We're a pro-choice nation

[SmarterthanYou]

These pro-life fascists never mention that nobody is forcing their obnoxious Stepford wives into getting abortions,
even though I personally strongly favor that. Very strongly favor that, but the fact is that not very many of us do.

They're the minority trying to tell people what to do, and for that, they need to be severely dealt with before the American Taliban runs the entire republic.

so you believe that people shouldn't be held responsible for their actions?

 

[BidenPresident]

why do you think that woman are unable to think and be responsible for their actions? how long have you been a misogynist?

Not relevant to my comment. Looks like your entire moral principle is that women must give birth when pregnant.

 

[BidenPresident]

so you believe that people shouldn't be held responsible for their actions?

Seems like you want to punish pregnant women by forcing them to give birth.

 

[ExpressLane]

And getting more so. Close to 60% consistently in polls support a woman's right to choose.

Everyone has the same goal: make abortions rare.

But keep them legal. It's middle ages stuff to ban them.

Great now they need to take it to their own state. This is not a national issue it is a states right issue as it should have always have been.

 

[ExpressLane]

Seems like you want to punish pregnant women by forcing them to give birth.

No we just want them to be responsible BEFORE they get pregnant. Exercise CHOICE then not after there is a third human to consider.

 

[TOP]

Abortion is birth control for careless and irresponsible people, and we have no shortage of those.

If we excluded such people from access to abortion,
we'd be inflicting "unwanted status" on a lot of babies,
which is infinitely more cruel than humanely aborting them.

And, we'd be making parents out of those careless and irresponsible people.
That's what kids need, right?

I know a lot of people who were actually wanted as infants
and would still have been better off aborted, whether they realize it or not,

Any life in which the rewards don't adequately compensate the travails is a net-negative experience.
People who advocate for the existence of such lives are nothing less than sadists.
It's difficult to not view such misogynists as sadistic villains.

What's really difficult for me is to understand why this isn't obvious to everybody.
People for whom it's obvious and people for whom it isn't are far too incompatible to live in the same republic.
I sincerely believe that, and that's one reason why I'm a partitionist.

So why contribute to making people more careless and more irresponsible by offering that unlimited option? Do me a favor...Please don't tell those people they would have been better off aborted even if that's what you believe... I've been fighting against people who have been doing that my entire career.... I'm really on my BE KIND kick these days...we even had tshirts made.....sold out.. they were super soft.. I pretty much try to get along with everyone....and do.. if that weren't true I would have never been able to do my job... which is one that, even though I'm retired, is never-ending...

 

[BidenPresident]

No we just want them to be responsible BEFORE they get pregnant. Exercise CHOICE then not after there is a third human to consider.

A fetus is not a human.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Not relevant to my comment. Looks like your entire moral principle is that women must give birth when pregnant.

women, just like men, must be responsible for their choices. If you choose to look at pregnancy and childbirth as slavery, that's on you.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

A fetus is not a human.

this is the type of insanity that we need to wipe off the face of the earth. It is an outlook that considers all life as worthless.

 

[BidenPresident]

women, just like men, must be responsible for their choices. If you choose to look at pregnancy and childbirth as slavery, that's on you.

Never said anything about slavery. But your position is clear.

 

[BidenPresident]

this is the type of insanity that we need to wipe off the face of the earth. It is an outlook that considers all life as worthless.

Bad logic. US law does not refer to a fetus as a person.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Never said anything about slavery. But your position is clear.

yep, personal responsibility. it figures that you would consider personal responsibility as being forced to do something you don't want to.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Bad logic. US law does not refer to a fetus as a person.

the law isn't always correct, much like the government being able to regulate/prohibit machine guns.

 

[BidenPresident]

yep, personal responsibility. it figures that you would consider personal responsibility as being forced to do something you don't want to.

You made your position clear. Nothing more to talk about.

 

[BidenPresident]

the law isn't always correct, much like the government being able to regulate/prohibit machine guns.

Law is correct in this case.

 

[Ross Dolan]

that's a misnomer. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a minority to rule over a majority. blocking the majority from wreaking tyranny over them is NOT ruling over the majority.

If over 60% of a population are in favor of something...and only 30% are actively against it...

...where should it shape out?

It is not tyranny on the 30% (who are free to choose not to have an abortion) for abortion to be safe and legal if more than 60% of population say a woman should be allowed that choice.

Where is the tyranny?

 

[Port Tack]

Wrong we are not a pro-choice nation. Sonn you will have to buy an EV there is no choice. A mother killing her child is not a choice it is barbaric and a terrible action taken by the doctor and the Mother

Democrats want abortion right up to birth. The do not want them rare since that would hurt their wonderful Planned Parent hood

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/backlash-builds-after-democrats-vote-legalize-abortion-until-birth

No single person or group has done more to REDUCE the number of abortions performed in this country than Planned Parenthood. That is a simple fact that the right is simply too fucking ignorant to understand or admit to. And yes we ARE a pro-choice nation. There is not a single state where abortions are illegal and about 70% of America says overturning Roe v Wade was wrong. How one can be fucking ignorant enough to claim we aren't a pro-choice nation is incredible. Iran isn't pro-choice, maybe you ought to move there.

 

[ptif219]

No single person or group has done more to REDUCE the number of abortions performed in this country than Planned Parenthood. That is a simple fact that the right is simply too fucking ignorant to understand or admit to. And yes we ARE a pro-choice nation. There is not a single state where abortions are illegal and about 70% of America says overturning Roe v Wade was wrong. How one can be fucking ignorant enough to claim we aren't a pro-choice nation is incredible. Iran isn't pro-choice, maybe you ought to move there.

Stop your lies. Abortion is what they do and they talk women into getting an abortion

 

[Nordberg]

Wrong we are not a pro-choice nation. Sonn you will have to buy an EV there is no choice. A mother killing her child is not a choice it is barbaric and a terrible action taken by the doctor and the Mother

Democrats want abortion right up to birth. The do not want them rare since that would hurt their wonderful Planned Parent hood

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/backlash-builds-after-democrats-vote-legalize-abortion-until-birth

Another profoundly stupid post. Your dumb shit to say keep piling up. Planned Parenthood does extremely few abortions. They provide healthcare to the poor. https://www.npr.org/sections/itsall...lanned-parenthood-spend-that-government-money

 

[Guno צְבִי]

Does Jewish law state that life begins at conception?

No, life does not begin at
conception under Jewish law. Sources in the Talmud note that the fetus is “mere water”
before 40 days of gestation. Following this period, the fetus is considered a physical part of
the pregnant individual’s body, not yet having life of its own or independent rights. The fetus
is not viewed as separate from the parent’s body until birth begins and the first breath of
oxygen into the lungs allows the soul to enter the body.


Does Jewish law assert that it is possible to murder a fetus?

No, Jewish law does not
consider a fetus to be alive. The Torah, Exodus 21:22-23, recounts a story of two men who
are fighting and injure a pregnant woman, resulting in her subsequent miscarriage. The verse
explains that if the only harm done is the miscarriage, then the perpetrator must pay a fine.
However, if the pregnant person is gravely injured, the penalty shall be a life for a life as in
other homicides. The common rabbinical interpretation of this verse is that the men did not
commit murder and that the fetus is not a person. The primary concern is the well-being of
the person who was injured.


According to Jewish law, is abortion health care?

Yes, Jewish sources explicitly state that
abortion is not only permitted but is required should the pregnancy endanger the life or health
of the pregnant individual. Furthermore, “health” is commonly interpreted to encompass
psychological health as well as physical health. NCJW advocates for abortion access as an
essential component of comprehensive, affordable, confidential, and equitable family
planning, reproductive, sexual health, and maternal health services


Abortion Bans Violate Jews' Religious Rights

https://www.brandeis.edu/jewish-experience/social-justice/2022/june/abortion-judaism-joffe.html