Trump-Stormy Daniels settlement at heart of potential NY DA indictment didn't violate

PostmodernProphet said:
the costs, obviously.......seriously did you really need me to explain that to you?.....
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You can't explain it. You can only say something even more stupid.

Stormy can not receive any money if Trump is trying paying his lawyers 'costs'. Stormy can only receive money if A) Cohen gave her a gift, or B) Trump is using Cohen as a flow thru to get her money.


As a lawyer if your trust account pays out a settlement to a third party for a client, you CANNOT hide that payment by classifying everything as 'lawyer costs'. The lawyers costs are the fees EXCLUDING the payment to the third party.

In the case of Stormy receiving $130k, and Cohen paying it for Trump the ONLY thing that qualifies as attorney costs, is what Cohen bills Trump OUTSIDE the $130K transferred to Stormy.

This is basic lawyering 101, something you simply have no comprehension of.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Like most JPP Trumpers, he's just a bitter, elderly geezer with nothing to do but bitch and moan about how he's a victim.
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Ya he is not a lawyer. He has heard a defense given on Fox or Newsmax or one of those type shows and fell for it as he does not understand the law.


He truly believes lawyers can simply pay personally any settlement amount to any third party and then just get that money back as "Attorney fees".


He truly believes this is a thing..

Person 1 has to pay off and silence person 2, $1MM and would be required to disclose it or he breaks the law, and does not want to. No problem. The lawyer can just pay it personally, and then give you a bill for 'attorney fees' to cover the amount and his expenses in doing so and like magic, Person 1 is prevented from having to disclose it and did not break the law.

That is what he believes and he thinks he is making some killer point, as it made sense to him when they said it on Newsmax.
 
QP! said:
Ya he is not a lawyer. He has heard a defense given on Fox or Newsmax or one of those type shows and fell for it as he does not understand the law.


He truly believes lawyers can simply pay personally any settlement amount to any third party and then just get that money back as "Attorney fees".


He truly believes this is a thing..

Person 1 has to pay off and silence person 2, $1MM and would be required to disclose it or he breaks the law, and does not want to. No problem. The lawyer can just pay it personally, and then give you a bill for 'attorney fees' to cover the amount and his expenses in doing so and like magic, Person 1 is prevented from having to disclose it and did not break the law.

That is what he believes and he thinks he is making some killer point, as it made sense to him when they said it on Newsmax.
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A lot of JPP Trumpers watch Tucker for their programming.

If you want to see what JPP Trumpers are whining about the next day, watch Tucker the night before.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Exactly. It's one thing if you vote for someone not knowing what a sleazoid they are. It's quite another if you continue to support them after the facts come out. It's been well known about Trump -- and has been for decades -- that he is an amoral cheating bullying corrupt POS. So there was no excuse whatsoever for electing him, other than the RWers simply do not care. They are as devoid of integrity and ethics as their #MalignantMessiah is.
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I don't think we can at this point 'right winger do not care' as it seems increasingly clear, that the part of the TrumpDerp base that controls primaries does care. That the worse your resume is, the more you are shown to be a liar, and criminal and devoid of all ethics, the better you chance of making it thru the primary is.

We continually see people seeking to win a republican primary, being the worst of the worst, and we see others emphasize the worst aspect of Trumpism and then move a bit more back to the center once elected. But they know they must look horrible and mean and bad to win the primary.

People wonder why George Santos choose to run, knowing it was high odds eventually get exposed for his lies. The answer is every grifter is not considering Politics, and we have seen how many other Santos have joined the GOP who are like Santos.

You are far less likely to get punished for lies and grift in Politics than you would be in a normal job. A lot of it is protected in politics. And they all saw Trump, the king of the grifters, get busted time and time again for his grift and lawness and get away with it because he was in politics. It is now seen as the holy grail for grifters. In every area Santos proved to be a fraud, Trump was shown to be a worse fraud. Santos 'steals charity funds'... Trump 'I raise'. Santos 'dupes supporters and takes their money' ... Trump "I raise".

I mean if you are a Santos type looking to up your grift game Congress thru the GOP has to be the goal now.
 
QP! said:
Client Running for Office - I have this $100,000 i want to use to benefit my campaign and pay a person, but i do not want to have to disclose it
PostModernProphet - Ok well i am lawyer, so i will give that person $100,000K personally and then bill you attorney fees, and it will be all fine and legal that way.


You are the only lawyer in the US stupid enough to think the above makes it legal and fine. If that $100,000 is merely a flow thru, it is campaign contribution and against the law. That is fact and others have cited proof of that to you.

You will not comprehend the above because you are not a lawyer and are stupid but it is all fact.
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sorry, but I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on just how incredibly dense you are....

Every dollar that was paid by Cohen to Stormy that Trump reimbursed him for DOES NOT qualify as 'attorney fees'
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of course not.....they are costs.....
 
Doc Dutch said:
A lot of JPP Trumpers watch Tucker for their programming.

If you want to see what JPP Trumpers are whining about the next day, watch Tucker the night before.
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PostmodernProphet said:
sorry, but I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on just how incredibly dense you are....



of course not.....they are costs.....
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Costs to whom?

I am giving you these baby steps to show you understand the law.

Stormy will receive the money as a "settlement amount received', and file it with the IRS under the appropriate exemption.


Where does she show that money is coming from and who is the one giving it to her claiming 'costs'?


If you say Cohen, what 'costs' did Cohen incur from Stormy that would allow him a justifiable reimbursement of those costs to her those costs?

Costs are not magic. You have to show what 'costs' the other person incurred (Stormy) and why the person paying them did so (Cohen).
 
@Doc Dutch the above is yet another example that PostmodernProphet is eating and echoing right media talking points. They know that 99% of their views are stupid and simply saying 'it is justified because of 'costs',' is enough for them, as they do not understand that the money Stormy received has to have clear and defined reason for why it was paid to her. Stormy is not being reimbursed for costs she incurred, she is being paid to not write a book or go to the media to talk about her affair with Trump.

That is a legal settlement and not costs and she has to file them very differently in her filings.

The persons who gave that money have to give it for the reason she files (legal settlement) or they are filing false statements and breaking the law. That means Cohen must legally book it as a flow thru 'settlement amount' paid on behalf of Trump, and trump must file the portion of money paid to Stormy, by Cohen, as "Settlement Funds', or he is breaking the law.

Just because a lawyer uses his escrow account or otherwise pays your settlement amount for you personally, does not allow for it not to be booked properly.

PostmodernProphet understands none of this and that is clear. I am certain he is not just pretending he is this dumb and does not know. He simply does not know.

i invite you to pay attention how he answers my prior post and demonstrates just how clueless he is that he honestly believes there is a way around Trump and Cohen not having to declare the money paid to Stormy in the legally accurate way.
 
QP! said:
@Doc Dutch the above is yet another example that PostmodernProphet is eating and echoing right media talking points. They know that 99% of their views are stupid and simply saying 'it is justified because of 'costs',' is enough for them, as they do not understand that the money Stormy received has to have clear and defined reason for why it was paid to her. Stormy is not being reimbursed for costs she incurred, she is being paid to not write a book or go to the media to talk about her affair with Trump...
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Elderly people with dementia are unlikely to change their views. JPP has a large number of them...all Trumpers*. LOL

BTW, the @ thing doesn't work. The only way to alert someone with the current software is to quote them. It both alerts them and also includes the "blue caret" hyperlink back to the original message.


*Alt-Right, white supremacists composed primarily of either poorly Euro-American males or have age-related cognitive issues. The latter group is probably in pain too....which makes them cranky.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
client costs are obviously the costs of the client.....Cohen was not the client.......Trump was the client....was this really difficult for you to figure out by yourself.....
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You are saying words that have no meaning but sounded good to you when you heard on them Fox news, proving how incredibly dense you are.

Stormy received a payment of $130,000 paid to her by Cohen that cannot be legally booked as 'costs'. Any lawyer who is not the Lauren Boebert of law knows that.

That money came from Cohen and he cannot book it as 'payment of costs' to Stormy or he is breaking the law.

The money Cohen paid came from Trump who cannot book it as 'payment of costs' as if Cohen was only being paid costs for legal work done and none of the money was flowing thru to Stormy or that is illegal.

As long as Trump knows the money is passing thru Cohen to Stormy, he and Cohen are BOTH breaking the law by calling the $130,000 that went to Stormy as costs.


You prove yourself to be incredibly dense in the areas of law and accounting.
 
I still see this as the equivalent of
charging a guy who bombed school busses
for throwing a gum wrapper on the sidewalk.
 
"I think Bragg is out of time. The statute of limitations is about two years on this offense. That has already run," Turley explained. "You can extend it to five years if you connect it as a felony to another crime. Even at five years, I'm not sure the time has not run out. So there's going to be some very intense challenges here.”
Professor Turley


Trump NY prosecutor is 'outside of his lane': Jonathan Turley

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6 days ago — "One would say Bragg is outside of his lane, but in this case, he's on a completely different highway," Turley said on "Fox & Friends Weekend," ...



Trump, Trump, Trump!
 
QP! said:
That money came from Cohen and he cannot book it as 'payment of costs' to Stormy or he is breaking the law.
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you seem to have no clue what you are talking about.......only an idiot would think he is talking about reimbursing costs to Stormy.......granted I don't operate on the scale that Cohen and Trump work on but when I handle an eviction for a client, I bill them for my fees and my costs, which include the filing fee of the court and the fee of the sheriff who serves the summons and complaint on the tenant. That does not mean I am paying the tenant for THEIR costs.......I am billing the client for costs I have advanced on their behalf.......the money given to Stormy was not HER costs......the money given to Stormy was TRUMP's costs......
 
Criminals are not the far left Democratic Socialist loons’ concern.

Defund the police, no bail, releasing violent criminals...soft as jello on crime.
 
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