Scientific Evidence of God

I listed several REASONS as to why mankind worships.
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The only "reasons" I've seen presented, are trivial and insignificant, and would not have stood the test of time, through wars, persecutions and genocide. It is much more than simple need to explain the unexplained, but even if that is all it is, why does mankind feel compelled to explain the unexplained, why would it possibly matter? Other creatures are not concerned with explaining the unexplained, they don't fear the unknown, and they have no reason, trivial or otherwise, to worship.

To this point, the smartest thing you've said is, mankind has a reason to worship.

I agreeeeeee!!!
 
Dixie said:
The only "reasons" I've seen presented, are trivial and insignificant, and would not have stood the test of time, through wars, persecutions and genocide. It is much more than simple need to explain the unexplained, but even if that is all it is, why does mankind feel compelled to explain the unexplained, why would it possibly matter? Other creatures are not concerned with explaining the unexplained, they don't fear the unknown, and they have no reason, trivial or otherwise, to worship.

To this point, the smartest thing you've said is, mankind has a reason to worship.

I agreeeeeee!!!
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You are a fucking idiot. Other creatures do not create the need to worship because they lack our cognitive ability. That has been explained to you time and again and you continue to ignore it so that you may bask in your ignorance.

Since you refuse to actually learn and seem bent on repeating the same pathetic 'arguments' over and over again....

Please use this for all of your future responses....

RE-READ THE THREAD. THIS ISSUE HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED.
 
Superfreak said:
You are a fucking idiot. Other creatures do not create the need to worship because they lack our cognitive ability. That has been explained to you time and again and you continue to ignore it so that you may bask in your ignorance.

Since you refuse to actually learn and seem bent on repeating the same pathetic 'arguments' over and over again....

Please use this for all of your future responses....

RE-READ THE THREAD. THIS ISSUE HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED.
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But you presume that man worships because he has cognition, and it is just as possible, he has cognition because he worships. It's a chicken and egg argument at best. One thing we know for certain, man indeed has both of the traits, they worship and have cognition, and no other creatures do.

I think that detail is significant, and not a coincidence. To simply dismiss this and claim man first did this and that, THEN invented spirituality... is as unfounded as concluding God created man and bestowed cognitive thought on him, as well as spirituality and everything else. Either one could be the case, neither one could be the case, or they BOTH could be partially the case. There are limitless possibilities, until you close your mind.
 
Dixie said:
But you presume that man worships because he has cognition, and it is just as possible, he has cognition because he worships. It's a chicken and egg argument at best. One thing we know for certain, man indeed has both of the traits, they worship and have cognition, and no other creatures do.

I think that detail is significant, and not a coincidence. To simply dismiss this and claim man first did this and that, THEN invented spirituality... is as unfounded as concluding God created man and bestowed cognitive thought on him, as well as spirituality and everything else. Either one could be the case, neither one could be the case, or they BOTH could be partially the case. There are limitless possibilities, until you close your mind.
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Name one instance in history where man has worshiped for NO reason. Just one ditzie.
 
Superfreak said:
ROFLMAO.... so you admit that man does not worship without reason?
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Super, the title of the thread is Scientific Evidence of God! In my opening post, I made the point that a study of human/animal behavior would suggest human spirituality is both vital and necessary for the species, and we have a fundamental connection from the beginning, to spirituality. It defines who we are!

I think you and Damo have made two of the most brilliant points to support this concept. Damo says that mankind is "hard-wired" to worship, and you admit that man does not worship without reason. Add Mungo Man and Mungo Woman, and the archeological evidence man has worshiped always, and I believe it is solid incontrovertible scientific evidence of God... or something.

If nothing else, it certainly raises a profound question or two about the possibility. Here we have a species which has a unique attribute of cognition, and also possesses a consistent trait of spirituality, and has done this for as far back as we can study the species... I think we have to conclude the traits and attributes are fundamentally connected, and to design predetermined conclusions to trivially explain them, is contradictory to science.
 
Dixie said:
Super, the title of the thread is Scientific Evidence of God! In my opening post, I made the point that a study of human/animal behavior would suggest human spirituality is both vital and necessary for the species, and we have a fundamental connection from the beginning, to spirituality. It defines who we are!

I think you and Damo have made two of the most brilliant points to support this concept. Damo says that mankind is "hard-wired" to worship, and you admit that man does not worship without reason. Add Mungo Man and Mungo Woman, and the archeological evidence man has worshiped always, and I believe it is solid incontrovertible scientific evidence of God... or something.

If nothing else, it certainly raises a profound question or two about the possibility. Here we have a species which has a unique attribute of cognition, and also possesses a consistent trait of spirituality, and has done this for as far back as we can study the species... I think we have to conclude the traits and attributes are fundamentally connected, and to design predetermined conclusions to trivially explain them, is contradictory to science.
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You cannot answer simple questions can you ditzie... you have to continue to spin away back into things we have already discussed.

Bottom line... by your own admission... man does not worship without reason. Therefore spirituality cannot have preceded cognitive abilities within man.

Having the propensity to worship 'hardwired' as Damo stated is due AGAIN to our cognitive ability and our desire to 'understand'. Throughout history mankind has worshiped that which he does not understand. In cases where there is no direct object (such as the sun or the wind etc...) mankind has the belief or faith in a God or Gods. This faith does not mean there is or isn't a higher being/intelligence out there. Hence the word FAITH. So again, you opening bullshit of 'evidence of God' completely fails.

You lose... as usual.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
okay, so you can't make an argument against it....I understand.....
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you clearly don't.
When did man develop the power of thought? What is thought? Is it for example, ' There is a berry, I will eat it.' or is it 'There is a red berry and a green berry. I will not eat the green berry BECAUSE ...., but I will eat the red berry.' or is it. ' It's a nice day today. I wonder if there are any berries ready to be picked. Maybe I'll take a stroll later and see.' or is it, 'I am feeling good today. I have just seen my image in a pool of water, I must do something with my hair.'
When did 'man' develop the power of self awareness? Was he what we recognise as man? Was Heidelbergensis self aware? It lived for 500,000 years. Was it the same at the end as it was at the beginning?
So, you see, the question you are asking and the conclusions you are drawing just do not work.
Now, you might like to ask, 'what was the stimulus that led man to wonder about his surroundings and assign blame or responsibility to an unknown force?' You might ask 'what are the earliest signs of spiritual man?' and by 'man' do you mean homo sapiens, homo neanderthalis, heidelbergensis, australiopithicus or what? If you mean simply homo sapiens then it is likely that all development of thought and self awareness existed and that would include awareness of a spiritual self.

Understand?
 
man does not worship without reason. Therefore spirituality cannot have preceded cognitive abilities within man.
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On what basis do you make this assumption? Man worships, man reasons, they are the only creature to do both or either. How can you conclude that one preceded the other? Can spirit not exist without cognition? You see, that is a predetermination on your part. You think this is logical because you imagine it to be logical. You haven't proven it.
 
"I think you and Damo have made two of the most brilliant points to support this concept. Damo says that mankind is "hard-wired" to worship, and you admit that man does not worship without reason. Add Mungo Man and Mungo Woman, and the archeological evidence man has worshiped always, and I believe it is solid incontrovertible scientific evidence of God... or something. "

This is classic Dixie. He completely filters out & ignores the dozen excellent arguments that undermine his "theory," and then cherrypicks & distorts only those tidbits which he can twist in a way that will support what he's saying....
 
Onceler said:
"I think you and Damo have made two of the most brilliant points to support this concept. Damo says that mankind is "hard-wired" to worship, and you admit that man does not worship without reason. Add Mungo Man and Mungo Woman, and the archeological evidence man has worshiped always, and I believe it is solid incontrovertible scientific evidence of God... or something. "

This is classic Dixie. He completely filters out & ignores the dozen excellent arguments that undermine his "theory," and then cherrypicks & distorts only those tidbits which he can twist in a way that will support what he's saying....
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So far, nothing has been presented to "undermine" my argument. It has not been refuted or proven wrong, and it can't be, because it is a sound and legitimate opinion based on the evidence presented. So is Damo's opinion... so is Super's opinion.... so is YOUR opin...ooops, wait... maybe not YOUR opinion. The point is, I am not trying to "refute" someone's argument here, or prove them wrong, I accept that I may be 100% wrong, and they may be 100% right... or we could both be 100% wrong, and any partial combination of right and wrong between us... I don't know. You see, unlike you pinheads, I have not drawn a conclusion on this. I remain open-minded to various possibilities, and you don't. Instead of entertaining the possibilities, you had rather close your mind and insist I am wrong, I have been refuted, my ideas are bogus, I am uneducated, I am ignorant, you are right and I am wrong.

I've not twisted anything, I haven't backtracked on anything, I haven't changed my position on anything, in this entire thread.
 
Dixie said:
So far, nothing has been presented to "undermine" my argument. It has not been refuted or proven wrong, and it can't be, because it is a sound and legitimate opinion based on the evidence presented. So is Damo's opinion... so is Super's opinion.... so is YOUR opin...ooops, wait... maybe not YOUR opinion. The point is, I am not trying to "refute" someone's argument here, or prove them wrong, I accept that I may be 100% wrong, and they may be 100% right... or we could both be 100% wrong, and any partial combination of right and wrong between us... I don't know. You see, unlike you pinheads, I have not drawn a conclusion on this. I remain open-minded to various possibilities, and you don't. Instead of entertaining the possibilities, you had rather close your mind and insist I am wrong, I have been refuted, my ideas are bogus, I am uneducated, I am ignorant, you are right and I am wrong.

I've not twisted anything, I haven't backtracked on anything, I haven't changed my position on anything, in this entire thread.
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But scientific evidence is more conlusive that 'hey, that just might be'. Evidence generally proves something. You said you could make that case. You didn't.
 
Dixie said:
On what basis do you make this assumption? Man worships, man reasons, they are the only creature to do both or either. How can you conclude that one preceded the other? Can spirit not exist without cognition? You see, that is a predetermination on your part. You think this is logical because you imagine it to be logical. You haven't proven it.
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1) you are a fucking idiot

2) I can conclude that reason must precede worship because as YOU HAVE FUCKING STATED.... man has NEVER worshiped WITHOUT REASON.

3) Spirit exist without cognition? Has NOTHING to do with reason preceding worship.

4) You are a fucking idiot
 
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