You call lots of stuff, but it is largely irrelevant.
obama won't accept current war options for afghanistan
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The underlying assumption in the bold is that McChrystal needs more troops now to "secure the are for the troops." There is no indication whatsoever that more troops are needed now for that purpose.
The additional troops McChrystal is requesting are necessary for purposes of implementing the various strategic changes McChrystal is pushing for, not for troop protection. And, in fact, part of the reason why McChrystal wants so many more troops is that the current way was are fighting the war is done to protect the troops from risk and that has to change in order to mount a successful counter-insurgency campaign. McChrystal's plan involves bringing in more troops and exposing them to increased risk.
Edit: By the by, I'm not a new lefty. I've been here for a long, long while. I'm merely trying on a new moniker. Trying to keep things fresh and to provide badly needed pop-culture references from the past to the youngins on the Board.
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What General are you talking about? Everything that I've read indicates that, as opposed to seeking a withdrawal, Obama is merely contemplating how many additional troops to send.
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A whole surge is not possible without a draft.
The public will not allow it.
Its a clusterfuck and we can not do what the Generals want so Obama has told them to get him a plan to get us out.
I am betting that is what is going on.
We will have to wait and see but I am pretty damned sure that is what we are seeing go down.
You said it so ohhh, it must be true. Man, are you starting to make shit up also... You Cons just hate Obama with passion!
Yeah, no indication other than October being the absolute highest body count there since we entered the arena. We have to just turn away from all thought in order to fall in to your form of acceptance. Cover our ears and shout alot and say, "Nobody's dying!" There is no excuse to play with their lives like this, and instead of objecting to it you would rather excuse it because there is a "D" by the name.
You, sir, are just plain going way out of wack with this today. You first pretend that you can't remember the stance I've had all the 8 years or more we've "known" each other online, then you go into this inane stuff because you can't think today. Then you pretend that the General's letter stating he needed more troops in order to at least keep status quo and way more troops if he wanted to turn this around means that he is happy as a pig in mud?
You should leave and come back when you have your head back on right.
Rubbish, there's been draw down in Iraq, and the General hasn't asked for a "whole surge" he asked for a reachable number.
I'm not claiming that no one is dying. I disagree with your opinion as to both the cause and the solution.
And, as I said, you are entitled to. But I believe my track record with Iraq, as well as this theater, stands up. Better than Obama's on Iraq certainly.
Okay, I feel better today and still I ask, "where has anyone, (Ill amend here) other than you, said that Obama is considering abandoning Afganistan? Or did you just make that up??
First I never said "abandon", nor did I suggest he was thinking of leaving rightnowrightnowrightnow.
Only that he wants to now that it is unpopular and that will show in his decision. I made a prediction above as to what I think he will do based on what I see from him. I hope I have to eat those words, but I think it is very likely. His war of necessity has become unpopular and he now wants an out.
Ohh, right you said "he is also considering leaving."
But still cant back that up, it just came out of you hatred for Obama I guess...!
Do you believe that he isn't?
The "attack" of yours must have come directly from your love of your messiah, I guess...
I made it clear what I was saying in posts later in the thread.
I have seen no indication that Obama is considering leaving Afganistan, if he does that I will be very disappointed because I voted for someone who I belive understands the difference between Iraq and Afganistan. Id like to get something set up in Afganistan using an international force to help those people to set up a stable government.
Solely your opinion. Do you have evidence that he isn't considering that?
It seems that when the General says that if you don't do one, then we should leave. (Poop or get off the pot) it clearly indicates that you are considering that option.
I think you reach for any viable excuse for your man, you do exactly what you disliked most about the people who backed Bush.
Since you have no patience and cannot wait for my return and just keep repeating the same thing over and over I will point it out again.
It seems that when the General says that if you don't do one, then we should leave. (Poop or get off the pot) It clearly indicates that you are considering that option when you start vacillating on whether you are going to send those troops.
I think you reach for any viable excuse for your man, you do exactly what you disliked most about the people who backed Bush. It is evident in every post of yours, and it is rather surprisingly sad... I feel disappointed, but I guess I should have expected no less.