German court convicts 97-year-old ex-secretary at Nazi camp

[moon]

Dutch Uncle
Does fantasizing about my purple dick make you wet, Ms. Moon? Would you like a picture sent in PM?
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...ear-2022/page2 #30

Your continual support for Jewish genocide is noted, Ms. Moon.

How sad for you that you can't provide an example of it, eh, you purple-dicked poseur.

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[Dutch Uncle]

How sad for you that you can't provide an example of it, eh, you purple-dicked poseur.

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Is that a yes you want a purple monster picture, Ms. Moon? You keep flirting with me about my male member, but since you're a foreigner, I'm not sure if I'm reading you correctly, dear. I don't want to inadvertently offend over a miscommunication.

Your posts often derail threads into killing Jews, dear, just as you've done on this thread.

And for neo-Zionist fascist war criminals ?

You are a dodger, but not artful. Again, will you support the pursuit of Israeli war criminals or not.

Let's prosecute war criminals in sequence. First up- the Neo-Zionist filth, all of them and their enablers. They've been at it for over seventy years. We'll get around to Putin in turn.

Incidentally- and this goes for everybody- the US will NEVER be able to take a moral stance on any invasion as long as it maintains its chronically-hypocritical support for the illegal invasion and ethnic-cleansing of Palestine by the fascist Zionist Jews. Of course, this is not a slight against anti-fascist Jews - who mightily outnumber the murdering asshole variety.

First up- the Neo-Zionist filth, all of them and their enablers. They've been at it for over seventy years. We'll get around to Putin in turn.

BTW, dear, the Nazis were first along with the Soviets.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

No, which is why those guards went to prison or were executed and the secretary was given a suspended two-year sentence.

Do you think the trial was unfair? That the Germans should just let bygones be bygones?

No! But one would expect that there would be a statute of limitations on non-capitol crimes. Don't you think prosecuting a 75+ year old crime because some one worked in the camp cafeteria would be a waste of tax dollars? This was nothing more than a publicity stunt by the Simon Wiesenthal center to show they are still needed.

 

[Cypress]

So to you every German who did not speak up against the holocaust was a Nazi enabler. Sorry I can't condemn a nations people for the crimes of a few in power.

It's not as simple as that.

She must have known her employer was comitting mass murder, but she still actively chose to provide logistical support to an operation working to eradicate thousands of humans.

If she had been morally repulsed and walked away to get another job, there would have been no case against her.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

No! But one would expect that there would be a statute of limitations on non-capitol crimes. Don't you think prosecuting a 75+ year old crime because some one worked in the camp cafeteria would be a waste of tax dollars? This was nothing more than a publicity stunt by the Simon Wiesenthal center to show they are still needed.

The camp she facilitated murdered 60,000 people. Not a lawyer, but that strikes me as a capital crime.

As Cypress previously mentioned, an unarmed getaway driver can be prosecuted for murder if a bank robbery results in murder.

Consider the Insurrection. Who is really responsible for Ashli Babbitt's death? The police officer defending Congress or the people who organized and launched the attack?

IIRC, 5 people died that day as a result of the attack. Many have died since. How many years should the FBI be chasing down the participants, agitators and organizers? Two years? Five years? Ten years? To be clear; the Insurrection isn't close to being comparable to the mass murder of 11 million human beings in Nazi death camps. It's mentioned solely to point out about "statute of limitations".

 

[moon]

Dutch Uncle;
Does fantasizing about my purple dick make you wet, Ms. Moon? Would you like a picture sent in PM?
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...ear-2022/page2 #30

Your posts often derail threads into killing Jews, dear, just as you've done on this thread.

Not at all, you purple-dicked racist pervert. There are many condemnations of neo-Zionist filth, Jewish or otherwise- but not one single remark against JEWS per se in all of my thousands of comments.
You are , clearly, a sick-minded liar.
Keep on pumping.

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[Cypress]

Correct...and faces murder charges if anyone is murdered.

The old adage comes into play: if you lie down with dogs, you're going to get up with fleas.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The old adage comes into play: if you lie down with dogs, you're going to get up with fleas.

Not a lawyer, but thousands of hours of watching Law & Order have taught me about felony murder.

https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=741

felony murder doctrine
n. a rule of criminal statutes that any death which occurs during the commission of a felony is first degree murder, and all participants in that felony or attempted felony can be charged with and found guilty of murder. A typical example is a robbery involving more than one criminal, in which one of them shoots, beats to death or runs over a store clerk, killing the clerk. Even if the death were accidental, all of the participants can be found guilty of felony murder, including those who did no harm, had no gun, and/or did not intend to hurt anyone. In a bizarre situation, if one of the holdup men or women is killed, his/her fellow robbers can be charged with murder.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

It's not as simple as that.

She must have known her employer was comitting mass murder, but she still actively chose to provide logistical support to an operation working to eradicate thousands of humans.

If she had been morally repulsed and walked away to get another job, there would have been no case against her.

Not being Jewish I look at the holocaust differently while totally agreeing it was man's worst hour I am insulated from the loss of ancestors.

Have you ever lived in Germany? Germans are taught to accept and respect authority. Not knowing what her function was we cannot say what she was exposed to. When confronted Germans who lived near the liberated camps all swore they were unaware of what went on because the government had some story. So don't try to use western logic as Germans don't think like we do.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

The camp she facilitated murdered 60,000 people. Not a lawyer, but that strikes me as a capital crime.

As Cypress previously mentioned, an unarmed getaway driver can be prosecuted for murder if a bank robbery results in murder.

Consider the Insurrection. Who is really responsible for Ashli Babbitt's death? The police officer defending Congress or the people who organized and launched the attack?

IIRC, 5 people died that day as a result of the attack. Many have died since. How many years should the FBI be chasing down the participants, agitators and organizers? Two years? Five years? Ten years? To be clear; the Insurrection isn't close to being comparable to the mass murder of 11 million human beings in Nazi death camps. It's mentioned solely to point out about "statute of limitations".

You and Cypress are assuming that she was an active participant like (your getaway driver). Don't you think if she was an active participant the prosecutor would have tried her on more serious charges (they have extradited tried and jailed camp guards living in the US, what made her special)? Seems he went with juvenile court as that was the lightest possible sentence he could try.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

The camp she facilitated murdered 60,000 people. Not a lawyer, but that strikes me as a capital crime.

As Cypress previously mentioned, an unarmed getaway driver can be prosecuted for murder if a bank robbery results in murder.

Consider the Insurrection. Who is really responsible for Ashli Babbitt's death? The police officer defending Congress or the people who organized and launched the attack?

IIRC, 5 people died that day as a result of the attack. Many have died since. How many years should the FBI be chasing down the participants, agitators and organizers? Two years? Five years? Ten years? To be clear; the Insurrection isn't close to being comparable to the mass murder of 11 million human beings in Nazi death camps. It's mentioned solely to point out about "statute of limitations".

You are trying to compare apples to oranges the two are diametrically different.

 

[Cypress]

Not being Jewish I look at the holocaust differently while totally agreeing it was man's worst hour I am insulated from the loss of ancestors.

Have you ever lived in Germany? Germans are taught to accept and respect authority. Not knowing what her function was we cannot say what she was exposed to. When confronted Germans who lived near the liberated camps all swore they were unaware of what went on because the government had some story. So don't try to use western logic as Germans don't think like we do.

I get that it might be hard to walk away from a good paying job. But I have faith that most Germans would not want to be directly involved in giving logistical support to an operation they could see first hand was murdering thousands of old men, women, and small children.

I think a lot of Germans heard rumours about what was going on, and chose to turn a blind eye.

But I don't think turning a blind eye is legally a crime.

And then there's the fact that the Nazis went to substantial efforts to hide what they were doing in the extermination camps, both from the allies and from garden variety German citizens.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You and Cypress are assuming that she was an active participant like (your getaway driver). Don't you think if she was an active participant the prosecutor would have tried her on more serious charges (they have extradited tried and jailed camp guards living in the US, what made her special)? Seems he went with juvenile court as that was the lightest possible sentence he could try.

It's Germany. I'm not even an American lawyer, but I do see the logic in prosecuting all of those who helped make the death camp imprison and murder prisoners.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I get that it might be hard to walk away from a good paying job. But I have faith that most Germans would not want to be directly involved in giving logistical support to an operation they could see first hand was murdering thousands of old men, women, and small children.

I think a lot of Germans heard rumours about what was going on, and chose to turn a blind eye.

But I don't think turning a blind eye is legally a crime.

And then there's the fact that the Nazis went to substantial efforts to hide what they were doing in the extermination camps, both from the allies and from garden variety German citizens.

I fail to see how she could work for the death camp and claim she didn't know what was going on.

Ergo, she knowingly facilitated the mass murder of prisoners.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You are trying to compare apples to oranges the two are diametrically different.

Disagreed. The point was to show how someone who facilitated a crime is as guilty as those who were actually violent in a crime.

 

[Cypress]

I fail to see how she could work for the death camp and claim she didn't know what was going on.

Ergo, she knowingly facilitated the mass murder of prisoners.

I haven't studied the transcripts of the case, but it seems pretty certain the prosecutors would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she knew full well her job was to provide logistical and administrative support for an operation dedicated to murdering women and children by the hundreds, every day.

 

[AProudLefty]

Sure. So do tell how you're going to prosecute a barbed-wire manufacturer for thousands of murders.

Ok that means you don't know. It's okay.

 

[Cypress]

You and Cypress are assuming that she was an active participant like (your getaway driver). Don't you think if she was an active participant the prosecutor would have tried her on more serious charges (they have extradited tried and jailed camp guards living in the US, what made her special)? Seems he went with juvenile court as that was the lightest possible sentence he could try.

I don't think she was a Master criminal, and I don't put her anywhere near the same league as Goering, Himmler, Goebbels.

I do think she had a moral responsibility to walk away from it, and the fact she knowingly provided logistical support to a mass murder operation obviously made her legally accountable under German law

 

[ExpressLane]

In my opinion, the statute of limitations should never expire for Nazis and Nazi enablers.

The MAJORITY of Germans enabled the Nazis.

 

[Cypress]

The MAJORITY of Germans enabled the Nazis.

Enable was my shorthand way of saying that she knowingly chose to provide logistical and administrative support to a mass murder operation.

When Germany had free and fair elections, the Nazis never won more than 33 percent of the vote.