Texas grid fails yet again

Except for the Bonneville Power Administration, of course. We buy power from them just like most States in the West do. They're pretty good at maintaining their equipment though.
The City of Seattle does not buy from Bonneville. They generate all their power from hydroelectric power up in the mountains (particularly Snoqualmie Falls and Diablo dam). SnoPUD also buys power from Diablo dam.
Puget Power does buy Bonneville power. It also buys power from a nuke in Eastern Washington, and a couple of coal plants in Western Washington, and from natural gas power plants.
Eastern Washington buys from Bonneville power, the nuke over there, and uses a lot of real estate for wind farms.

The poles are usually not damaged. Sometimes an idiot in a car will take out a pole though. Tree limbs are usually small enough to very temporarily short a couple of primaries together, then burn away or get blown off by the same wind. The system here will detect that and throw the breaker, automatically resetting after three seconds. Usually it holds since the short is no longer there.

Occasionally, a big branch will come down and not burn away. The reset event fails, and the power goes out. In a widespread storm, it can take awhile for crews to locate all the tree branches and remove them. All this work has to be coordinated with the dispatcher at the power company providing the line, and of course, traffic control services. It can take a bit of time to organize all that.

You can always use a generator, but don't allow any of it's output to be fed into the power line. Fully disconnect the power line before you use the generator. That transformer will take your generator output and put 7.2kV on the lines the crews are working on. Most crews will put shorting wires on those lines to protect themselves from such morons, but it does destroy their generators (they deserve it!).

Remember too that these crews to a fantastic job, going around and getting up there to remove all those tree limbs usually during very poor and hazardous weather conditions. My hard hat is off to them!

Ah. Then you didn't live through the Great Snowstorm of '67, like I did. I lived on Somerset at the time. We watched Seattle go out, section by section as each substation blew up when the snow weight crushed the switching and conditioning system at these substations. Many of those were caused by snow and ice plugging the cooling vents for the transformer oil, overheating and destroying said transformer.

There wasn't a light in the city, except for cars. Of course, we didn't have power either. All the Eastside was out as well.

It took a couple of weeks to rebuild all the substation damage. Again, fantastic crews working in freezing temperatures and heavy snow so you can get your power back on.

LOL I wasn't even in the country in '66 I was in Australia. In any event, the outages are all local here until the power companies figure out how to deal with trees and wind.

I don't know where @Hawkeye10 got his news we're trying to do away with hydroelectric. It's a huge deal up here - we're not phasing it out anytime soon.
 
Yes that was bad we didn't build the grid for that kind of a winter storm because there has never been a winter storm that was that cold that wide spread and for that long. It broke records all over the state. A big problem is the natural gas producers froze up and couldn't deliver fuel to the electric plants. AA never before problem in the state. Then ice storms froze up the blades on several wind generators knocking them out. It was a bad one I had to start my Generac and we were fine.

Good for you - a man who plans! The wife in the couple across the street put her foot down after an outage a few years ago - made her husband go to Costco and buy a permanent, above ground, generator hooked into the natural gas line. When the power goes out it snaps on immediately. They loved our kids when they were little so when the power went out, we went across the street and provided cooking services in exchange for their power home use. We actually had fun whenever it happened. The kids thought it was like camping :)
 
Yeah, my friend, but like I said they're all local and they last no more than an hour or two. I admit it's a problem but nothing like TX had to deal with recently.

The Texas grid didn't fail. It became overloaded due to unforeseen circumstances tied to usual maintenance schedules and unusually hot weather, causing people to use their air conditioning systems more.
It's not normally this hot in Texas this time of year.
 
Yes but the story is even worse than that, power was turned off to heaters on the lines in order to prioritize having electricity for homes....now a lot of the lines never got heaters but where they exist it is critically important that they operate during freezes. Then once they do freeze it takes at least days to get them unfrozen.

This reminds me of the feds shutting down a major baby formula plant when there is no evidence that any formula was contaminated, and months later the plant is still closed, and no alternate supply was attempted......either stunningly stupid decisions by the people in charge...or a deliberate attempt to harm America.

It has to be one or the other.

Natural gas lines have no heaters. A rather dangerous combination, you see.
 
The WOKE fully intend to remove a lot of hydro by removing dams on the theory that the salmon will be more happy ....turbulence ahead.

Already happened in the SDTC. That's another reason why so many blackouts and rolling blackouts.

San Jose. The High Tech center of the Universe...and they can't even keep their lights on.
 
Natural gas lines have no heaters. A rather dangerous combination, you see.

You might be right, maybe the story is that the gas must be kept moving to prevent a freeze, but in many places it stopped moving because power was shut off to the system so that it could go to homes.....I would need to go back and look....I am sometimes wrong.

But the bottom line I am not wrong about, the gas system freezes were majorly caused by decisions made at the time by the people in charge, they either were completely incompetent or else they simply did not give a fuck.
 
Yes that was bad we didn't build the grid for that kind of a winter storm because there has never been a winter storm that was that cold that wide spread and for that long.
Uh...did you forget the blizzards of 1957, 1960, 1985, 2015 or the State wide ice storms of 1899 and again in 2017?
It broke records all over the state.
Just the records since 2017 or 1899.
A big problem is the natural gas producers froze up and couldn't deliver fuel to the electric plants. AA never before problem in the state.
Always a problem with natural gas. All natural gas has some water vapor in it.
Then ice storms froze up the blades on several wind generators knocking them out.
Wind generators are susceptible to icing conditions. They must be shut down or the machine will destroy itself. Twits that advocate wind power don't seem to recognize that.
It was a bad one I had to start my Generac and we were fine.
Good that you had one.

Unfortunately, that helps no one but you. The cities of Texas have all seen substantial increases in population since the 60's, and they don't have that option.
Worse, the problems with relying on wind power were made all too obvious during that last freeze.
 
You might be right, maybe the story is that the gas must be kept moving to prevent a freeze, but in many places it stopped moving because power was shut off to the system so that it could go to homes.....I would need to go back and look....I am sometimes wrong.

But the bottom line I am not wrong about, the gas system freezes were majorly caused by decisions made at the time by the people in charge, they either were completely incompetent or else they simply did not give a fuck.

Nope. It's a normal weakness of natural gas delivery networks.

Many folks up north, where such freezes are common, have their own personal propane systems. Much less of a problem. For what natural gas networks they do have, they are much careful about leaving equipment better protected against freezing conditions. Such valves are usually buried, for example.
 
LOL I wasn't even in the country in '66 I was in Australia. In any event, the outages are all local here until the power companies figure out how to deal with trees and wind.

I don't know where @Hawkeye10 got his news we're trying to do away with hydroelectric. It's a huge deal up here - we're not phasing it out anytime soon.

He is describing conditions in the SDTC and assuming it pervades all the West coast. As you correctly point out -- no, we're not getting rid of hydroelectric power here anytime soon. It's cheap and plentiful.

He is also describing the desire of the Woke mob to destroy any hydroelectric system they can find. They've been very successful in doing that in the SDTC since the king there is also Woke.
 
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You might be right, maybe the story is that the gas must be kept moving to prevent a freeze, but in many places it stopped moving because power was shut off to the system so that it could go to homes.....I would need to go back and look....I am sometimes wrong.

But the bottom line I am not wrong about, the gas system freezes were majorly caused by decisions made at the time by the people in charge, they either were completely incompetent or else they simply did not give a fuck.

Mostly because they don't give a fuck. Gas valves there are exposed above ground. They are easier and cheaper to maintain that way. They don't give a fuck because they don't have to.

Texas normally doesn't experience freezes like that. It occasionally happens, but not often enough to give a fuck.
 
Interesting:

Texas gas supply plummeted during last weekend's cold snap. That spells trouble for the grid.
January 5, 2022

After last winter's big blackout, Texas state officials vowed to keep natural gas flowing during the next freeze. Failures along the gas supply chain were one of the main causes of the blackout: After all, if fuel can’t get to power plants, power can’t get to Texans.

Almost a year after that historic power failure, the state’s natural gas system has been tested by a far milder cold spell. Some energy experts say it did not pass the test.

According to estimates from Bloomberg and other industry analysis, Texas gas production dropped by around 20% as the cold front arrived last weekend. It was the largest decrease in supply since February’s winter storm. The reason, according to documents filed with the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, includes equipment breaking down in the freezing temperatures.

Unlike in February, the supply disruption did not translate into problems for the state’s electric grid. But, energy experts say, it shows that Texas has more work to do to safeguard its energy infrastructure against weather-related blackouts.

“The energy system is not ready yet,” said Michael Webber, a professor of energy resources and mechanical engineering at UT Austin. “If it can't handle the cold we had last week, then it's not ready for another Winter Storm Uri event, that's for sure.”

After last year’s storm, Texas lawmakers passed laws to require certain parts of the state’s energy system to “winterize.” Texas power plants had new mandates to prepare for the cold this winter. Gas producers and suppliers did not.

State oil and gas regulators at the Railroad Commission of Texas will announce their gas winterization standards sometime around the middle of the year. They may not become law until months later.
https://www.kut.org/energy-environm...ds-cold-snap-that-spells-trouble-for-the-grid
 
Mostly because they don't give a fuck. Gas valves there are exposed above ground. They are easier and cheaper to maintain that way. They don't give a fuck because they don't have to.

Texas normally doesn't experience freezes like that. It occasionally happens, but not often enough to give a fuck.

I will attempt to document my claim that Texas power officials turned off power to the gas system in such a way that they caused freezes, which meant that gas generation of electricity needed to shut down because they could not get fuel. I was sure that this is the story, and that it has been kept on the hush hush because power does not want the people to know that a lot of the misery was self inflicted, not because of the state of the systems or the weather, but from what officials decided to do at the time.
 
The Texas grid didn't fail. It became overloaded due to unforeseen circumstances tied to usual maintenance schedules and unusually hot weather, causing people to use their air conditioning systems more.
It's not normally this hot in Texas this time of year.

I'm retiring in TX in a few years and I'm afraid "hotter than normal" is about to be the new normal.
 
Hmmm

From February 8 through 20, 2021, loss of power to natural gas wellheads and processing facilities was primarily due to a combination of weather-related power outages and firm load shed. The majority of natural gas production/supply declines in Oklahoma, northern andwestern Texas occurred before February 15, the first day on which firm load shed occurred, while the majority of the production declines in central, eastern, and southern Texas and Louisiana occurred on and after February 15. Sixty percent of the units affected by natural gas supply reductions had already experienced outages, derates, or failures to startby February 14, before any firm load had been shed, and 32 percent had fuel supply issues during both periods.

The manual load shed plans of Transmission Operators and automatic underfrequency load shed plans of Transmission Owners and Distribution Providers within the ERCOT footprint were designed to avoid controlled power outages to priority or critical electric loads if the need to shed firm load arose. However, most of the natural gas production and processing facilities surveyed by the inquiry team were not identified as critical loads or otherwise protected from manual load shedding. Thus, from earlyFebruary 15 through February 18, the implementation of manual firm load shed by ERCOT operators to preserve bulk-power system reliability partially contributed to the decline in the production of natural gas. In this Event, natural gas pipelines were only minimally affected by power outages (because most have backup power) and were largely able to meet their firm transportation commitments. This was not an event that tested the capacity of the natural gas transportation system, as the 2011 event did, because the natural gas pipeline transportation system’s inputs (production and processing) and the demand (natural gas-fired generating units) experienced massive losses.

Pages 13/14

https://www.ferc.gov/media/february...preliminary-findings-and-recommendations-full
 
I see post 119 as contradictory....load shedding natural gas system assets either was a major problem or it was not.

I was under the impression that it was.

In another place this report also says that it was.
 
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