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Eye on Energy: China’s Great Nat Gas Deal
Published: Wednesday, 19 Aug 2009 * 12:45 AM ET Text Size By: CNBC.com
China and Australia struck a $41 billion agreement to provide China with liquefied natural gas (LNG) Tuesday, and the deal is an example how China is grabbing up energy at cheap prices at a time when it is one of the few countries investing in resources, experts told CNBC Asia.



Meanwhile, opinion was divided on just how troubling is the American Petroleum Institute’s surprising report that U.S. crude oil inventories fell last week.

PetroChina will pay Exxon Mobil [XOM 66.49 -0.06 (-0.09%) ] $50 billion Australian dollars for 2.25 million tons per year of LNG supply for 20 years. Exxon will supply the gas from the Gorgon LNG project off Australia’s northwest coast.

“China is buying at bargain basement prices,” Mark L. Waggoner, president of Excel Futures, said. “They are protecting their interests. Expect more crude oil purchases as well ... demand is on the rise in China and prices will start to go higher once again.”

Mike Sander of Sander Capital Advisors agreed, saying that China is position itself for growing demand, when more of its population starts driving.

“Either PetroChina could sell the goods at home or resell it in the spot LNG market should prices climb as they may be assuming,” RGE Monitor Senior Analyst Rachel Ziemba said. “But it just underscores the fact that China continues to be one of few capital sources for energy investment right now. Agreeing to pay for these supplies may be what is needed to bring this project into action.”


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“This is further evidence that China is out there buying all of the ‘stuff’ it knows it shall need in the future and taking perhaps more than is merely necessary,” Dennis Gartman, publisher of The Gartman Letter, said.

API an Aberration?

The API reported Tuesday that crude inventories in the US fell by 6.1 million barrels, while analysts were looking for a rise in stockpiles of 1.3 million barrels.


Imports fell 1.03 million barrels a day to 8.88 million barrels a day, while domestic production was unchanged and refinery runs rose, according to JP Morgan.

“This worries, me,” Phil Flynn, senior analyst at PFG Best Research, said. “Imports were down big and oil rallied strong into the number.”

But the API numbers should be viewed with some skepticism, as they do not include inventories from Valero Energy, Excel’s Waggoner said.

“We think that the draw is an aberration and the bump up will be erased once (the Department of Energy) report is published. A great short for overnight.”

“A drop of 6.1 million barrels of crude is a very large ‘aberration’ from the expected (Energy Information Administration) report,” Sander said. “With poor unemployment and corporate growth in the US I am still looking for crude and petroleum to have very weak consumption for the foreseeable future. It is still the summer so there could be a small drop, but I would give it a better bet for a build each weak.”
 
So China is buying LNG from the Aussies and demand for oil in the US is waaay down. Duhh we are in a recession. And how much LNG does the USA use?
LNG is the only way we in the USA would get natural gas from the Aussies. We do not have a trans pacific natural gas line.
 
getting the gas from Au is not the point.
That China is aggressively buying oil and gas on international markets is.
Yes demand is down, maybee even way down. $2.50 gas price now. What do you think it will be when demand is way up and it will be.
Did I mention that India is making a $2,500 car?
 
getting the gas from Au is not the point.
That China is aggressively buying oil and gas on international markets is.
Yes demand is down, maybee even way down. $2.50 gas price now. What do you think it will be when demand is way up and it will be.
Did I mention that India is making a $2,500 car?

Hey my stance all along has been to get off the oil teat.

Now if Palin would have stayed in office and got the Alaska natural gas pipeline started instead of being an emo diva.
After all god had told her to build it. Why did she defy god?
 
there is no such thing as get off oil, Period.

Now get off foreign or or Middle east oil is a potentially doable long shot.
 
there is no such thing as get off oil, Period.

Now get off foreign or or Middle east oil is a potentially doable long shot.
Rubbish. If we were willing to pay we could get off foreign oil. Use Nuclear for electricity and Natural Gas would even be a viable bridge to newer technologies so we could continue our "love affair" with the automobile. It isn't a "long shot" it is quite doable.
 
Rubbish. If we were willing to pay we could get off foreign oil. Use Nuclear for electricity and Natural Gas would even be a viable bridge to newer technologies so we could continue our "love affair" with the automobile. It isn't a "long shot" it is quite doable.

Yes we CAN reduce our oil needs to the point where we can supply our own oil.
We will not though till the situation escalates into a devestating crisis of one type or another.
 
Rubbish. If we were willing to pay we could get off foreign oil. Use Nuclear for electricity and Natural Gas would even be a viable bridge to newer technologies so we could continue our "love affair" with the automobile. It isn't a "long shot" it is quite doable.

shows how little you know,
we import more than 50%
You'll be dead before alt make up more than 50%
 
your grandchildren would be dead.
A much better more doable plan would be to work hard to be energy independent.
wind
Solar
Nuclear
Alaska oil
Florida oil
Cali oil
Cali Ghanja - for the agri-taxes
 
your grandchildren would be dead.
A much better more doable plan would be to work hard to be energy independent.
wind
Solar
Nuclear
Alaska oil
Florida oil
Cali oil
Cali Ghanja - for the agri-taxes

in the 'not dead enough yet' words of Ted Kennedy - "not in my oceanfront property"

same applies for just about any other area unless it's so dirt poor that the community wouldn't be able to stop it.
 
in the 'not dead enough yet' words of Ted Kennedy - "not in my oceanfront property"

same applies for just about any other area unless it's so dirt poor that the community wouldn't be able to stop it.

agree, which is why I believe the next spike would be worse than otherwise.
 
that is only doable if the libs can get off the 'go green' movement and accept nuclear energy.

I support the clean energy that is most efficient in the area in question. If that most efficient solution is nuclear, and will be nuclear over most of the plants predicted lifespan, then so be it. Modern plants are safe, and they produce very, very little radioactive waste. Most of the waste that is every going to exist, even should we adopt a massive nuclear energy program, came from the crappy old generation one and two reactors.
 
in the 'not dead enough yet' words of Ted Kennedy - "not in my oceanfront property"

same applies for just about any other area unless it's so dirt poor that the community wouldn't be able to stop it.

It is not just Ted Kennedy. It was Jeb Bush and most owners of oceanfront property. Which I am sure are all Dems :rolleyes:
 
Rubbish. If we were willing to pay we could get off foreign oil. Use Nuclear for electricity and Natural Gas would even be a viable bridge to newer technologies so we could continue our "love affair" with the automobile. It isn't a "long shot" it is quite doable.

75% of Frances power is produced by clean, cheap nuclear energy. That's because the Communists and Socialists (I'm serious, Communists and Socialists ruled France in the 80's, look it up) realized it was important for the progress of their country. In America, just about the only success the left seems to have had in the past 30 years is bringing nuclear energy to a halt.
 
It is not just Ted Kennedy. It was Jeb Bush and most owners of oceanfront property. Which I am sure are all Dems :rolleyes:

you'll notice that I had a second sentence in that post. kind of went like this:

same applies for just about any other area unless it's so dirt poor that the community wouldn't be able to stop it.

that intimates that any and just about all elitist politicians and wealthy biatches, Jeb is included, said the same thing.
 
you'll notice that I had a second sentence in that post. kind of went like this:







that intimates that any and just about all elitist politicians and wealthy biatches, Jeb is included, said the same thing.


Yes I just wanted to clarify that since only a dem had been mentioned by name.

Enviro nutz have been a blessing to those types on the right. They let the enviro nutz take all the heat and blame. While they sit in thei multi million $ beachfront homes and do not have to look at ugly drilling rigs.
 
shows how little you know,
we import more than 50%
You'll be dead before alt make up more than 50%
Oh, you think we mean instantaneously or are you just being disingenuous? It takes time to build nuclear power stations and create the infrastructure to deliver the natural gas the way we deliver the oil nowadays, this is true, but it is most certainly a viable solution.
 
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