95% of Humans are Spiritual

Dixie said:
I once said (to much ridicule here) that Atheists are actually some of the biggest believers in God. Many of them know damn well there is a God, and they are (for whatever reason) angry with God over something. Therefore, in order to "punish" God, they deny him and act as if they don't believe in him.
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I am not be angry at god. To be angry at something that does not exist would be the highest form of silliness.
 
Dixie said:
I never said one word about "meaning of life" are you confusing something I posted with someone else? Like I said, lay off the bottle before you come here, Damo.


Buddhists are spiritual, they are not nihilists. Technically speaking, I am an Atheist. I do not subscribe or believe in any specific theocracy, which by definition, is an Atheist. I am, however, very spiritual, and I understand (know) there is a greater power than man. So do most human beings, that was my only point.
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No, you said they were "nihilist", please tell me the definition of "nihilist" so that we can find out why I mentioned the "meaning of life"...

And, no, you aren't an Atheist unless you believe that there is no God specifically, not by any stretch have you ever promoted such a belief.
 
Dixie said:
Superfreak admits he has faith in Science. I didn't make that assumption, he said it himself. He also doesn't describe himself as a nihilist, but anyone who doesn't believe in anything greater than self, is by definition, a nihilist. Therefore, we can conclude Super believes in something, he just doesn't know or isn't sure what that is.
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Again, you display just how much of a moron you are.

It isn't "faith" in Science you idiot. I believe in the FACTS that science can prove. If you cannot comprehend the difference between FAITH and FACT, then you are an idiot.

As for the rest, again you are trying to display your ignorance as to what an agnostic is. I have already stated that I think it is likely that there is something greater out there. But the fact that I cannot prove it one way or another means I do not take a position based on FAITH. Which is what the religious and atheists do. THAT is being agnostic you twit.
 
Dixie said:
I once said (to much ridicule here) that Atheists are actually some of the biggest believers in God. Many of them know damn well there is a God, and they are (for whatever reason) angry with God over something. Therefore, in order to "punish" God, they deny him and act as if they don't believe in him.
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Just when I think you can't possibly say anything dumber.... I truly must stop underestimating your capacity for ignorance.

An atheist does not believe in a God or Gods. Seriously, do you have moronic quote of the day toilet paper or something?

At this point, your 1/3 argument is looking like the work of Einstein relative to your idiocy on this thread.
 
Jngreznex said:
I am not be angry at god. To be angry at something that does not exist would be the highest form of silliness.
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Twain had a quote that ran along the same lines as Dixie's comment. He is right, alot of atheists are just mad at God. However, I think most angry atheists are ex-believers and it might just be a stage they go through. I was there, use to believe in God and then I got to reading the Bible.

Some more quotes from Twain...

"It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand."

"Our Bible reveals to us the character of our god with minute and remorseless exactness... It is perhaps the most damnatory biography that exists in print anywhere. It makes Nero an angel of light and leading by contrast" Reflections on Religion, 1906

"O Lord our God, help us tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it..." "The War Prayer"
 
Superfreak said:
Just when I think you can't possibly say anything dumber.... I truly must stop underestimating your capacity for ignorance.

An atheist does not believe in a God or Gods. Seriously, do you have moronic quote of the day toilet paper or something?

At this point, your 1/3 argument is looking like the work of Einstein relative to your idiocy on this thread.
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No, an Atheist claims he doesn't believe in God. I believe most of them actually DO believe in God, and more so than your average church-goer. I think they have a deep and profound understanding of God, and they are angry at him, and denouncing him is the way they express this anger.

I am sorry that was such a complicated thing for you to comprehend, I should have used more simple words to articulate my thoughts.
 
Superfreak said:
Again, you display just how much of a moron you are.

It isn't "faith" in Science you idiot. I believe in the FACTS that science can prove. If you cannot comprehend the difference between FAITH and FACT, then you are an idiot.

As for the rest, again you are trying to display your ignorance as to what an agnostic is. I have already stated that I think it is likely that there is something greater out there. But the fact that I cannot prove it one way or another means I do not take a position based on FAITH. Which is what the religious and atheists do. THAT is being agnostic you twit.
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So you have spiritual faith, you just choose to ignore it? I think I accurately categorized you the first time, when I said you fall into the group who either don't know what they believe or are in denial. You balked at that assertion, but honestly, I have never known a person to admit they were in denial.

As for faith, you take positions based on it everyday. You have certainly made it clear you have faith in science, so there is one thing you do take positions based on faith with. If science says something, by god you have faith it is right, until someone proves it wrong!
 
Damocles said:
No, you said they were "nihilist", please tell me the definition of "nihilist" so that we can find out why I mentioned the "meaning of life"...

And, no, you aren't an Atheist unless you believe that there is no God specifically, not by any stretch have you ever promoted such a belief.
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I'm sure you have a dictionary amongst all your books, Damo. A nihilist believes in absolutely no spiritual entity. Nothingness. I've not made an argument for how they feel about the meaning of life, but I would suppose, if you don't believe anything created life, you couldn't establish any meaning for it. It's like a crop circle, if you don't believe someone or something put it there, you can't believe it has meaning. These viewpoints would seem to contradict each other.
 
Dixie said:
I'm sure you have a dictionary amongst all your books, Damo. A nihilist believes in absolutely no spiritual entity. Nothingness. I've not made an argument for how they feel about the meaning of life, but I would suppose, if you don't believe anything created life, you couldn't establish any meaning for it. It's like a crop circle, if you don't believe someone or something put it there, you can't believe it has meaning. These viewpoints would seem to contradict each other.
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Cherry picking because you cannot find a definition that supports your hissy fit.

Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is the philosophical doctrine suggesting the negation of one or more aspects of life or the world in general. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism which argues that life[1] is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.
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I spoke to the fact that you called all Atheists "nihilists", which is a simplistic stereotype based in ignorance. Why do you so constantly maintain a solid ignorance even of the words you use? You display a capacity to learn (I believe you are intelligent), but a willful urge to never use it (constantly insist that there is no need to actually learn about something before spouting off, then when shown you are without significant pieces of knowledge go on the attack rather than acknowledge the lack and fix the issue).

If you want to know how people who actively disbelieve in a Deity can also believe that there is meaning to life, ask the hundreds of millions of Theravada Buddhists who espouse that very belief.
 
Damocles said:
Cherry picking because you cannot find a definition that supports your hissy fit.
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Nope, I didn't look for a definition, I already know what "nihilist" means.

I spoke to the fact that you called all Atheists "nihilists", which is a simplistic stereotype based in ignorance.
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No, I never stated that all Atheists are nihilists. I did say that the only people who count as "non-spiritual" are nihilists. That statement is correct.

Why do you so constantly maintain a solid ignorance even of the words you use? You display a capacity to learn (I believe you are intelligent), but a willful urge to never use it (constantly insist that there is no need to actually learn about something before spouting off, then when shown you are without significant pieces of knowledge go on the attack rather than acknowledge the lack and fix the issue).
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Again Damo, you can talk down to me and try to imply I am lacking intelligence, all you like, it doesn't make your point any more valid. It's really quite disappointing to me, I can remember when you used to be very pragmatic and diplomatic with your tone, and would have never engaged in these petty personal attacks.

If you want to know how people who actively disbelieve in a Deity can also believe that there is meaning to life, ask the hundreds of millions of Theravada Buddhists who espouse that very belief.
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Now we are into a semantics thing. I never stated that anyone felt any particular way about the meaning of life, you brought that up, not me. It is a circular argument, something you seem to have gotten good with lately! I don't know what happened to you, maybe too many conversations with Grind? Maybe too much time reading pinhead drivel here? Maybe you read too many books and became a pinhead yourself? I don't know, but I do know your attitude has changed.

"Meaning of Life" is a very subjective and fluid term. It is entirely left to the individual to answer for themselves, I can't tell you what your meaning of life is, only you can say. If you have no faith in any power greater than man, you can't attribute a universal global meaning to life, it defies logic. What determined or established this meaning? Again, I didn't bring up the meaning of life, I am discussing human spirituality. Care to join me?
 
AssHatZombie said:
Dixie says:

Atheists DO believe in god.
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many do have a religion, if not a deity.....a person can revere "self" or "money" or "science" or anything else to the point at which it becomes the equivalent of a 'god' in their minds......there is no reason to presume that atheists are immune to that reality, since they have no acknowledgment of another deity, they are more likely to have that view......
 
Damocles said:
And, no, you aren't an Atheist unless you believe that there is no God specifically, not by any stretch have you ever promoted such a belief.
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From the Dictionary of Philosophy:

Atheism: (Gr. a, no; theos, god) Two uses of the term:

1. The belief that there is no God.
2. Some philosophers have been called "atheistic" because they have not held to a belief in a personal God. Atheism in this sense means "not theistic."

The former meaning of the term is a literal rendering. The latter meaning is a less rigorous use of the term although widely current in the history of thought. -- V.F.

When I said "Technically, I am Atheist" it was intended in the 'less rigorous' sense. I do not believe in the theism's of organized religions, and I have said this on numerous occasions here. I am a "non-theist" or "atheist" ...I probably should have not capitalized it, that is my only error. However, you being the profound reader, should have realized which usage of the word I intended.
 
Dixie said:
No, an Atheist claims he doesn't believe in God. I believe most of them actually DO believe in God, and more so than your average church-goer. I think they have a deep and profound understanding of God, and they are angry at him, and denouncing him is the way they express this anger.

I am sorry that was such a complicated thing for you to comprehend, I should have used more simple words to articulate my thoughts.
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the moment they believe in god, consciously or unconsciously, they cease being an atheist.

atheists do not believe in god. this is among the many stupid things you have said
 
Dixie said:
I do not believe in the theism's of organized religions, and I have said this on numerous occasions here.
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The twenty some odd posts of ib1 posting you describing yourself as a christian, talking about your duty as a christian, and your christian faith, contradicts this statement.
 
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Exoendo said:
The twenty some odd posts of ib1 posting you describe yourself as a christian, talking about your duty as a christian, and your christian faith, contradicts this statement.
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that was THEN, this is NOW... give him five minutes and his argument will once again change.

He is a moron. The last couple of threads show that his 1/3 thread was actually the peak of his intellectual capacity.
 
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