Is America a Christian nation?

Jarod said:
Only some of them were Christians, All of them were of Christian Heratiage.

It is clear that they chose to intentionally create a nation to be inclusive of ideas and values way beyond their own background of Christianity. They founded a decidedly more inclusive nation beyond Christianity.

To say they intended to found a "Christian Nation" is a slap in the face of what they clearly took an effort not to create.

I am of "Christian Heritage" but I when I create something, it is not necessarily "Christian". Ghandi was a Hindu, was the pacifist movement used by Dr. Martin Luthor King "Hindu Pacifism"?
Did Gandhi create Pacifism or "Hindu Pacifism"?

Henry Ford was of "Christian Heritage" did he mass produce the Car, or the "Christian Car"?

THomas Edison was of "Christian Heritage", do we use "Christian Lightbulb's?
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All irrelevant to the fact that the founders laid their valid claim for independence on belief that our rights come from a creator and not humans or govts. Most were Christian and to christians the creator is the God of the Christian bible. People who don't believe in God have benefitted greatly from the Christian belief that the rights of human beings come from the creator.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
You're free to cherry-pick what you like and run from the consequences. It's very common among the poorly educated and geezers.

IMO, it's a display of Free Will; some people choose to run rather than face the truth. Free will. Their choice.
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This is all that I wrote which you responded to:

"Correct. Calling america a christian nation doesn't make it a theocracy."

You said, "True..." and then went on to pontificate. Everyone is having a good conversation but now you have to get pissy. Fuck off you miserable bitch.
 
Yakuda said:
All irrelevant to the fact that the founders laid their valid claim for independence on belief that our rights come from a creator and not humans or govts. Most were Christian and to christians the creator is the God of the Christian bible. People who don't believe in God have benefitted greatly from the Christian belief that the rights of human beings come from the creator.
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The God of the Christian Bible is also the God of the Koran and the God of the Tora. At the very least they intended this type of nation, but clearly to me they chose not to even use the word God.

They chose Creator, which includes beliefs that include non-Gods. They clearly intended to create a nation that was more than just Christian, a nation to include people who have values that are from a much wider base and ideology.

The fact that they were of Christian Heritage, but chose the word "Creator" rather than "Jesus" or "God" proves that.

You should read up on the writings of, for example, Thomas Jefferson, on this issue.
 
Yakuda said:
This is all that I wrote which you responded to:

"Correct. Calling america a christian nation doesn't make it a theocracy."

You said, "True..." and then went on to pontificate. Everyone is having a good conversation but now you have to get pissy. Fuck off you miserable bitch.
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Are you denying that many JPP RWers and Republican leaders have suggested making Christianity part of the Constitution? Part of our laws?

It's a free country no matter what the MAGAts scream, so you're free not to answer. :)
 
We are endowed by our Creator (whatever that may be, intentionally undefined here) of certain inalienable rights..."
 
Jarod said:
The God of the Christian Bible is also the God of the Koran and the God of the Tora. At the very least they intended this type of nation, but clearly to me they chose not to even use the word God.

They chose Creator, which includes beliefs that include non-Gods. They clearly intended to create a nation that was more than just Christian, a nation to include people who have values that are from a much wider base and ideology.

The fact that they were of Christian Heritage, but chose the word "Creator" rather than "Jesus" or "God" proves that.

You should read up on the writings of, for example, Thomas Jefferson, on this issue.
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No Christian when you say, "God of bible" thinks of the koran or the Torah.
 
Yakuda said:
All irrelevant to the fact that the founders laid their valid claim for independence on belief that our rights come from a creator and not humans or govts. Most were Christian and to christians the creator is the God of the Christian bible. People who don't believe in God have benefitted greatly from the Christian belief that the rights of human beings come from the creator.
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"...all men (Christians and non-Christians are a part of ALL MEN) are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator (Their CREATOR, not OUR CREATOR) with certain unalienable Rights."
 
Jarod said:
"...all men (Christians and non-Christians are a part of ALL MEN) are created equal, that they are endowed by their (Their CREATOR, not OUR CREATOR) Creator with certain unalienable Rights."
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Right christians believe the God of the bible created all men therefore "their" creator is the God of the bible. It's a common linguistic use of the word "their" it's not suggesting they have "their" own creator.
 
Jarod said:
What did the founders mean when they prohibited the Government from "Respecting the establishment of religion?"
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

The principle is paraphrased from Thomas Jefferson's "separation between Church & State." It has been used to express the understandings of the intent and function of this amendment, which allows freedom of religion. It is generally traced to a January 1, 1802, letter by Jefferson, addressed to the Danbury Baptist Association in Connecticut, and published in a Massachusetts newspaper.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States
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It's unambiguous bit of buck-passing. Religions will neither be officially recognized nor prohibited.
 
moon said:
It's unambiguous bit of buck-passing. Religions will neither be officially recognized nor prohibited.
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I dont think it's buck passing at all. It's a clear statement that the govt shall not establish a religion like Henry did. Calling America a Christian nation doesn't rise to establishment of a religion.
 
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