NJ GOV now GOP!!

Jngreznex said:
I would be very surprised if Christie reduces government by a hair. He has no plan to do so; like other Republican governor's in the past, he will not.
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Is it getting hard to swallow? Take smaller bites and try a spoonful of sugar. I hear it helps the medicine go down.

Now go get some warm milk, your blanky, and pop that thumb in your mouth.

It's time for Nawnies....


Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!
 
Onceler said:
Yeah - I was being a little snippy. I'll admit it...I usually don't like it when Republicans win anything.

Congrats are in order, I suppose. I'll try to veer off onto the high road...
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I've always maintained that conservatives are way more gracious at defeat.

For the record?

We all wanted change we could believe in!
 
Ice Dancer said:
I linked the wrong article...but this has been his message through out his campaign. Lowering taxes on business and freezing state growth while eliminating bad programs.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/10/chris_christie_hammers_corzine.html
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The Journal and a couple of other publications I saw recently all claimed that he had basically stopped saying anything once he got the lead and was a big reason he started to lose his initial lead.

In my elitist snobbish west coast personal opinion I really don't care. New Jersey is a dump and our country would be better off without it. They can tax themselves to high heaven for all I care. Their state is trash.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Woot woot! :good4u:

The message is clear...shrink government don't grow it!
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So Republicans campaign to become part of the gov't in order to shrink it..and to do that the expand gov't jurisdiction. Hmmmm. :rolleyes:

Christie's win in NJ is no big surprise...half the political crooks that went to jail on by an investigation he had initiated were Dems (good for you, Christie).

Now, all he has to do is deal with the exact same crappy economy and economic resources as Corzine and produce vastly different results. Good luck with that.
 
cawacko said:
The Journal and a couple of other publications I saw recently all claimed that he had basically stopped saying anything once he got the lead and was a big reason he started to lose his initial lead.

In my elitist snobbish west coast personal opinion I really don't care. New Jersey is a dump and our country would be better off without it. They can tax themselves to high heaven for all I care. Their state is trash.
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LOL...whatever. The bigger picture is that conservatives are getting back on message. This ridiculous idea that republicans need to be moderate is finally getting put to rest. I mean WTF is moderate? I agree that the main message needs to be on a Constitutionally and fiscally smaller government, but socially conservative republicans are the consitancy of the party...tell me, how can you support socially liberal programs and be fiscally conservative? I will submit that even so called gay rights will have a measuarably significant impact on a *fiscallly responsible federal government...another reason why social agenda issues ought to be left up to states.

*healthcare being one aspect.
 
"This ridiculous idea that republicans need to be moderate is finally getting put to rest"

I think the lesson of just about every election is that the middle is where it's at, actually....
 
Onceler said:
"This ridiculous idea that republicans need to be moderate is finally getting put to rest"

I think the lesson of just about every election is that the middle is where it's at, actually....
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Hahaha...yeah, well, NJ and Virginia were hardly moderates, especially Virginia.
 
cawacko said:
From what I've read he didn't talk a whole lot about his plans. It's like he got an early lead and then decided to say nothing in hopes of not losing the lead. Well, this time I guess it worked to get him in office but now is he going to try and do things he never really talked about on the campaign trail? How's that going to go over?
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I'm glad he won for the implications, but must say his speech wasn't anything to write home about. I'm not into NJ politics, for the same reason that I can't imagine anyone not effected by Chicago politics to understand that train wreck, but I've read he ran a pretty poor campaign or his margin would have been much larger.

Woot, best run on in a long while!
 
Onceler said:
"This ridiculous idea that republicans need to be moderate is finally getting put to rest"

I think the lesson of just about every election is that the middle is where it's at, actually....
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the problem is that while you need to attract the moderate vote, there is no 'moderate' position.....moderates simply choose between which alternative the extremes present them......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
the problem is that while you need to attract the moderate vote, there is no 'moderate' position.....moderates simply choose between which alternative the extremes present them......
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Well said. And, with twice as many Americans proclaiming themselves Conservative over Liberal, a conservative that presents sold conservative principles will fair well.

And since he campaigned for the loser:

Obama > :ouch:
 
PostmodernProphet said:
the problem is that while you need to attract the moderate vote, there is no 'moderate' position.....moderates simply choose between which alternative the extremes present them......
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Of course there is a moderate position. Gay rights? Moderates support civil unions, but are okay with marriage not being legal. The environment? Moderates support aggressive measures to promote & incent green technology, but not arbitrary limits on consumption. Fiscal policy? Moderates push for a progressive tax system that doesn't punish the rich, and seek a more efficient government that cuts spending without doing so in Draconian fashion.

The list goes on. Moderates rule.
 
Onceler said:
Of course there is a moderate position. Gay rights? Moderates support civil unions, but are okay with marriage not being legal. The environment? Moderates support aggressive measures to promote & incent green technology, but not arbitrary limits on consumption. Fiscal policy? Moderates push for a progressive tax system that doesn't punish the rich, and seek a more efficient government that cuts spending without doing so in Draconian fashion.

The list goes on. Moderates rule.
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/shrugs.....most people here consider me extremely conservative, yet I have no problem with civil unions, I have no problem with promoting green technology, can support a progressive tax system that doesn't punish the rich and would love an efficient government that cut spending......does that mean I have "moderate" positions or does it mean you don't comprehend conservative ones......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
/shrugs.....most people here consider me extremely conservative, yet I have no problem with civil unions, I have no problem with promoting green technology, can support a progressive tax system that doesn't punish the rich and would love an efficient government that cut spending......does that mean I have "moderate" positions or does it mean you don't comprehend conservative ones......
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Civil unions is a moderate position. If you support them, good on you.

For green technology, I tend to doubt most conservatives would oppose its accelerated development, if that could happen in some sort of vacuum; but the call of the current GOP is much more "drill, baby, drill" than tax incentives for green tech. I think green technology & anything environmental has come to be seen as a "liberal" cause, so many conservatives oppose common sense measures just as a knee jerk reaction.

As for spending cuts, I think where conservatives and moderates probably differ comes in assessing what can & should be cut, and what is vital to maintain...
 
usaloyal2theend said:
It always boils down to the: "Well, it would depend on what you think the definition of is, is" defense.
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Nah; the "definition of is" defense is when you're busted, and backed into a corner, and you revert to the essay-writing skills you used in high school when you hadn't done the research.

In this particular case, none of that is true; I was genuinely making fun of Yurt.
 
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