Political Theater

Phantasmal said:
I bet you are right about the pardon. It wouldn’t surprise me.
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Maybe Cruz's Cancun trip was a recon mission. What are the extradition relations with Mexico like these days? I can see political refugees being okay but harboring a traitor might sour relations.
 
dukkha said:
gawd almighty how can you be this uniformed?
it's illegal for anyone to store classified information in an unauthorized way, like on an unauthorized personal email server.
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Except for the fact that most, if not all of the "classified" information on HRC's server had been publicly known for some time.

Just because a piece of information has never been declassified, does not mean that it is secret.

There are literally tons of documents that are still classified, decades after the contents have been reported and published in major newspapers around the world and are common knowledge.

So a document or a bit of information can be technically classified, but discussing it in an email as HRC did, is not a crime or a security breach.

But of course the Repugnants and Hillary haters will never mention that little tidbit.

Which is typical of the kind of slimy, misinformation and propaganda campaigns the Repugnant party is known for.

Technically they can't be accused of "lying", but the "truth" they tell is only half there and even that half is usually distorted.

And of course, willing dupes and tools like the Trumpsuckers are more than happy to gobble it up.
 
Grokmaster said:
Being fed nonstop lies is what NBC, CBS ABC , CNN and MSNBC viewers are conditioned to accept.


Trump-Russia, "Russian Disinformation"...etc....etc,....etc


You moronic dupes gobble up whatever LIES you are spoonfed...the Jan 06 charade is just another example.
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Well, if only that were true, what I saw was testimony, primarily from Republicans about Trump last night. I didn’t listen to commentary, I just watched the hearings. Everyone was under oath to tell the truth, too.
 
Nomad said:
Except for the fact that most, if not all of the "classified" information on HRC's server had been publicly known for some time.

Just because a piece of information has never been declassified, does not mean that it is secret.

There are literally tons of documents that are still classified, decades after the contents have been reported and published in major newspapers around the world and are common knowledge.

So a document or a bit of information can be technically classified, but discussing it in an email as HRC did, is not a crime or a security breach.

But of course the Repugnants and Hillary haters will never mention that little tidbit.

Which is typical of the kind of slimy, misinformation and propaganda campaigns the Repugnant party is known for.

Technically they can't be accused of "lying", but the "truth" they tell is only half there and even that half is usually distorted.

And of course, willing dupes and tools like the Trumpsuckers are more than happy to gobble it up.
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you fucking idiot. there were 'C" and "S" markings on some of the Email
She also was required to take a course in classified handling
She was warned over and over not to use her Blackberry
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-the-state-department-classifies-information/
Investigators found 110 emails in 52 chains in Clinton's determined to contain classified email at the time they were sent, in direct contrast to Clinton's message for months that she did not send or receive emails mark classified at the time. But Comey did not recommend the Justice Department press any charges against Clinton, saying investigators did not find "clear evidence Secretary Clinton intended to violate the law."
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
If you send me an email that has classified information I am not the one that broke the law. In fact, I couldn't be charged with any crimes since I didn't knowingly remove the classified information from its rightful place or give it to unauthorized persons. I couldn't even be charged with gross negligence. The only way I could be charged is if you have clearly informed me that what you sent me is classified. Just because you know it is classified when you sent it doesn't mean I know when I receive it.

You think you know stuff, but you clearly don't. The law requires that to prove guilt you have to prove intent on the part of the person that has the classified information. Simply having the classified information is not a crime unless and until you can show actual intent. The reason Hillary was not charged is that the requirement under the law was not possible to prove based on the evidence.
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Good points but if I were to send you classified information one would assume that you are cleared for subject information and would be knowledgeable enough to suspect said information is possibly classified and it is required of you to secure such info and notify the sender. Any less makes you lible for prosecution.
 
dukkha said:
you fucking idiot. there were 'C" and "S" markings on some of the Email
She also was required to take a course in classified handling
She was warned over and over not to use her Blackberry
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-the-state-department-classifies-information/
Investigators found 110 emails in 52 chains in Clinton's determined to contain classified email at the time they were sent, in direct contrast to Clinton's message for months that she did not send or receive emails mark classified at the time. But Comey did not recommend the Justice Department press any charges against Clinton, saying investigators did not find "clear evidence Secretary Clinton intended to violate the law."
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And none of it was anything that wasn't publicly known, idiot.

Comey himself said there was nothing to charge or prosecute her for which is why he DIDN'T.

The Comey letter was a political hit job and simple-minded retards like you fell for it.
 
Nomad said:
Except for the fact that most, if not all of the "classified" information on HRC's server had been publicly known for some time.

Just because a piece of information has never been declassified, does not mean that it is secret.

There are literally tons of documents that are still classified, decades after the contents have been reported and published in major newspapers around the world and are common knowledge.

So a document or a bit of information can be technically classified, but discussing it in an email as HRC did, is not a crime or a security breach.

But of course the Repugnants and Hillary haters will never mention that little tidbit.

Which is typical of the kind of slimy, misinformation and propaganda campaigns the Repugnant party is known for.

Technically they can't be accused of "lying", but the "truth" they tell is only half there and even that half is usually distorted.

And of course, willing dupes and tools like the Trumpsuckers are more than happy to gobble it up.
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Comey himself pointed out her "negligence"....which, had she been anyone but Hillary Clinton would have resulted in at least a censure if not actual charges.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Comey himself pointed out her "negligence"....which, had she been anyone but Hillary Clinton would have resulted in at least a censure if not actual charges.
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No intent = no crime.

There have been worse cases involving the actual removal of physical documents from secure facilities that weren't prosecuted.

The bar for prosecution in these cases is much higher than just sending and receiving emails on a private server.

The classified information was no longer secret.

It was all much ado about nothing and designed by the Repugnant party to keep her from becoming President.
 
Nomad said:
No intent = no crime.

There have been worse cases involving the actual removal of physical documents from secure facilities that weren't prosecuted.

The bar for prosecution in these cases is much higher than just sending and receiving emails on a private server.

The classified information was no longer secret.

It was all much ado about nothing and designed by the Repugnant party to keep her from becoming President.
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Intent = crime. Hillary was either extremely stupid or lying. I don't believe she's stupid.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Comey himself pointed out her "negligence"....which, had she been anyone but Hillary Clinton would have resulted in at least a censure if not actual charges.
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Lol, it’s not up to Comey, FBI investigates, it doesn’t prosecute.

He also said “extremely careless” not negligent, later he changed it to “really sloppy”.

Nothing was criminal or deserved censure.
 
Phantasmal said:
Lol, it’s not up to Comey, FBI investigates, it doesn’t prosecute.

He also said “extremely careless” not negligent, later he changed it to “really sloppy”.

Nothing was criminal or deserved censure.
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Agreed 100%. This is why the idiots who blame Comey for not charging Hillary don't know what they are talking about. It was Loretta Lynch's call.

From his testimony: "Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information."

That's both enough to charge someone and to censure them. If I'd been accused of being "extremely careless" in handling classified material, I'd be facing a court-martial.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Intent = crime. Hillary was either extremely stupid or lying. I don't believe she's stupid.
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She did nothing others including Colin Powell didn't do.

The ony difference was that her server was private and in her house, rather than some other non-secure public server like Powell et al used.

It still boils down to the fact that even if some of the info she discussed via email was from documents marked marked C or S, it doesn't mean there was a security breach because a lot of classified information is just never declassified even years after it becomes widely known.

She never jeopardized national security and as Comey pointed out, never displayed any criminal intent to pass govt secrets on to unauthorized recipients.

Nothing complicated about it other than the devious way the Repugnants twisted it around to make it sound 10,000x worse than it was.
 
Mina said:
I actually laughed out loud this morning when reading the news. Ted Cruz labeled the January 6 hearings "theater." That accusation from any modern Republican is hilarious. Republicans in Congress have pretty much abandoned the idea of governing for years, and spend the majority of their time on various Kabuki productions designed to create segments for Fox News. Consider the major hearings they held regarding a piece of I.T. trivia: years earlier, the Secretary of State had used a personal email server for work and, for some reason, this was treated as a matter requiring the rapt attention of Congress for months. Now compare to the January 6 insurrection attempt: it was a violent attack on our nation's capital, meant to overturn our democracy, which sent countless to the hospital and a few to the morgue. A hearing about THAT is what he denounces at theater?!
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The Republicans had the chance to show they were defenders of the constitution, like Cruz pretends to be. They were calling for an investigation right after.. then.. the trump base told them to shut up and claim 1/6 was just a "tour".

So clear to see what happened.

The facts were broadcast to 20 million people last night. All the Repubs can do now is sit back and throw darts at the process, not the facts, as they did during the 2 impeachments.

Republicans are all Nazi traitors.
 
Mina said:
I hope you're right, that the Dems hold the Senate. My take on things is unusual, though, in that I think that the strength of the economy actually plays against the Democrats. Lots of people are pushing up into higher tax brackets, with the dramatic nominal wage growth, and meanwhile with unemployment rates well below 4%, much of the public is in a mindset where they think they're never going to need public assistance. That defines a battlefield that's really disadvantageous to a party that fights against upper-class tax cuts and defends the welfare state.
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The Dems are going to INCRESE their numbers in both houses. This is a disaster for the Repubs.
 
Mina said:
Could well be. From my personal perspective, that may actually be good, since I'm young, able-bodied, and wealthy, so the kinds of things Republicans support (tax breaks for the rich) could help me more in the short and medium terms than any hits to the kinds of things they oppose (e.g., government support for poorer people and the disabled.). The more Republican power, the worse for the human race in the longer term, for environmental reasons, but more immediately it just hurts the vulnerable, and that's not me.
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How wealthy are you? Are you married? I'm a good "pool boy" type companion! :)

The Repubs stand for nothing except domination of American and the vanquishing of any opposing views. They are the Taliban now. Plain and simple. They're traitors, they hate and are afraid of their own voters.
 
Sawyerloggingon said:
It was made for TV political theater and if it was a Broadway show it would be shut down immediately. A complete flop.
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I want to give you a "thanks". Just cause I almost wet myself laughing at you. But site decorum precludes that activity :)

Thanks for the laugh, man. 20 million viewers dude. There is NO mistaking what happened now. The cult is done!
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
What opposition? That the attack never happened, it was a "legitimate political discourse"? If you really wanted "the other side" to have a voice, did you urge your (R) legislators to form a bipartisan investigating committee? Why didn't you?



You could not be more wrong, but then, that's something you are used to. BTW, nice try deflecting this to Biden. #TrollFailAgain
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Oh, fuck. I had to put that troll on iggy today. I even tried to reason with him. No more reasoning with trolls.. if they come at me with their middle school shit, they're going on permanent ignore. I don't have time for these self-hating trolls.
 
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