Israeli archaeologist ; No evidence to support Israelites. Old Testament is a myth.

Cypress said:
My two cents

Coinage wasn't invented until the 6th century BCE, by the Lydians.

I think the unified kingdom of Solomon and David was a small tribal kingdom, or tribal confederation which did not create monumental stone architecture which is what would be detected in archeological investigation.

The fact that the Hebrew bible contains some extremely unflattering stories about David is circumstantial evidence of it's authenticity. A committee of men sitting around a table and fabricating a fake mythology about a fictional glorious patriarch founder would be unlikely to fabricate unflattering stories
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Mythology comes from word of mouth. Gossip A becomes Gossip B after just a couple of short rounds. By the time it gets to Gossip F you've got demolition trumpets , seas parting and old guys carrying inscribed rocks down mountains. By the time it hits Gossip J you've got virgin births , immortality and ascensions to the moon upon invisible combustible materials.

It's all good fiction- a best seller.

Just tell the kids what it is.
 
Nomad said:
Show us pictures of these artifacts.

If David and Solomon ruled over a kingdom of Israel, there would be ancient coins and tablets with Hebrew writings and old ruins of ancient Jewish cities, etc etc.

Yet, there is NOTHING.

Not one ancient shekel.

The Bible is a fairy tale and the Jews have no legitimate claim to Palestine based on having been there first.
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Nomad said:
:lolup: :laugh: :lolup: :laugh: :lolup: :laugh: :lolup: :laugh: :lolup:
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moon said:
Mythology comes from word of mouth. Gossip A becomes Gossip B after just a couple of short rounds. By the time it gets to Gossip F you've got demolition trumpets , seas parting and old guys carrying inscribed rocks down mountains. By the time it hits Gossip J you've got virgin births , immortality and ascensions to the moon upon invisible combustible materials.

It's all good fiction- a best seller.

Just tell the kids what it is.
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You obviously don't know what biblical critical exegesis is.

Myth makers don't make up fake derogatory or unflattering stories about their fake hero patriarchs.

None of the mythology of George Washington contains derogatory stories. It's only though scholarly historical analysis that we know unflattering information about George Washington.

The ancient Hebrew priests wouldn't have sat in committee and fabricated unflattering stories about a fake patriarch who was supposed to be the glorious fictional patriarch of the Jewish nation.

That's why extremely unflattering stories of David have the ring of authenticity. There probably is a kernel of truth to them.
 
Cypress said:
You obviously don't know what biblical critical exegesis is.

Myth makers don't make up fake derogatory or unflattering stories about their fake hero patriarchs.

None of the mythology of George Washington contains derogatory stories. It's only though scholarly historical analysis that we know unflattering information about George Washington.

The ancient Hebrew priests wouldn't have sat in committee and fabricated unflattering stories about a fake patriarch who was supposed to be the glorious fictional patriarch of the Jewish nation.

That's why extremely unflattering stories of David have the ring of authenticity. There probably is a kernel of truth to them.
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this is pretty fucking stupid.
 
JesusAI said:
hmmm, sounds gay.
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Only due to your ignorance and lack of education.

What you call 'stupid', is what scholars of antiquity at Harvard, Yale, and Cambridge call a criterion of literary exegesis.

"The criterion of embarrassment is a type of historical analysis in which a historical account is deemed likely to be true under the inference that the author would have no reason to invent a historical account which might embarrass them." -- Wikipedia
 
Cypress said:
Only due to your ignorance and lack of education.

What you call 'stupid', is what scholars of antiquity at Harvard, Yale, and Cambridge call a criterion of literary exegesis.

"The criterion of embarrassment is a type of historical analysis in which a historical account is deemed likely to be true under the inference that the author would have no reason to invent a historical account which might embarrass them." -- Wikipedia
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this theory is not strong enough to perpetuate a mid-east theocratic murder regime.
 
Nomad said:
There are other ancient artifacts besides coinage though.

And the buildings would not have to have been of a grand scale.

Jewelry, pottery, artworks, ruins of residential dwellings, etc all have been associated with the ancient Egyptian civilizations of the same time period.

I've read some opinions of archeologists and historians that say if these "kingdoms" existed, they were likely more akin to small villages, where the inhabitants probably lived in small dwellings. I'm guessing maybe tents or huts of some kind, but they were part of a larger population of non-Jews all inhabiting the region.

At any rate, I just think that over the millennia, the stories got told and retold and got successively more exaggerated. But the long and short of it is IMO, that there was no historical right based on "we were here first" for the Zionists to have stolen the Palestinians' land from them.
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I agree there is no evidence of a wealthy, sophisticated, powerful regional kingdom during the unified monarchy. A smallish tribal Kingdom probably fits the available evidence.

The Rome that Romulus allegedly founded was just some huts along the Tiber river, and it probably basically stayed that way for centuries
 
Cypress said:
I agree there is no evidence of a wealthy, sophisticated, powerful regional kingdom during the unified monarchy. A smallish tribal Kingdom probably fits the available evidence.

The Rome that Romulus allegedly founded was just some huts along the Tiber river, and it probably basically stayed that way for centuries
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it was recorded that his shit smelled bad; that's embarrasing so he must be real.
 
Cypress said:
I agree there is no evidence of a wealthy, sophisticated, powerful regional kingdom during the unified monarchy. A smallish tribal Kingdom probably fits the available evidence.

The Rome that Romulus allegedly founded was just some huts along the Tiber river, and it probably basically stayed that way for centuries
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Yes, but even more to the point, they probably weren't the only ones or even the most populous or powerful ones inhabiting what became Palestine, including Jerusalem and the rest of what became modern day Israel via the theft of the land from the people who'd occupied it under the rule of various outside countries, for over a thousand years.
 
JesusAI said:
some old papyrus that isnt online.

but it proves unam sanctam.
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So are you saying that you dug up and sniffed his old, used ass wiping paper?

I don't think you really needed to go to such lengths.

The conventional wisdom being that everyone's shit stinks, you could have just assumed it to be true and we'd have all taken your word for it.

Still doesn't prove anything else, though.
 
Nomad said:
So are you saying that you dug up and sniffed his old, used ass wiping paper?

I don't think you really needed to go to such lengths.

The conventional wisdom being that everyone's shit stinks, you could have just assumed it to be true and we'd have all taken your word for it.

Still doesn't prove anything else, though.
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the embarrassment theory is dumb.


it proves nothing.
 
Nomad said:
Yes, but even more to the point, they probably weren't the only ones or even the most populous or powerful ones inhabiting what became Palestine, including Jerusalem and the rest of what became modern day Israel via the theft of the land from the people who'd occupied it under the rule of various outside countries, for over a thousand years.
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I leave it to the geneticists to sort it out, but the Hebrews and other semitic people of the Levant are probably closely related.

The fact is, Israel is an internationally recognized country. As far as I am concerned, their obligation is to ensure equal rights to their own Palestinian Arab citizens in Israel, and genuinely work for a two state solution for Palestinians living outside Israel in the West Bank.
 
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