SmarterthanYou
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based upon what you've said, a doctor will get 'reimbursed' the same amount for giving a patient a flu vaccine as they would for treating serious issues like sepsis, right?
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We can't afford NOT TO do single payer health care
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based upon what you've said, a doctor will get 'reimbursed' the same amount for giving a patient a flu vaccine as they would for treating serious issues like sepsis, right?
doctors are going to want to make profits hospitals are going to need to make profits.
Which they will still do under a M4A system, and in fact will probably make more profits because they won't have all those ridiculous administrative costs.
Did you know that right now, $0.34 of every $1 spent on health care goes to administration?
That is what is keeping profits low for providers...all that administrative overhead dealing with myriad insurance policies.
nurses and technicians are going to want profitable salaries.
None of that will change and in fact, they will probably see their wages grow significantly since the office they work for is no longer spending $0.34 cents of every $1.00 on administration and can redirect some of that back into wages.
pharmaceuticals are going to want to profit.
FUCK PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES.
FUCK THEM IN THEIR DIRTY, LEECHING ASSES.
Pharma companies DO NOTHING for our current health care system since nearly all of the drugs they develop started out with NIH funding.
Pharma companies spend less than 10% of their budget on development, but they spend as much as 40% of their budget on marketing and advertising.
Why are you simping for pharma companies who poisoned YOUR PEOPLE with opioid addictions for 25 years.
Fuck pharma companies.
Is the 'medicare for all' plan intended to eliminate all private health insurance and big pharma?
Yes. Long overdue.
so we end up with healthcare provided by gov bureaucrats who dictate medical treatments
Why would they dictate medical treatments if there's no profit motive?
The only reason rationing and claim denials happen is because of profits.
What is it about that you aren't understanding? Everything you are so fearful of happening is already happening in the current system.
M4A directly addresses those shortfalls by not rationing care or denying claims.
There is no reason for M4A to ration care or deny claims since the only reason you would do either is to increase your profit margin.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
so you're going to go back to homeopathic and natural remedies instead of drugs?FUCK PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES.
FUCK THEM IN THEIR DIRTY, LEECHING ASSES.
Pharma companies DO NOTHING for our current health care system since nearly all of the drugs they develop started out with NIH funding.
Pharma companies spend less than 10% of their budget on development, but they spend as much as 40% of their budget on marketing and advertising.
Why are you simping for pharma companies who poisoned YOUR PEOPLE with opioid addictions for 25 years.
Fuck pharma companies.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
and i'm guessing that when medicare for all starts running a red line budget, you'll just raise taxes to cover it?Why would they dictate medical treatments if there's no profit motive?
The only reason rationing and claim denials happen is because of profits.
What is it about that you aren't understanding? Everything you are so fearful of happening is already happening in the current system.
M4A directly addresses those shortfalls by not rationing care or denying claims.
There is no reason for M4A to ration care or deny claims since the only reason you would do either is to increase your profit margin.
paid for with taxes, and salary controls.
There isn't a single doctor right now that works for Medicare.
There are doctors who accept Medicare reimbursements, but there's not a single federal doctor who is employed by Medicare.
It doesn't sound to me like you know how our health care system works.
which covers everything I said it would do
Well you're wrong.
The only reason to deny a claim or ration care is if you wanted to make a profit.
So if there is no profit motive, then why would health care be rationed or denied?
you're just changing it from private to government and worsening or destroying the healthcare industry. congrats.
No...by changing it from private to public ownership, you remove the profit motive which is the sole motive for rationing and claim denials.
And you still haven't been able to articulate how M4A will "destroy the health care industry" by giving you the freedom to go to whatever doctor you want.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
There isn't a single doctor right now that works for Medicare.
There are doctors who accept Medicare reimbursements, but there's not a single federal doctor who is employed by Medicare.
It doesn't sound to me like you know how our health care system works.
no, I don't think YOU know how it works.....my doctors don't work for aetna or BCBS, but their practices are governed by them........medicare for all is going to run on a budget margin, not a profit margin.......which is really the same thing, just the other side of looking at it.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
Well you're wrong.
The only reason to deny a claim or ration care is if you wanted to make a profit.
So if there is no profit motive, then why would health care be rationed or denied?
well, you're wrong on the means of profit, but as i said before, medicare for all is going to be run on a government budget, which will necessarily require cost controls, which will necessarily dictate treatment options, etc.
we're just trading private for government.
Again I don't see profit as the enemy of healthcare
Why cure someone of a disease once when you can charge them for treatment and medications for the rest of their lives?
That's not the same as profit.
LOL.
Making money is profit. It's the same thing.
you removed our incentive to risk time and treasure to innovate - it will absolutely hurt us in the long run as you want to take profits out of the equation
It will probably surprise you to learn that almost every single drug "innovated" by a pharma company started out first as an NIH or government grant, including the COVID vaccine.
Pharma companies spend less than 10% on R&D, but they spend 40% on marketing and advertising.
Pharma companies also lied about the dangers of opioids and the "Fentanyl crisis" is a direct result of those lies.
So what "innovation" are you talking about? The innovative ways they market their drugs, that were developed with government funding?
No not at all. The customer and the patient are not the same thing.
In M4A they certainly are.
Because in M4A, all providers are reimbursed at the same rate, so it's on the providers to attract the requisite number of patients in order to hit their profit goals.
That forces doctors to improve outcomes...they have no such compulsion in our current system.
So no, the patient and the customer are the same in M4A.
As long as someone other than the patient is paying the doctor then the patient is not the customer.
The doctor isn't being "paid", they're being reimbursed after the fact for the care they provided to you.
All M4A does is administer that reimbursement, just like an insurance company would, only without the profit motive, so no denied claims or rationing.
That's true if it's the govt or an insurance company.
Of course someone will need to administer all of this, but that is something CMS already does that would simply be expanded. And they can hire all the claims processing folks who worked at the insurance companies to administer it.
So the only people who get the shit end of the stick are executives (who cares?) and marketing/advertising people...but their skills can translate to any industry or market. So they're not really THAT impacted by this.
you are just too dumb to understand the human equation after you introduce price fixing
You are back to using big words and phrases you don't understand because you don't understand this topic.
There already is price fixing right now, it's called a chargemaster.
they doubled 2 years after implementation. my health for my age is exemplary.
Doubled from what to what?
You aren't the best person to determine your health.
I don't know why they keep pulling up that bullshit poll, but it is not true.
Well, according to the poll it is.
So what we have here is you refusing to accept empirical evidence because it runs in direct conflict with your preferred narrative.
You do that ALL THE TIME, BTW.
I don't know a single vet that loves their VA care.
Well, the world doesn't revolve around you and there are millions of people who seem to like it a lot.
So what I think is happening here is that someone convinced you with propaganda that VA care was bad, and you liked hearing that because it affirmed your biases. But you were too chickenshit or lazy to look any further into it, so you dismiss it instead because you won't believe it.
Believing it would force you to change your inherent beliefs but you think that judgment of yours is infallible.
So that's the dissonance.
It's funny...with you fascists, it always, always, always seems to come down to dissonance in the end. Every time. Without fail.
Every fascist/Conservative/Libertarian belief has dissonance at its core.
based upon what you've said, a doctor will get 'reimbursed' the same amount for giving a patient a flu vaccine as they would for treating serious issues like sepsis, right?
The reimbursement RATE is the same for every provider. The reimbursement rate will be the same across every procedure too.
based upon what you've said, a doctor will get 'reimbursed' the same amount for giving a patient a flu vaccine as they would for treating serious issues like sepsis, right?
Wait - are you talking "amount" in gross dollars or as a rate?
They're obviously not going to reimburse the same gross dollars for a flu vaccine as they would chemo. But they would probably reimburse at the same rate.