Healthcare debate really bringing out the stupid in righties

[uscitizen]

Meaningful healthcare reform is dead. The lying right wing pundits did that at the request of big pharma and healthcare insurance. the lies stuck, the stupid Americans will not believe truth now.

Now the only thing remaining is how many tax and personal dollars the industry will get out of us. That is what the repubs and some dems are working on now.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Why don't you prove that you didn't say it.

Isn't that you want the dems to do? Prove that they didn't say something that someone's making up?

not at all....i even gave actual text from the bill that indicates forced consultations....

and you're wrong....you should be able to show from the bill where it will not do something that someone claims it will....else the bill fails....your best buddy homofrommaine was wrong and basically lied....but i don't expect him to honestly admit it

next

 

[Damocles]

Yes. It was misinterpreted. By idiots.

Please. Lawyers were telling them that "shall" isn't a good idea, they thought... We'll go one better than that.

It's a shame really, end of life counseling is a good idea, all they had to do is ensure it was something that people wanted to go through rather than was forced upon them. It isn't hard to make it clear for everybody, including lawyers.

 

[Onceler]

"i even gave actual text from the bill that indicates forced consultations"

Where?

Where is that text? I'm begging for it; I have yet to see it.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Yes. It was misinterpreted. By idiots.

and you guys did such a lousy job of convincing people they were wrong....now the whole thing is out....you guys suck at convincing people of anything on your side....that is why you and cohorts have to CRAM it down our throats because most of you are incapable of rational debate....all you have are lame insults

pathetic....but, i should be happy as people like you, onceler, hfm will destroy your party.....and i can't believe that damo voted for onceler as a good debater....he hasn't debated or discussed anything with me in this thread.....all insults

 

[maineman]

not at all....i even gave actual text from the bill that indicates forced consultations....

and you're wrong....you should be able to show from the bill where it will not do something that someone claims it will....else the bill fails....your best buddy homofrommaine was wrong and basically lied....but i don't expect him to honestly admit it

next

you WISH I was a homo, you little shyster jew fag.... but I ain't. I'm sorry...perhaps you'll have to masturbate over some other fantasy, but keep me out of it.

fucking freak.

 

[LadyT]

not at all....i even gave actual text from the bill that indicates forced consultations....

and you're wrong....you should be able to show from the bill where it will not do something that someone claims it will....else the bill fails....your best buddy homofrommaine was wrong and basically lied....but i don't expect him to honestly admit it

next

Clearly you've never taken any course remotely resembling logic or theory.

Furthermore, can you prove to us that you didn't say something that Maineman is claiming you did?

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

"i even gave actual text from the bill that indicates forced consultations"

Where?

Where is that text? I'm begging for it; I have yet to see it.

i already posted it and all you did was say it was stupid, you failed to explain how it was not mandatory, especially in the light of shall and why does it matter if one has not had a consultation in the last five years....

you had your chance and you shit on it

 

[Onceler]

i already posted it and all you did was say it was stupid, you failed to explain how it was not mandatory, especially in the light of shall and why does it matter if one has not had a consultation in the last five years....

you had your chance and you shit on it

That text didn't indicate "forced consultations." Not by a long shot.

Step away from the keyboard. You're becoming unhinged.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Clearly you've never taken any course remotely resembling logic or theory.

Furthermore, can you prove to us that you didn't say something that Maineman is claiming you did?

you getting logic mixed up....not surprising....at all

people have pointed to what they think mandates it....thus, you should be able to show from language in the bill that it is NOT mandated....this is not about proving something that doesn't exist....you're wrong, but i am not surprised

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

That text didn't indicate "forced consultations." Not by a long shot.

Step away from the keyboard. You're becoming unhinged.

then what difference does five years make? and you still can't debate....all you have are insults....where does it say that those consultations are only optional?

you're pathetic, really

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

since onceler can't debate, i'll make it easy for him:

the reason it is not mandatory, is because the five years is an initial maximum on how many times the government will pay for you to get the counseling if you wish....

it is real easy to explain if you stop the insults onceler....real easy...but most libs can't and now that whole portion is being struck from the bill....

you guys screwed up

 

[Onceler]

"you guys screwed up "

Sure. I'll admit that the truth is no match for a well-orchestrated, high-volume campaign of distortion & misinformation.

You've done an excellent job of exemplifying that right here on this thread. I suppose "thanks" are in order.

 

[meme]

Bravo for us if we have Killed this hostile take over by the evil Progressives of our health care system...

all means in a fight is fair for our lives and freedoms..

 

[Onceler]

So, just to recap:

It's okay to lie about the proposal, because the ends (defeating anything that could improve our healthcare system) justify the means.

If liberals are ineffective in countering those lies, it's their own fault.

It doesn't matter what is actually written in the bill; perception, and whatever misconceptions can be created, are what count.

The onus is on reform supporters to prove that outlandish claims are not written into the bill; detractors can basically say whatever they want, without proof or factual evidence.

My work here is done.

 

[meme]

So, just to recap:

It's okay to lie about the proposal, because the ends (defeating anything that could improve our healthcare system) justify the means.

If liberals are ineffective in countering those lies, it's their own fault.

It doesn't matter what is actually written in the bill; perception, and whatever misconceptions can be created, are what count.

The onus is on reform supporters to prove that outlandish claims are not written into the bill; detractors can basically say whatever they want, without proof or factual evidence.

My work here is done.

whatever....
we are fighting for our freedoms and not to becomes slaves to this crooked and corrupted Progressive Federal Government now in control..

our work is going well..bravo to the American people who care.

 

[RockX]

you WISH I was a homo, you little shyster jew fag.... but I ain't. I'm sorry...perhaps you'll have to masturbate over some other fantasy, but keep me out of it.

LOL

Democrats always like to tell us how racist we are. The only thing missing is you forgot to call him a nigger.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

And you are a liar.

"Forced Euthanasia" is not on the table, nor was it ever, nor will it ever be.

This is why an honest debate will never happen. People like you continually spread LIES and perpetuate unfounded fear.

Wrong. Rationing plus the utilitarian view of human value equals euthanasia.

These people are elitists who believe in killing the useless eaters, young, old, imperfect, whatever.

 

[ib1yysguy]

Yurt, I didn't see what text you posted and I don't fee like digging back through this thread to find it, but heres' the text that people most often site when they talk about forced consultations:

‘ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text?version=ih&nid=t0:ih:2834

What they're describing is an amendment to the Social Security act. Here's where they say this language is an amendment to that bill:

1) IN GENERAL- Section 1861 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x) is amended--
(A) in subsection (s)(2)--
(i) by striking ‘and’ at the end of subparagraph (DD);
(ii) by adding ‘and’ at the end of subparagraph (EE); and
(iii) by adding at the end the following new subparagraph: [followed by a very long amendment detailing what advance care or end-of-life counseling is - the link to which I provided just above]

If these changes make stuff in that section mandatory, you can expect every senior to be forced to have artificial legs and midwife services.

This section of the Social Security Act deals with reimbursement from Medicare only. It just means that if doctors council people on these things, Medicare will pay them to do it as long as it's not more frequently than every 5 years unless certain conditions which they describe are met (like a change in health conditions that would warrant such a consultation - like getting cancer).

Heres' that part of the social security act that they're amending:

http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title18/1861.htm

 

[Cancel4]

whatever....
we are fighting for our freedoms and not to becomes slaves to this crooked and corrupted Progressive Federal Government now in control..

our work is going well..bravo to the American people who care.

Lying is a justifiable tactic for the conservatards. They admit it.

We will counter with the truth.

The public option is optional in the sense that Americans have the option to pick the public option, but they also have the option to choose their own private plan.

As the public option doesn't have to spend money on such matters as executive compensation, the private plans will have to become more competitive - better service, less waste, lower costs.

You don't even have to take any insurance option. You can choose not to have insurance.

As for this death panel idea, that's an interesting example of how misinformation spreads. No plan covers illegal immigrants; let's dispel that. No plan is going to revoke existing prohibitions to pay for abortion. Nobody has proposed anything even close to government takeover of health care. Nobody is talking about getting between you and your doctor.