In your face propaganda....

[Taichiliberal]

Sorry Pinhead.... Projecting again? See that therapist, man.A "pool photographer" is a photographer that is REQUIRED to share ALL his PICTURES with ALL news organizations that could not travel to the combat area......like I said before, nobody cares but I noticed you totally skipped over my point.....NO photograph is released unless approved by military and/or White House when EXCLUSIVELY covering a Presidential jaunt. And as I stated earlier, and you cannot refute, the photo when originally released was NOT tagged as "President joking around pretending to serve a turkey". See genius, it wasn't a big thing, but by LYING to the public, it became one. Don't blame me, the Dems, liberals, etc. Blame the Shrub's PR people for not setting things right off the start ...as of now, ONE PINHEAD... Again, you keep projecting when it's unnecessary. Your postings have proven long ago your limited mental capabilities and your insipid stubborness.


Are you seriously gonna compare what a hospital staff wears while on the job IN A HOSPITAL, with the costumed idiots that were asked to POSE for pictures on the White House lawn in the little "doctor outfits" ????

Are you fuckin' serious.....if so ...you're even a bigger pinhead than I previously thought.....

Okay, let me dumb it down for you....AGAIN. The whole purpose of the doctors wearing their whites like they do when on duty was to EMPHASIZE FOR THE PHOTO OP, that they were real doctors. The FACT that THESE WERE REAL DOCTORS, AND THAT SOME OF THEM SHOWED UP AT THE PRESS MEETING WITH THEIR WHITES SIGNIFIES THAT THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING. So when those who didn't were supplied with such, it was no different than say a bunch of ex-cops or military showing up to endorse something and then being supplied with uniforms for effect.

Your childish denial of a simple fact and the logic derived from them in order to maintain some assinine viewpoint that doesn't apply to the reality of the situation borders on emotional if not mental instability.

Now you can parrot this dreck in various forms and "pinhead" yourself silly, but frankly, you're just a stubborn child stamping his feet in frustration. So unless you've actually got a NEW logical or fact based angle to discuss, I'll just leave you to Pin your Head to your usual BS.

 

[NOVA]

One more shot for readers interested in the truth....and for the pinhead,

Sorry Pinhead, the pool photog. is there because 20 or 30 regular news photogs. could not be accommodated in a war zone.
No one approves of what pictures he takes as long as troop security isn't at risk...here is IMMEDIATE coverage of the Bush trip.....

Heres pictures of visit...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/photo_gallery/3245344.stm

Bush visited the troops on 11/27
Coverage the DAY AFTER the Bush visit....

Here is left-wing coverage of visit...11/28/03
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1128-01.htm
The only mention of Bush posing with turkey follows..
"In spectacular vote-winning form, he posed with a platter of roast turkey."
------------
Here is Fox News coverage....11/28/03
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,104246,00.html
Only mention of Bush posing with turkey follows.....
Bush stood in a chow line and dished out sweet potatoes and corn for Thanksgiving dinner and posed with a platter of fresh-baked turkey.
-------------------------
Here is BBC coverage.....11/28/03
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3245584.stm
There is no mention of Bush posing with turkey...
-------------------------------------------------------
TRUTHFUL coverage of the visit was in the news the day after the visit.....
===========================
It wasn't until a month later that left-wing bloggers and the normal left-wing smear machine got into action...
The Plastic Turkey ?....
Model used by butchers and Hollywood set-dressers. ?
Bush Serves a Plastic Turkey ?

All lies by the Democratic smear machine...
Its wasn't plastic,
it wasn't a model
Bush wasn't "serving" this turkey....

As with all left-wing smear jobs, the left wing media makes sure its in the news for days and weeks after the event....this is how the lie gets a life of its own and persists...in this case, even until today
Hundreds of lies about Bush persist today because of the quality of left wing, Democrat propaganda, and MSM collaboration....

 

[NOVA]

Okay, let me dumb it down for you....AGAIN. The whole purpose of the doctors wearing their whites like they do when on duty was to EMPHASIZE FOR THE PHOTO OP, that they were real doctors. The FACT that THESE WERE REAL DOCTORS, AND THAT SOME OF THEM SHOWED UP AT THE PRESS MEETING WITH THEIR WHITES SIGNIFIES THAT THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

Now you're gonna imply the folks would have questioned whether they were REAL DOCTORS because if they weren't wearing their "doctor uniforms" viewers would think they might not be real doctors...is this what you're telling us...??? (YOU ARE A FREEKIN' CLOWN)
Some brought their "doctor uniforms" because they were instructed to bring them by Obamabot staffers, you fool....ITS IN YOUR FACE PROPAGANDA, and you're too freekin' braindead to realize it...

So when those who didn't were supplied with such, it was no different than say a bunch of ex-cops or military showing up to endorse something and then being supplied with uniforms for effect.

Ex-cops posing as REAL cops (for effect) is PROPAGANDA, you moron !


Your childish denial of a simple fact and the logic derived from them in order to maintain some assinine viewpoint that doesn't apply to the reality of the situation borders on emotional if not mental instability.

Now you can parrot this dreck in various forms and "pinhead" yourself silly, but frankly, you're just a stubborn child stamping his feet in frustration. So unless you've actually got a NEW logical or fact based angle to discuss, I'll just leave you to Pin your Head to your usual BS.

How the fuck do you manage to walk and talk at the same time, ...or can you ?

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Okay, let me dumb it down for you....AGAIN. The whole purpose of the doctors wearing their whites like they do when on duty was to EMPHASIZE FOR THE PHOTO OP, that they were real doctors. The FACT that THESE WERE REAL DOCTORS, AND THAT SOME OF THEM SHOWED UP AT THE PRESS MEETING WITH THEIR WHITES SIGNIFIES THAT THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

Now you're gonna imply the folks would have questioned whether they were REAL DOCTORS because if they weren't wearing their "doctor uniforms" viewers would think they might not be real doctors...is this what you're telling us...??? (YOU ARE A FREEKIN' learn to spell, you fool...your childish insults may carry more weight in the future. CLOWN)
Some brought their "doctor uniforms" because they were instructed to bring them by Obamabot staffers, you fool....ITS IN YOUR FACE PROPAGANDA, and you're too freekin' braindead to realize it...

You keep screaming about propaganda......Since the physicians ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH OBAMA'S proposal, and CHOSE to participate in a photo op/video record of a stump speech putting forth those ideals to the public, then they agreed to were the jackets...it drives home the message...neocon morons like you are wailing propaganda because they wore them...are you trying to tell me that they shouldn't have? Why not? And if they didn't want to, where is the proof that Obama's people forced them to? Surely by now, disgruntled parties would have found a ready platform to voice their dilema in the conservative media? Or are you just pissed because they make the statement more effective? There are a plethora of commercial endorsements for various causes that use uniforms for the cause they are promoting...hell, the advertising industry is based on the simple concept of visual reinforcement, NOT propaganda. Propaganda is when you put forth a lie....like the Shrub wearing that fighter pilot uniform on that carrier. There was no propaganda on Obama's side on this issue....why don't you look up the word's full definition instead of wasting time with your version of it.

So when those who didn't were supplied with such, it was no different than say a bunch of ex-cops or military showing up to endorse something and then being supplied with uniforms for effect.

Ex-cops posing as REAL cops (for effect) is PROPAGANDA, you moron ! Right here you again demonstrate your incredible stupidity. I DID NOT state that ex-cops or military would pose as active officers, I said they could and can wear their old uniforms to endorse something (usually, the commerical or public service announcement would have the abbreviated word "RET" preceeding their name). Next time, READ CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY (damn, I'm so tired trying to teach dumb toots like you this simple lesson).


Your childish denial of a simple fact and the logic derived from them in order to maintain some assinine viewpoint that doesn't apply to the reality of the situation borders on emotional if not mental instability.

Now you can parrot this dreck in various forms and "pinhead" yourself silly, but frankly, you're just a stubborn child stamping his feet in frustration. So unless you've actually got a NEW logical or fact based angle to discuss, I'll just leave you to Pin your Head to your usual BS.

How the fuck do you manage to walk and talk at the same time, ...or can you ?

Very predictable childish blatherings from an intellectually impotent neocon high on false bravado. Pathetic. You just keep parroting your BS if it helps you sleep, bunky. The rest of the world moves on.

 

[Taichiliberal]

One more shot for readers interested in the truth....and for the pinhead,

Sorry Pinhead, the pool photog. is there because 20 or 30 regular news photogs. could not be accommodated in a war zone.
No one approves of what pictures he takes as long as troop security isn't at risk...here is IMMEDIATE coverage of the Bush trip.....

Heres pictures of visit...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/photo_gallery/3245344.stm

Bush visited the troops on 11/27
Coverage the DAY AFTER the Bush visit....

Here is left-wing coverage of visit...11/28/03
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1128-01.htm
The only mention of Bush posing with turkey follows..
"In spectacular vote-winning form, he posed with a platter of roast turkey."
------------
Here is Fox News coverage....11/28/03
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,104246,00.html
Only mention of Bush posing with turkey follows.....
Bush stood in a chow line and dished out sweet potatoes and corn for Thanksgiving dinner and posed with a platter of fresh-baked turkey.
-------------------------
Here is BBC coverage.....11/28/03
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3245584.stm
There is no mention of Bush posing with turkey...
-------------------------------------------------------
TRUTHFUL coverage of the visit was in the news the day after the visit.....
===========================
It wasn't until a month later that left-wing bloggers and the normal left-wing smear machine got into action...
The Plastic Turkey ?....
Model used by butchers and Hollywood set-dressers. ?
Bush Serves a Plastic Turkey ?

All lies by the Democratic smear machine...
Its wasn't plastic,
it wasn't a model
Bush wasn't "serving" this turkey....

As with all left-wing smear jobs, the left wing media makes sure its in the news for days and weeks after the event....this is how the lie gets a life of its own and persists...in this case, even until today
Hundreds of lies about Bush persist today because of the quality of left wing, Democrat propaganda, and MSM collaboration....

All you've done is regurgitate what has previously been established and acknowledged, as the recorded chronology of the posts show. When all is said and done, your links demonstrate that the Shrub carried a turkey that was NOT part of the food he dished out. The nonsense about the plastic turkey was taken from the fact that the turkey he posed with was NOT carved up by the Shrub and served to the troops, as photos in OTHER news markets and services alluded to.

Like the Shrub's aircraft carrier stunt, his people and the neocon media maintain that all is well and everything you see is reality. Lying about little details that are not true is the undoing of the legacy. To try and equate Obama's promotions and endorsements to the Shrub's BS stunts is just another desperate ploy of the neocons to discredit any and all efforts by the Obama administration, while maintaining the fantasy of the Shrub's 8 dismal years. That you are just another squawking parrot of that nonsense is no big surprise. Carry on.

 

[NOVA]

I see you don't even have a clue what propaganda is, what the word means, or how its spread....

Propaganda is communication aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position. As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the attitude toward the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda.

Some Techniques:

* Ad nauseam (your approach)

This argument approach uses tireless repetition of an idea. An idea, especially a simple slogan, that is repeated enough times, may begin to be taken as the truth. This approach works best when media sources are limited and controlled by the propagator.( repeated over and over, with msm collaboration)

* Appeal to authority

Appeals to authority cite prominent figures to support a position, idea, argument, or course of action. (oh my, oh my....they're "real" doctors)

* Appeal to fear

Appeals to fear seek to build support by instilling anxieties and panic in the general population, for example, Joseph Goebbels exploited Theodore Kaufman's Germany Must Perish! to claim that the Allies sought the extermination of the German people.
( Oh dear me, we have a crisis in healthcare, people are dying on the streets) what crap!

* Appeal to prejudice

Using loaded or emotive terms to attach value or moral goodness to believing the proposition.(see above)

* Bandwagon

Bandwagon and "inevitable-victory" appeals attempt to persuade the target audience to join in and take the course of action that "everyone else is taking."

* Inevitable victory: invites those not already on the bandwagon to join those already on the road to certain victory. Those already or at least partially on the bandwagon are reassured that staying aboard is their best course of action.
* Join the crowd: This technique reinforces people's natural desire to be on the winning side. This technique is used to convince the audience that a program is an expression of an irresistible mass movement and that it is in their best interest to join.
(Oh, the polls say everybody say we have to have reform) More bullshit
==========================

That about covers Obamas bullshit photo-op and speech....clearly propaganda....

Back under your rock Pinhead....

 

[NOVA]

All you've done is regurgitate what has previously been established and acknowledged,

What I have established, with undeniable proof, is that news reports 1 day after the Iraq trip tell the facts....1 month later, left-wing blogs post lies that persist as the truth even today...and pinheads, such as yourself, will believe them no matter what proof is presented to you....seems you'll always be a "willfully" narrow-minded ass.....


as the recorded chronology of the posts show. When all is said and done, your links demonstrate that the Shrub carried a turkey that was NOT part of the food he dished out. The nonsense about the plastic turkey was taken from the fact that the turkey he posed with was NOT carved up by the Shrub and served to the troops, as photos in OTHER news markets and services alluded to.

Like the Shrub's aircraft carrier stunt, his people and the neocon media maintain that all is well and everything you see is reality. Lying about little details that are not true is the undoing of the legacy.

There was no lies, except by left-wing spinners...

1. Navy and administration sources said that the banner was the Navy's idea
The president told reporters the sign was put up by the Navy

2. the White House actually made it.

3. "The banner signified the successful completion of the ship's deployment," he said, noting the Abraham Lincoln was deployed 290 days, longer than any other nuclear-powered aircraft carrier in history.

Thats the simple truth of the entire matter

4. Bush was a fighter pilot and indulged himself with plane ride...so what
5. Bush NEVER claimed the sign signified the end of the conflict with Iraq...

These were the lies made up by the Democrats ....and persist today for the reasons I explained above...



To try and equate Obama's promotions and endorsements to the Shrub's BS stunts is just another desperate ploy of the neocons to discredit any and all efforts by the Obama administration, while maintaining the fantasy of the Shrub's 8 dismal years. That you are just another squawking parrot of that nonsense is no big surprise. Carry on.

and as a final note to the under-educated....
Propaganda need not be lies....

 

[belme1201]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/tricky_doctored_photo_kTVWHZ3vEeRQbxCC0TNZHN

WASHINGTON -- President Obama yesterday rolled out the red carpet -- and handed out doctors' white coats as well, just so nobody missed his hard-sell health-care message.

In a heavy-handed attempt at reviving support for health-care reform, the White House orchestrated a massive photo op to buttress its claim that front-line physicians support Obama.

They should also each be given signs that say.

SORRY, I DIDN"T KNOW THIS WAS ALREADY COVERED;
Would that be like a rubber "Thanksgiving" turkey for a 1 hr shoot at a tarmac in Iraq? How about like a "Mission Accomplished!" sign flown in from DC for a show & tell on a carrier in the ME?

 

[belme1201]

Obama's ratings are rising.

.....and like the Nobel prize, it's killing them!

 

[Taichiliberal]

I see you don't even have a clue what propaganda is, what the word means, or how its spread....

Propaganda is communication aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position. As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the attitude toward the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda.

Some Techniques:

* Ad nauseam (your approach)

This argument approach uses tireless repetition of an idea. An idea, especially a simple slogan, that is repeated enough times, may begin to be taken as the truth. This approach works best when media sources are limited and controlled by the propagator.( repeated over and over, with msm collaboration)

* Appeal to authority

Appeals to authority cite prominent figures to support a position, idea, argument, or course of action. (oh my, oh my....they're "real" doctors)

* Appeal to fear

Appeals to fear seek to build support by instilling anxieties and panic in the general population, for example, Joseph Goebbels exploited Theodore Kaufman's Germany Must Perish! to claim that the Allies sought the extermination of the German people.
( Oh dear me, we have a crisis in healthcare, people are dying on the streets) what crap!

* Appeal to prejudice

Using loaded or emotive terms to attach value or moral goodness to believing the proposition.(see above)

* Bandwagon

Bandwagon and "inevitable-victory" appeals attempt to persuade the target audience to join in and take the course of action that "everyone else is taking."

* Inevitable victory: invites those not already on the bandwagon to join those already on the road to certain victory. Those already or at least partially on the bandwagon are reassured that staying aboard is their best course of action.
* Join the crowd: This technique reinforces people's natural desire to be on the winning side. This technique is used to convince the audience that a program is an expression of an irresistible mass movement and that it is in their best interest to join.
(Oh, the polls say everybody say we have to have reform) More bullshit
==========================

That about covers Obamas bullshit photo-op and speech....clearly propaganda....

Back under your rock Pinhead....

Unlike you, I'm honest enough to reference my source material, then let people know what my personal analysis is:


By Merriam-Webster:

Propaganda

2 : the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3 : ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect


So According to this, propaganda is pretty much anything that has come forth from either political party during campaigns and terms of administration. The trick is to identify what are lies and misleading "information". So by definition, Obama's "propaganda" is no more or less heinous than what the Shrub pulled during his 8 years....unless you count that the whole premise of invading Iraq was a lie www.bushlies.net Also, since NONE of the doctors involved in Obama's were misrepresented in any way by wearing whites, your bellyaching and whining is pointless. And since NONE of the news items you sourced provided a photo with the caption of the Shrub "horsing around" with a ceremonial turkey, the impression is that was the one he carved (as the photo was carried by other news services without the detailed articles). His PR people should have been better.

What's hysterical is how you consistently accuse me of what the recorded posts show YOU to be the initiator of. So far, you've repeated the same claims in various forms. My responses are merely to YOUR repetitions...I can't change what you write, and if you're too stupid or stubborn to recognize/admit when you're wrong, that's not my problem.

As for the rest of your blatherings......typical neocon tactic when your intial premise is rendered shaky and implausible when applied to simple fact and logic...if you can't dazzle me with brilliance, you try to deluge me with bullshit. Yeah, we all know the usual collection of BS that neocons claim of anyone who criticizes their propaganda. But since the focus thus far was on Obama's doctor endorsement of his healthcare proposal, your convoluted claptrap just spins off target.

Bottom line: there is a LONG record of the last 8 years where the neocon driven GOP has been guilty of EVERY little ill you list above...that you refuse to acknowledge it is of little consequence. But just keep it up, you intellectually impotent neocon.....you just keep digging your grave deeper.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
All you've done is regurgitate what has previously been established and acknowledged,

What I have established, with undeniable proof, is that news reports 1 day after the Iraq trip tell the facts....1 month later, left-wing blogs post lies that persist as the truth even today...and pinheads, such as yourself, will believe them no matter what proof is presented to you....seems you'll always be a "willfully" narrow-minded ass.....

Thumping your intellectually wimpy chest and squawking the SOS won't make it anymore important. I've already acknowledged that the plastic turkey story was rendered an urban legend...what YOU cannot acknowledge is that the Shrub being photographed with a turkey that was not carved by him and served was presented to the general public like he did. That falsehood gave rise to the fake turkey stories. Hell, even the articles YOU presented do not state in no uncertain terms that the turkey was NOT part of the meal he served. That you neocon toadies cannot even acknowledge that little truth speaks volumes of how weak the Shrub's legacy is.


as the recorded chronology of the posts show. When all is said and done, your links demonstrate that the Shrub carried a turkey that was NOT part of the food he dished out. The nonsense about the plastic turkey was taken from the fact that the turkey he posed with was NOT carved up by the Shrub and served to the troops, as photos in OTHER news markets and services alluded to.

Like the Shrub's aircraft carrier stunt, his people and the neocon media maintain that all is well and everything you see is reality. Lying about little details that are not true is the undoing of the legacy.

There was no lies, except by left-wing spinners...

1. Navy and administration sources said that the banner was the Navy's idea
The president told reporters the sign was put up by the Navy And the Shrub was either lying or uninformed as usual, as was the navy officials at the time.

2. the White House actually made it. No shit sherlock....a simple truth that the Shrub and his cronies denied before reporters got the goods. http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/05/16/nyt.bumiller/


3. "The banner signified the successful completion of the ship's deployment," he said, noting the Abraham Lincoln was deployed 290 days, longer than any other nuclear-powered aircraft carrier in history. Bull fucking shit. Whoever told you this knew he had a sucker on the line. See the above link, get educated.

Thats the simple truth of the entire matter You're simple if you are still swallowing that crap. Hell, everyone was falling over themselves to cover up this obvious jingoistic ploy that wasn't selling to the people. Put this in perspective to the earlier link http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/01/13/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4718462.shtml

4. Bush was a fighter pilot and indulged himself with plane ride...so what
An exaggeration: He trained for 2 out of the 4 years that were needed for the particular fighter jet to be a bonafide fighter pilot. He also did not submit to his physical in 1972 for such training, which got him grounded. He never completed his training.

5. Bush NEVER claimed the sign signified the end of the conflict with Iraq...
This is what he said, "Thank you all very much. Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country.

These were the lies made up by the Democrats ....and persist today for the reasons I explained above...

I just cleared the neocon smokescreen from your recollections, so the truth be known.


To try and equate Obama's promotions and endorsements to the Shrub's BS stunts is just another desperate ploy of the neocons to discredit any and all efforts by the Obama administration, while maintaining the fantasy of the Shrub's 8 dismal years. That you are just another squawking parrot of that nonsense is no big surprise. Carry on.

and as a final note to the under-educated....
Propaganda need not be lies....

Projecting again, bunky? Because you sure as hell were purporting that propaganda was indeed nothing BUT lies, and that they were all on Obama's side. Pay attention to what you previously post...maybe you should "pin" a note to your "head"?

 

[NOVA]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
All you've done is regurgitate what has previously been established and acknowledged,

What I have established, with undeniable proof, is that news reports 1 day after the Iraq trip tell the facts....1 month later, left-wing blogs post lies that persist as the truth even today...and pinheads, such as yourself, will believe them no matter what proof is presented to you....seems you'll always be a "willfully" narrow-minded ass.....

Thumping your intellectually wimpy chest and squawking the SOS won't make it anymore important. I've already acknowledged that the plastic turkey story was rendered an urban legend...what YOU cannot acknowledge is that the Shrub being photographed with a turkey that was not carved by him and served was presented to the general public like he did. That falsehood gave rise to the fake turkey stories.

That falsehood was manufacture by the left wing assholes like yourself...
The Bush admin. never claimed he carved or served the bird he was photoed with...
Your lie from start to finish, so why do you repeat it over and over....


Hell, even the articles YOU presented do not state in no uncertain terms that the turkey was NOT part of the meal he served. That you neocon toadies cannot even acknowledge that little truth speaks volumes of how weak the Shrub's legacy is.

Just like the Bush and his admin. told you from day one....as reported the day after his visit....LEARN TO FUCKIN' READ!

as the recorded chronology of the posts show. When all is said and done, your links demonstrate that the Shrub carried a turkey that was NOT part of the food he dished out. The nonsense about the plastic turkey was taken from the fact that the turkey he posed with was NOT carved up by the Shrub and served to the troops, as photos in OTHER news markets and services alluded to.

Neither Bush nor his admin control the lies from left wing news markets....get someone to explain that simple premise to you, moron

Like the Shrub's aircraft carrier stunt, his people and the neocon media maintain that all is well and everything you see is reality. Lying about little details that are not true is the undoing of the legacy.

There was no lies, except by left-wing spinners...

1. Navy and administration sources said that the banner was the Navy's idea
The president told reporters the sign was put up by the Navy And the Shrub was either lying or uninformed as usual, as was the navy officials at the time.

2. the White House actually made it. No shit sherlock....a simple truth that the Shrub and his cronies denied before reporters got the goods. http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/05/16/nyt.bumiller/


3. "The banner signified the successful completion of the ship's deployment," he said, noting the Abraham Lincoln was deployed 290 days, longer than any other nuclear-powered aircraft carrier in history. Bull fucking shit. Whoever told you this knew he had a sucker on the line. See the above link, get educated.

Thats the simple truth of the entire matter You're simple if you are still swallowing that crap. Hell, everyone was falling over themselves to cover up this obvious jingoistic ploy that wasn't selling to the people. Put this in perspective to the earlier link http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/01...y4718462.shtml

4. Bush was a fighter pilot and indulged himself with plane ride...so what
An exaggeration: He trained for 2 out of the 4 years that were needed for the particular fighter jet to be a bonafide fighter pilot. He also did not submit to his physical in 1972 for such training, which got him grounded. He never completed his training.

5. Bush NEVER claimed the sign signified the end of the conflict with Iraq...
This is what he said, "Thank you all very much. Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country.

These were the lies made up by the Democrats ....and persist today for the reasons I explained above...

I just cleared the neocon smokescreen from your recollections, so the truth be known.


To try and equate Obama's promotions and endorsements to the Shrub's BS stunts is just another desperate ploy of the neocons to discredit any and all efforts by the Obama administration, while maintaining the fantasy of the Shrub's 8 dismal years. That you are just another squawking parrot of that nonsense is no big surprise. Carry on.

Your OPINION is as valid as Obamas Nobel Prize...a joke....

Quote:

Projecting again, bunky? Because you sure as hell were purporting that propaganda was indeed nothing BUT lies, and that they were all on Obama's side. Pay attention to what you previously post...maybe you should "pin" a note to your "head"?

Your reading comprehension is that of a third grader...you don't have a clue what anyone tells you in post...Ray Charles reads better than you do....

 

[zappasguitar]

Wipe the spittle from your screen and pay attention: Calling for Rangels' removal BEFORE an investigation is meaningless political posturing. If and when an investigation finds Rangel guilty of actions that warrant his removal from said position, then I have no problem with him being given the boot from the Ways & Means position. If he resigns before said investigation, then that's that.

My remarks regarding the neocon driven GOP stand, and until you can recalibrate that pinhead of yours to deal with facts and logic rather than substitute your supposition and conjecture, YOU'LL just have to sputter and fume! Carry on, you intellectually impotent piece of neocon bravado, you!

Do you think if I asked him really nicely, if he'd name names and show me which Democrat exactly said "fuck the law" as he has stated?

 

[zappasguitar]

What a freekin joke your are....

"our politicians wouldn't get away with half the nonsense that they do.", YOU say.....????

Your pack of hypocrites in Washington say right to your to your face..."fuck the law"
and you make smug remarks like , "the GOP will just have to stew"......
well, I expect nothing less from you....
Rangel should be living in a cell in Leavenworth...

So, which hypocrite in Washington said right to my face: "fuck the law"?

Can you give me a name or were you just making up more bullsh*t?

 

[NOVA]

So, which hypocrite in Washington said right to my face: "fuck the law"?

Can you give me a name or were you just making up more bullsh*t?

So FAR....(but then whose counting)

1. Rangel, Other Reps, Party in Caribbean With Citi Funds
Friday, January 30, 2009 12:04 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/r...30/176811.html
“Citigroup CHARLIE RANGEL should have also been aware that corporate sponsorship of such an event was banned by House rules adopted on March 1, 2007, in response to the [lobbyist Jack] Abramoff scandal and the infamous golf trip to Scotland.”

2. TAX EVASION...Charley Rangel (D)....investigated for tax fraud and tax evasion
$75,000: the amount of money that the head of the powerful tax-writing committee, Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-NY), was forced to report on his taxes after the discovery that he had not reported income from a Costa Rican rental property. His excuses for the failure started with blaming his wife, then his accountant and finally the fact that he didn't speak Spanish.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2008/09/rangel_vows_to_pay_back_taxes.html

3. Tax evasion... Former Sen. Tom Daschle...,(D).... picked by President Barack Obama to lead his health reform efforts, recently filed amended tax returns to report $128,203 in unpaid taxes and $11,964 in interest, according to a Senate document obtained by The Associated Press.
$140,000: the amount of back taxes and interest that Cabinet nominee Tom Daschle (D) was forced to cough up after the vetting process revealed significant, unexplained tax liabilities.
$356,000: the approximate amount of income and deductions that Daschle (D) was forced to report on his amended 2005 and 2007 tax returns after being caught cheating on his taxes. This includes $255,256 for the use of a car service, $83,333 in unreported income, and $14,963 in charitable contributions.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/.../daschle_taxes

4. TAX EVASION....Timothy F. Geithner..(D)... At the Senate confirmation hearings, it was revealed through documentary evidence that Geithner had not paid $35,000 self-employment taxes for several years,[25] even though he had acknowledged his obligation to do so, and had filed a request for, and received, a payment for half the taxes owed. Still gets confirmed as Sec. of Treasury...
http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/g/timothy_f_geithner/index.html
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner (the now internationally known IRS tax-cheat) is astounding, at the least.


5. Sen. Dodd (D) caught in a sweetheart mortgage deal...........HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) - Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd says he'll refinance two mortgages that he received through a VIP program from Countrywide Financial Corp. $800,000: the amount of "sweetheart" mortgages Senate Banking Chairman Chris Dodd (D-CT) received from Countrywide Financial, the details for which he has refused to release despite months of promises to do so. Countrywide was once the nation's largest mortgage lender and linked to Govern ment-Sponsored Entities like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Their meltdown precipitated the current financial crisis. Just days ago in Pennsylvania , Countrywide was forced to pay $150,000,000 in mortgage assistance following "a state investigation that concluded that Countrywide relaxed its underwriting standards to sell risky loans to consumers who did not understand them and could not afford them."
Dodd told reporters Monday that the mortgages for his homes in Washington and East Haddam, Conn., will be refinanced with a different company.
Dodd has acknowledged receiving mortgages in 2003 through a VIP program at Countrywide, which was sold to Bank of America Corp. earlier this year and has been the focus of allegations that it gave favorable loan terms to lawmakers. Dodd says he's moving the loans in part because he was wrongfully labeled a friend of Countrywide's former CEO, Angelo Mozilo. Dodd says he never sought special treatment.
Countrywide program that awarded special treatment to so-called friends of company CEO Angelo Mozilo.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D963IFEG3&show_article=1

6. TAX EVASION... Nancy Killefer..(D) withdrew her candidacy to be the first chief performance officer for the federal government on Tuesday, saying she didn't want her bungling of payroll taxes on her household help to become a distraction for the Obama administration. Killefer was the second major nominee to withdraw. Within hours, former Sen. Tom Daschle also withdrew his nomination to be secretary of health and human services.
In a brief letter to President Barack Obama, Killefer, the 55-year-old executive with consulting giant McKinsey & Co., wrote that she had "come to realize in the current environment that my personal tax issue of D.C. unemployment tax could be used to create exactly the kind of distraction and delay" that must be avoided in responding to urgent economic problems. Feb. 3, 2009
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090203/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_killefer;_ylt=AjZSn_j8IDgh.VDqbvuRulwEtbAF

7. TAX EVASION..... A Senate committee today abruptly canceled a session to consider President Obama's nomination of Rep. Hilda Solis (D) to be labor secretary in the wake of a report saying that her husband yesterday paid about $6,400 to settle tax liens against his business -- including liens that had been outstanding for as long as 16 years.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/02/05/solis_senate_session_canceled.html

8. TAX EVASION....Al Franken..(D).Last April, the California Tax Franchise Board revealed that Franken owed the state $5,800 in taxes, fines, and penalties because he did not file returns in 2003 through 2007. Franken then admitted that he owed more than $50,000 in back taxes to 17 states.
http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/al_franken_taxes/2009/02/06/179148.html

9. TAX EVASION.... Marion Barry (D).... WASHINGTON (AP) - Prosecutors asked a federal judge Monday to send former Washington mayor Marion Barry to jail for failing to file his tax returns for the eighth time in nine years. In a motion filed in U.S. District Court, Assistant U.S. Attorney Tom Zeno said Barry, who's also a current District of Columbia Council member did not file his taxes in 2007, violating his probation for previous tax offenses.
http://www.upi.com/Related-News/Pro...r_Marion_Barry_over_taxes.../6-4990cfbe47fe4/

10. TAX EVASION....Rahm Emanuel....Emanuel's Rent-Free Apartment Another Potential Tax Headache for Obama Administration
White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel lived rent-free for five years in a Capitol Hill apartment owned by fellow representative Rose DeLauro (D-CT), he stated last week. While the arrangement apparently does not run afoul of House ethics rules, questions are being raised about whether either Emanuel or DeLauro, who is married to Democratic pollster Stanley Greenburg, reported the arrangement to Congress. In addition, Emanuel may not have reported the imputed imputed income he received in the form of the free lodging on his personal income taxes.
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/uh...ars_of_free_lodging_without_reportign_it_on_/

11. TAX EVASION.....Ron Kiric.....forced to pay approx. $10,000 in back taxes...

12. GENERAL CROOK...Bill Richardson ...... Richardson withdrew in January, 2009 amid a grand jury investigation into a state contract awarded to his political donors.

13. TAX ISSUES.....$7800 owed in taxes. Kathleen Sebelius, President Obama's nominee to become Health and Human Services secretary, said in a letter obtained by the Associated Press that she made "unintentional errors" on her taxes
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EXCLUSIVE: Career lawyers overruled on voting case
Black Panthers had wielded weapons, blocked polls
The incident - which gained national attention when it was captured on videotape and distributed on YouTube - had prompted the government to sue the men, saying they violated the 1965 Voting Rights Act by scaring would-be voters with the weapon, racial slurs and military-style uniforms

Blacks Democrats now above the law....

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
All you've done is regurgitate what has previously been established and acknowledged,

What I have established, with undeniable proof, is that news reports 1 day after the Iraq trip tell the facts....1 month later, left-wing blogs post lies that persist as the truth even today...and pinheads, such as yourself, will believe them no matter what proof is presented to you....seems you'll always be a "willfully" narrow-minded ass.....

Thumping your intellectually wimpy chest and squawking the SOS won't make it anymore important. I've already acknowledged that the plastic turkey story was rendered an urban legend...what YOU cannot acknowledge is that the Shrub being photographed with a turkey that was not carved by him and served was presented to the general public like he did. That falsehood gave rise to the fake turkey stories.

That falsehood was manufacture by the left wing assholes like yourself...
The Bush admin. never claimed he carved or served the bird he was photoed with...
Your lie from start to finish, so why do you repeat it over and over....


Hell, even the articles YOU presented do not state in no uncertain terms that the turkey was NOT part of the meal he served. That you neocon toadies cannot even acknowledge that little truth speaks volumes of how weak the Shrub's legacy is.

Just like the Bush and his admin. told you from day one....as reported the day after his visit....LEARN TO FUCKIN' READ!

as the recorded chronology of the posts show. When all is said and done, your links demonstrate that the Shrub carried a turkey that was NOT part of the food he dished out. The nonsense about the plastic turkey was taken from the fact that the turkey he posed with was NOT carved up by the Shrub and served to the troops, as photos in OTHER news markets and services alluded to.

Neither Bush nor his admin control the lies from left wing news markets....get someone to explain that simple premise to you, moron

Like the Shrub's aircraft carrier stunt, his people and the neocon media maintain that all is well and everything you see is reality. Lying about little details that are not true is the undoing of the legacy.

There was no lies, except by left-wing spinners...

1. Navy and administration sources said that the banner was the Navy's idea
The president told reporters the sign was put up by the Navy And the Shrub was either lying or uninformed as usual, as was the navy officials at the time.
2. the White House actually made it. No shit sherlock....a simple truth that the Shrub and his cronies denied before reporters got the goods. http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/05/16/nyt.bumiller/

3. "The banner signified the successful completion of the ship's deployment," he said, noting the Abraham Lincoln was deployed 290 days, longer than any other nuclear-powered aircraft carrier in history. Bull fucking shit. Whoever told you this knew he had a sucker on the line. See the above link, get educated.
Thats the simple truth of the entire matter You're simple if you are still swallowing that crap. Hell, everyone was falling over themselves to cover up this obvious jingoistic ploy that wasn't selling to the people. Put this in perspective to the earlier link http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/01...y4718462.shtml
4. Bush was a fighter pilot and indulged himself with plane ride...so what
An exaggeration: He trained for 2 out of the 4 years that were needed for the particular fighter jet to be a bonafide fighter pilot. He also did not submit to his physical in 1972 for such training, which got him grounded. He never completed his training.

5. Bush NEVER claimed the sign signified the end of the conflict with Iraq...
This is what he said, "Thank you all very much. Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country.

These were the lies made up by the Democrats ....and persist today for the reasons I explained above...

I just cleared the neocon smokescreen from your recollections, so the truth be known.


To try and equate Obama's promotions and endorsements to the Shrub's BS stunts is just another desperate ploy of the neocons to discredit any and all efforts by the Obama administration, while maintaining the fantasy of the Shrub's 8 dismal years. That you are just another squawking parrot of that nonsense is no big surprise. Carry on.

Your OPINION is as valid as Obamas Nobel Prize...a joke....

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Projecting again, bunky? Because you sure as hell were purporting that propaganda was indeed nothing BUT lies, and that they were all on Obama's side. Pay attention to what you previously post...maybe you should "pin" a note to your "head"?

Your reading comprehension is that of a third grader...you don't have a clue what anyone tells you in post...Ray Charles reads better than you do....

And there you have it folks, when confronted with facts and logic, this intellectually impotent neocon buffoon has nothing but a childish retort as a rebuttal. He's got nothing, but is too much of a coward to acknowledge his errors on something as anonymous as these discussion boards. Pity his false bravado. Well, I'm done humiliating him and watching him repeat the same, tired bullshit. Adios for now.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Unlike you, I'm honest enough to reference my source material, then let people know what my personal analysis is:


By Merriam-Webster:

Propaganda

2 : the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3 : ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect


So According to this, propaganda is pretty much anything that has come forth from either political party during campaigns and terms of administration. The trick is to identify what are lies and misleading "information". So by definition, Obama's "propaganda" is no more or less heinous than what the Shrub pulled during his 8 years....unless you count that the whole premise of invading Iraq was a lie www.bushlies.net Also, since NONE of the doctors involved in Obama's were misrepresented in any way by wearing whites, your bellyaching and whining is pointless. And since NONE of the news items you sourced provided a photo with the caption of the Shrub "horsing around" with a ceremonial turkey, the impression is that was the one he carved (as the photo was carried by other news services without the detailed articles). His PR people should have been better.

What's hysterical is how you consistently accuse me of what the recorded posts show YOU to be the initiator of. So far, you've repeated the same claims in various forms. My responses are merely to YOUR repetitions...I can't change what you write, and if you're too stupid or stubborn to recognize/admit when you're wrong, that's not my problem.

As for the rest of your blatherings......typical neocon tactic when your intial premise is rendered shaky and implausible when applied to simple fact and logic...if you can't dazzle me with brilliance, you try to deluge me with bullshit. Yeah, we all know the usual collection of BS that neocons claim of anyone who criticizes their propaganda. But since the focus thus far was on Obama's doctor endorsement of his healthcare proposal, your convoluted claptrap just spins off target.

Bottom line: there is a LONG record of the last 8 years where the neocon driven GOP has been guilty of EVERY little ill you list above...that you refuse to acknowledge it is of little consequence. But just keep it up, you intellectually impotent neocon.....you just keep digging your grave deeper.

I agree. I think the point that was being made is that propaganda is actually far less sinister than people tend to give it credit for. The problem with the term is Goebels and Nazi Germany, which gave it a bad rep.

 

[NOVA]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Unlike you, I'm honest enough to reference my source material, then let people know what my personal analysis is:


By Merriam-Webster:

Propaganda

2 : the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3 : ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect

reference your source material??????

Really? Why do you insist on being a perfect asshole...
reference you source material indeed....
I gave you the definition of the word...

Is that not plain enough for you that "definiton" means it obviously came a dictionary....
Any fuckin' dictionary will do...pick one, ....any one......

You are just about the biggest joke on the site dude....you might have a few close second placers, but you are in the forefront of the pack.....

 

[Taichiliberal]

I agree. I think the point that was being made is that propaganda is actually far less sinister than people tend to give it credit for. The problem with the term is Goebels and Nazi Germany, which gave it a bad rep.

Originally the False Bravado screeched that Obama was pure false propaganda..and kept using the word "propaganda" as if it's ONLY definition was to promote false information. When he was shown the light, he suddenly switched gears, thus contradicting himself. He won't see it or admit, but I'm glad you do.

Incidently, the Scarlett Johannsen pic is a killer! What did you think of her album debut?

 

[Taichiliberal]

reference your source material??????

Really? Why do you insist on being a perfect asshole... Projecting again? See that psychiatrist, man...fast!reference you source material indeed....
I gave you the definition of the word...

Is that not plain enough for you that "definiton" means it obviously came a dictionary....
Any fuckin' dictionary will do...pick one, ....any one......

Put your skirt down and pay attention. If you look at the quote above, you'll note that I gave a SPECIFIC name as to where I got my definitions from (which are direct quotes). YOU just spew forth yet another one of your diatribes that consistently reflect your personal opinion, supposition and conjecture. Big difference, because in the real world when a teacher, professor, banker, or judge asks for a definition, they want an OFFICIAL one from a UNIVERSALLY RECOGNIZED SOURCE. You can check to see if I'm on the level with my definitions, you can't with yours. Got it now, bunky? Get cracking if you want to be taken seriously.

You are just about the biggest joke on the site dude....you might have a few close second placers, but you are in the forefront of the pack.....

Oh look, the intellectually impotent neocon clown is again beating his wimpy mental chest in a display of false bravado. How sad.