A well-armed militia

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch,

Once the precedent is set, what other rights should be dumped as outdated? Voting by idiots? We need a test before voting. Same for elected officials.

A completely different subject which has nothing to do with what we were talking about. Total whataboutism.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Flash,

How does that change anything? There is nothing keeping Congress and the states from passing gun regulation laws now. They choose not to do so (although states vary in their level of regulation).

You don't think if the 2nd is repealed it would change anything?

OK, no problem. We should proceed in that case.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hello Dutch,



A completely different subject which has nothing to do with what we were talking about. Total whataboutism.

Sorry, Ms. Poli, but I disagree. There are short term results and long term results. Had those who favored Prohibition (18th Amendment) considered the long term results and damage it caused, it would have saved our nation a lot of grief that continues today through organized crime.

Same goes for the "War on Drugs" which only enriched criminals and gave rise to the Drug Cartels, some of which have more money that many nations.

My position is that banning is wrong and leads to more problems than it solves as noted in the two examples above. Be it banning books, abortion, gay marriage or guns, using government to restrict freedom is going against the finest ideals of our Founders and nation. As such, it causes "feel good" short term results and a lot of long term pain for all Americans.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hello Flash,



You don't think if the 2nd is repealed it would change anything?

OK, no problem. We should proceed in that case.

Repealing any Amendment is highly unlikely now as is passing any Amendment. The nation is too divided between two extreme ideas but both of which seek to impose restrictions on the unalienable rights of all Americans.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch,

Sorry, Ms. Poli, but I disagree. There are short term results and long term results. Had those who favored Prohibition (18th Amendment) considered the long term results and damage it caused, it would have saved our nation a lot of grief that continues today through organized crime.

Same goes for the "War on Drugs" which only enriched criminals and gave rise to the Drug Cartels, some of which have more money that many nations.

My position is that banning is wrong and leads to more problems than it solves as noted in the two examples above. Be it banning books, abortion, gay marriage or guns, using government to restrict freedom is going against the finest ideals of our Founders and nation. As such, it causes "feel good" short term results and a lot of long term pain for all Americans.

That's a good argument but there are still pressing unresolved questions.

Some things have to be off limits to the public. What goes on that list?

And...

How do we reduce gun violence to an acceptable level?

We should not have to live with this.

Also note: I said nothing about banning guns. Automatic weapons? Weapons of war? No. They do not belong in public.

Today's weapons are far more lethal than anything which could have been imagined by the authors of the Constitution. It is up to us to maintain our national defining documents to reflect the age we live in. The authors intended that we do so. The 2nd guarantees the right to own nuclear ICBMs. How long will it be until we have an Elon Musk type individual who decides that's what he wants?

We have to have more modern regulation.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch,

Repealing any Amendment is highly unlikely now as is passing any Amendment. The nation is too divided between two extreme ideas but both of which seek to impose restrictions on the unalienable rights of all Americans.

Actually, the nation is strongly in favor of the stronger background checks which cannot pass the Senate. The NRA blocks it. Yes, they are that powerful. What are we going to do about it?

 

[Cypress]

That's already regulated. Ramos broke the law when he entered school grounds with weapons. Actually firing those weapons added more penalties.

I don't trust extremists or liars; MAGA nutjobs included. Why must I and my family pay for their mistakes?

Open carry advocates are continuously pushing the boundaries of where any gun owner can carry locked and loaded weapons.

Regulation of where you can carry weapons in public, or sensible regulation of what type of armaments one can own, is not unconstitutional, and therefore does not infringe on freedom.

The people in the OP weren't garden variety losers. They were supposedly the best trained and safest gun owners in America, even deemed qualified enough to be gun safety instructors, and they still ended up shooting people by accident

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hello Dutch,

Actually, the nation is strongly in favor of the stronger background checks which cannot pass the Senate. The NRA blocks it. Yes, they are that powerful. What are we going to do about it?

While the Democrats love to demonize the NRA as the reason for Congress failing to pass legislation, IMO, the true reason is that no one trusts Democrats.

Example, I've asked dozens of Democrat who favor more gun control the question below. Most never replied at all:

"If President Obama's 2013 Gun Control Bill had passed, would you agree that it would solve gun problems in America or would you see it as a stepping stone to stronger gun control later?"

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Open carry advocates are continuously pushing the boundaries of where any gun owner can carry locked and loaded weapons.

Regulation of where you can carry weapons in public, or sensible regulation of what type of armaments one can own, is not unconstitutional, and therefore does not infringe on freedom.

The people in the OP weren't garden variety losers. They were supposedly the best trained and safest gun owners in America, even deemed qualified enough to be gun safety instructors, and they still ended up shooting people by accident

Why do you think that is?

 

[Neoclitorus]

While the Democrats love to demonize the NRA as the reason for Congress failing to pass legislation, IMO, the true reason is that no one trusts Democrats.

Example, I've asked dozens of Democrat who favor more gun control the question below. Most never replied at all:

"If President Obama's 2013 Gun Control Bill had passed, would you agree that it would solve gun problems in America or would you see it as a stepping stone to stronger gun control later?"

it's too bad you're ultimately with the gun grabbers....

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch,

While the Democrats love to demonize the NRA as the reason for Congress failing to pass legislation, IMO, the true reason is that no one trusts Democrats.

Example, I've asked dozens of Democrat who favor more gun control the question below. Most never replied at all:

"If President Obama's 2013 Gun Control Bill had passed, would you agree that it would solve gun problems in America or would you see it as a stepping stone to stronger gun control later?"

It's a set-up question designed to illicit a losing answer either way. No politician would answer such a question.

No, it won't solve the problem. Yes, stronger measures would need to be enacted when they could possibly pass.

The question I would like answered would be how many people have to die before we can get past this vocal minority and do something effective about our out of control gun problem?

 

[Matt Dillon]

When I went to high school, I accepted the risk of getting injured on the football field, I accepted the risk of being run over by a car walking to school.

I don't think I should have been forced to accept the risk of being accidently shot by teachers and janitors who are locked and loaded.

Did you have a gun safety class?

Could students have firearms in their vehicles when they went to school?

 

[Neoclitorus]

Hello Dutch,



It's a set-up question designed to illicit a losing answer either way. No politician would answer such a question.

No, it won't solve the problem. Yes, stronger measures would need to be enacted when they could possibly pass.

The question I would like answered would be how many people have to die before we can get past this vocal minority and do something effective about our out of control gun problem?

IT's actually a good question..

Politicians wouldn't answer because they're all liars.

 

[RB 60]

it only seems funny because you have invented a caricature of me in your mind.

I don't care if you need a a penis compensator in your car, home, or private property. I just don't trust MAGA fat asses to not accidentally shoot someone in a public library, in a classroom, or in a hospital.

And you of me.

Compensateor? Ain't nothin' better than the real thing, is there? Since you're equating my firearms to some sort of sexual fantasy of yours

Oh, and it wasn't one of those MAGA fat asses,as you call them, who shoots up schools. It's your millennials. What do they teach in our schools these days?

 

[Cypress]

Why do you think that is?

Why do I think what is? I wrote several different points in that post.

 

[Cypress]

And you of me.

Compensateor? Ain't nothin' better than the real thing, is there? Since you're equating my firearms to some sort of sexual fantasy of yours

Oh, and it wasn't one of those MAGA fat asses,as you call them, who shoots up schools. It's your millennials. What do they teach in our schools these days?

I would be surprised if I ever wrote anything about your personal life, other than your steadfast support of the worst president in modern American history.

When I write about MAGA fat asses, that is not a comment about you personally, unless you take it personally because you are overweight and full on MAGA.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hello Dutch,

It's a set-up question designed to illicit a losing answer either way. No politician would answer such a question.

No, it won't solve the problem. Yes, stronger measures would need to be enacted when they could possibly pass.

The question I would like answered would be how many people have to die before we can get past this vocal minority and do something effective about our out of control gun problem?

Set up? It's a simple question to you and, you, like everyone else, ran from it because both of us know the answer: it's a stepping stone to additional gun control.

After all, if limiting magazines to 10 rounds is good, then limiting them to 5 rounds is better, right? If banning scary-looking semi-autos is good then banning all semi-autos is better, right?

This is what I mean about distrusting the Democratic agenda. If it makes you feel any better, I don't trust the Republicans either. LOL

Better to maintain the status quo than trust a liar even once.

 

[RB 60]

I would be surprised if I ever wrote anything about your personal life, other than your steadfast support of the worst president in modern American history.

When I write about MAGA fat asses, that is not a comment about you personally, unless you take it personally because you are overweight and full on MAGA.

Go back and read what you wrote. The worst in modern American history? Read the numbers before the Chinese Disease shut down the whole f'ing world.

Did I support Trump over Biden? Yep. Sure did. I was better off 3 years ago than I am now, and so was my country's reputation. so there's that...

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch,

Set up? It's a simple question to you and, you, like everyone else, ran from it because both of us know the answer: it's a stepping stone to additional gun control.

After all, if limiting magazines to 10 rounds is good, then limiting them to 5 rounds is better, right? If banning scary-looking semi-autos is good then banning all semi-autos is better, right?

This is what I mean about distrusting the Democratic agenda. If it makes you feel any better, I don't trust the Republicans either. LOL

Better to maintain the status quo than trust a liar even once.

Before you claim I ran from the question you might want to read my very direct answer to both parts of it.

 

[Matt Dillon]

Teacher accidentally fires gun and injures student during safety lesson
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/14/us/california-teacher-fires-gun/index.html

N Carolina Sheriff: Gun instructor accidentally shoots self
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...5aff4c59-d8c9-5ce1-9079-42a157e5f011.amp.html

Michigan firearms instructor accidentally shoots student in both legs
https://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/2017/05/michigan_firearms_instructor_a.html

Ohio Gun-safety instructor accidentally shoots student
https://sunny95.com/news/gun-safety-instructor-accidentally-shoots-student/

Gun Range Instructor Accidentally Shoots Woman While Teaching Her
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wbig.i...accidentally-shoots-woman-while-teaching-her/

Gun-Trained Teacher Accidentally Shoots Gun In Calif. High School Classroom
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...lly-shoots-gun-in-calif-high-school-classroom

Working at a carnival doesn't count

Dump the second.

It's out dated.

It causes more hurt to America than good.

Hello Dutch,



That's a good argument but there are still pressing unresolved questions.

Some things have to be off limits to the public. What goes on that list?

And...

How do we reduce gun violence to an acceptable level?

We should not have to live with this.

Also note: I said nothing about banning guns. Automatic weapons? Weapons of war? No. They do not belong in public.

Today's weapons are far more lethal than anything which could have been imagined by the authors of the Constitution. It is up to us to maintain our national defining documents to reflect the age we live in. The authors intended that we do so. The 2nd guarantees the right to own nuclear ICBMs. How long will it be until we have an Elon Musk type individual who decides that's what he wants?

We have to have more modern regulation.

Hello Dutch,



It's a set-up question designed to illicit a losing answer either way. No politician would answer such a question.

No, it won't solve the problem. Yes, stronger measures would need to be enacted when they could possibly pass.

The question I would like answered would be how many people have to die before we can get past this vocal minority and do something effective about our out of control gun problem?

You motherfuckers need to go to Chile, for real.