vaccines prevent death," he said. "But I’m triple vaxxed, still got COVID. You’re triple vaxxed, still got COVID. Why is the president still referring to this as a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated?’"

In her response, Psaki emphasized that vaccination status contributes to a "significant difference" in COVID-19 experiences.

"I had been triple vaxxed," she said. "I had minor symptoms. There is a huge difference between that and being unvaccinated."

She continued: "You are 17 times more likely to go to the hospital if you’re not vaccinated, 20 times more likely to die. And those are significant, serious statistics. So, yes, the impact for people who are unvaccinated is far more dire than those who are vaccinated."

A spokesperson for Psaki said she was referring to publicly available data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. And the CDC data support her claim.

In October, unvaccinated people had 10 times the risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and 20 times the risk of dying from COVID-19 compared with people who were fully vaccinated with additional or booster doses, according to the CDC’s COVID Data Tracker.

On COVID-19 hospitalizations, CDC data from the end of November 2021 indicated that unvaccinated adults ages 18 years and older were hospitalized with COVID-19 at a rate of about 67.8 per 100,000. By comparison, the rate for fully vaccinated individuals was about 3.9 per 100,000, meaning unvaccinated people were about 17 times more likely to be hospitalized due to COVID-19.

Data from Texas also supports Psaki’s claims. According to the Texas Department of State Health Services, data from September indicated that "Texans not vaccinated against COVID-19 were about 20 times more likely to suffer a COVID-19-associated death and 13 times more likely to test positive than people who were fully vaccinated."

With the U.S. now averaging more than 700,000 new coronavirus cases every day, the data shows that people who are unvaccinated are at a higher risk of severe illness and death than those who are vaccinated.

The CDC says scientists are currently researching how protected fully vaccinated people will be against infection, hospitalization and death where the omicron variant is concerned. The highly transmissible variant began to spread in the U.S. in early December and is fueling a surge that experts predict could last through January.

But some of the most recent omicron surge data from cities New York and Seattle indicates that COVID-19 vaccines still "radically reduce the chance of severe COVID illness," according to a data analysis by the New York Times.

Data on COVID-19 deaths from those cities indicates a relatively low risk of death for people who are vaccinated. Deaths among the vaccinated are expected to rise due to an increase in vaccinated people who have contracted the virus. "They are likely to be concentrated among people in vulnerable health, including the elderly and those with a serious underlying medical condition like a previous organ transplant — especially if they’re not boosted."

Data on deaths lags behind data on infections by about three weeks. But the Times reported that the early numbers suggest any increases in deaths among the vaccinated will be comparatively modest. "Deaths among unvaccinated New Yorkers and Seattleites had already begun to surge in December," the Times wrote. "Deaths among the vaccinated had not."

Our ruling
Psaki said "You are 17 times more likely to go to the hospital if you’re not vaccinated, 20 times more likely to die," compared to people who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19.

The most complete data available from the CDC and research from Texas support this claim. While those studies are based on data collected prior to omicron variant spreading in the U.S., early data from New York and Seattle in December and January continue to suggest a significant gap between the experiences of the unvaccinated and the vaccinated who become infected.

We rate this claim True.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-17-times-more-170012552.html

 

[Dutch Uncle]

"You are 17 times more likely to go to the hospital if you’re not vaccinated, 20 times more likely to die"

Agreed. All sane, intelligent people understand the facts. The insane, the politically biased and the stupid disbelieve science in favor of a megalomaniac and FaceBook Home Remedies.

The list so far:

1. HCQ
2. Bleach
3. Ivermectin
4. Mouthwash

They also claim masks don't work so don't use them and that Herd Immunity is the best way to go despite the fact it would kill over 3 million Americans.

The people who can't follow common sense are, IMO, either stupid or crazy. Most, I suspect, have mental issues causing them to make bad judgement calls on their personal health and the health of their loved ones.

 

[Concart]

And now 20% of the workforce is unvaccinated, and the Federal Government can do nothing about it, thanks to the idiots on the Supreme Court. So the result of their decisions will be 250,000 more Americans over the next six months clogging the hospitals, and 6,500 more funerals that wouldn't have happened. But maybe we should stop protecting these idiots and let them die. They don't want our help. Screw them. I've got Covid again, it's the Omicron I'm sure, and I feel just fine after a couple of days of mild symptoms. Inconvenient, yes, but a price I guess I'll have to pay to see to it that they all get sick and some of them die. That's what they want. I'm happy to oblige.

 

[McRocket]

"You are 17 times more likely to go to the hospital if you’re not vaccinated, 20 times more likely to die"

So what?

It still is none of your business if a person is vaxxed or not.

And since you people NEVER mention mandatory vaccines for the flu?
Which kills up to 60+K Americans - almost all being elderly - per year?
Your claim about 'mass covid vaxxing to protect the elderly' is CLEARLY 100% bullshit.

You are just spineless sheep who LOVE to do WHATEVER the MSM/bureaucrats tell you to do.

You people are a lot like Nazis.
However, instead of calling Jews/Communists/Gypsies subhuman?
You call anyone whom refuses to get vaxxed as subhuman/beyond stupid/etc.

Many of you - even on here - have already wished them to die.
Like the sick fucks you alt-lefts are.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

And now 20% of the workforce is unvaccinated, and the Federal Government can do nothing about it, thanks to the idiots on the Supreme Court. So the result of their decisions will be 250,000 more Americans over the next six months clogging the hospitals, and 6,500 more funerals that wouldn't have happened. But maybe we should stop protecting these idiots and let them die. They don't want our help. Screw them. I've got Covid again, it's the Omicron I'm sure, and I feel just fine after a couple of days of mild symptoms. Inconvenient, yes, but a price I guess I'll have to pay to see to it that they all get sick and some of them die. That's what they want. I'm happy to oblige.

I can't be cool with them dying, but die they will. Unfortunately they take others with them -- the elderly, ppl with comorbidities, immunosuppressed people, etc.

 

[Cypress]

The only unvaxxed have a right to COVID-assisted suicide, but they don't have a right to clog up our ERs and ICUs.

That is why I have always advocated leper colonies on isolated islands. The Aleutian Islands would be my proposal.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

So what?

It still is none of your business if a person is vaxxed or not.

And since you people NEVER mention vaccines for the flu?
Which kill up to 60+K Americans - almost all being elderly - per year?
Your claim about protecting the elderly now is 100% bullshit.


The truth is?
You are just ignorant masses whom ADORE doing what ever Mommy/Daddy government tell you to do.

Not my business if you have syphilis, AIDs or what you do in the privacy of your own home. However, if you are out spreading those diseases, then you are harming others and that's a crime.

We have charges of negligent homicide for accidentally killing someone. If someone negligently spreads disease and kills someone, I see no reason to treat the murderder any less than if they'd negligently run over a child with their car.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The only unvaxxed have a right to COVID-assisted suicide, but they don't have a right to clog up our ERs and ICUs.

That is why I have always advocated leper colonies on isolated islands. The Aleutian Islands would be my proposal.

Or spread the disease to others because they feel it's not a deadly disease.

Note how often they use "flu" as a comparison. "No worse than the flu".

 

[Concart]

I can't be cool with them dying, but die they will. Unfortunately they take others with them -- the elderly, ppl with comorbidities, immunosuppressed people, etc.

I understand that sentiment, but...... they are doing that anyway, so they might as well die in the process. We can no longer stop this. The tide of ignorance is overwhelming the country. We are now living the movie 'Idiocracy', and it may very well get worse. We're also living 'Don't Look Up'. Meryl plays a very convincing female Trump.

 

[Concart]

The only unvaxxed have a right to COVID-assisted suicide, but they don't have a right to clog up our ERs and ICUs.

That is why I have always advocated leper colonies on isolated islands. The Aleutian Islands would be my proposal.

I like it. They should be sick AND cold. Schadenfreude.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I understand that sentiment, but...... they are doing that anyway, so they might as well die in the process. We can no longer stop this. The tide of ignorance is overwhelming the country. We are now living the movie 'Idiocracy', and it may very well get worse. We're also living 'Don't Look Up'. Meryl plays a very convincing female Trump.

We just watched that. Yes, she does. The ending was great.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Or spread the disease to others because they feel it's not a deadly disease.

Note how often they use "flu" as a comparison. "No worse than the flu".

From what I've heard ppl who have actually had it say, that's only true if you get it after being fully vaccinated.

 

[McRocket]

Not my business if you have syphilis, AIDs or what you do in the privacy of your own home. However, if you are out spreading those diseases, then you are harming others and that's a crime.

We have charges of negligent homicide for accidentally killing someone. If someone negligently spreads disease and kills someone, I see no reason to treat the murderder any less than if they'd negligently run over a child with their car.

What nonsense.
How the fuck are you going to be able to prove that one person in particular gave a virus to another?

But alright.

So what if someone gives an old fart the flu and it kills them?
You want them charged as well?

How about if someone gives someone a cold and it develops into pneumonia and kills them?
Charge them too?

 

[Cypress]

I like it. They should be sick AND cold. Schadenfreude.

Airdrops of food, medical supplies, and cold weather gear and clothing would be the humane thing to do.

Precaution might require mining the waters around the Islands to prevent escape.

 

[Concart]

We just watched that. Yes, she does. The ending was great.

Yeah, I was wondering about the reference when it happened.... and the payoff was spectacular.

 

[evince]

So what?

It still is none of your business if a person is vaxxed or not.

And since you people NEVER mention mandatory vaccines for the flu?
Which kills up to 60+K Americans - almost all being elderly - per year?
Your claim about 'mass covid vaxxing to protect the elderly' is CLEARLY 100% bullshit.

You are just spineless sheep who LOVE to do WHATEVER the MSM/bureaucrats tell you to do.

You people are a lot like Nazis.
However, instead of calling Jews/Communists/Gypsies subhuman?
You call anyone whom refuses to get vaxxed as subhuman/beyond stupid/etc.

Many of you - even on here - have already wished them to die.
Like the sick fucks you alt-lefts are.

Would you say the same about the plague


That it is none of someone’s business if you were throwing up blood and sluffing off skin?

 

[evince]

If you have a deadly disease it is my business


It’s easy when the disease is easy to spot huh


It’s just as deadly but not so easy to spot huh



Is it your business if someone can infect and kill you of some disease?



It’s an obvious answer


You just want the right to infect and kill people

 

[McRocket]

Would you say the same about the plague


That it is none of someone’s business if you were throwing up blood and sluffing off skin?

Damn right.
Unlike you apparently - the ends NEVER justify the means to me.
NEVER.

If the ONLY way the human race can survive is to take everyone's rights away?
I say - let humanity die.
It ain't worth it.

'It's better to be dead and cool.
Than alive and uncool.'

 

[Dutch Uncle]

What nonsense.
How the fuck are you going to be able to prove that one person in particular gave a virus to another?

But alright.

So what if someone gives an old fart the flu and it kills them?
You want them charged as well?

How about if someone gives someone a cold and it develops into pneumonia and kills them?
Charge them too?

Thanks for tacitly acknowldegeing that it's a crime.

Yes, it would be difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt in some cases, but not all.

As you tacitly agreed; if a person can be proved to have negligently or deliberately infected another person and the infected person has long-term health issues or dies, then the Infector should be criminally charged.

Yes, charge all negligent and deliberate criminals.

Correct me if I'm wrong: You're not vaxxed, you're anti-vaxx, you don't wear a mask unless forced to do so, you don't test and you act like the virus doesn't exist when you are in public. TIA

 

[Concart]

Airdrops of food, medical supplies, and cold weather gear and clothing would be the humane thing to do.

Precaution might require mining the waters around the Islands to prevent escape.

We could put them to work in jobs that help their little colony. And we could do some mandatory education. Maybe a Constitutional law class, and a science class would benefit them.