Understanding Socialism

[ib1yysguy]

i believe that the government, owning/operating its own insurance company, something traditionally left to private entities, is a socialist policy....just as if the government owned an auto company....oh wait, they do

Well, that's because you're retarded.

 

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Well, that's because you're retarded.

maybe you could explain how i am wrong.....there's a novel idea

 

[ib1yysguy]

maybe you could explain how i am wrong.....there's a novel idea

They buy into the system with their own money. The system is self sustained with premiums paid into it and it cant' be bailed out. That's part of both bills in the house and senate. People BUY INTO THE PROGRAM and they get a service in return, and it's administered by the government. That's not socialism, you idiot, particularly since it's in direct competition with private sector insurers.

Socialism has come to mean any government program at all in Republicanspeak. The term is absolutely meaningless when used to describe anything and everything.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

To provide those with greater resources greater convienance and quality at a higher price. It's the same issue with public education. There are some outstanding private educational institutions in this nation not one of which is even remotely capable of providing a quality education to the masses of people, thus we have public education and that's why there is a demand for a public option in health care. This fucking "socialism" bogeyman is for the brain dead. There is a time and a place of socialized programs in our nation. Particularly when the problem(s) being faced are as huge as public education, public health, national defense, etc.

The rantings of a Dixie are the rantings of an ideologue who cares more for his/her ideology then solving problems.

But why would anyone want "greater convienance and quality" if the SYSTEM is so great??

Are you trying to imply that it's not all that convnenant and that maybe the quality isn't that great??

 

[USFREEDOM911]

For money. Why else?

As I mentioned before the average cost for a blood draw and work-up runs around $125.00+ at a private clinic. Wait time: 15 minutes, in and out.

A government run clinic is free. Wait time: one hour, in and out.

Some people want special service. It's no different than going to a fine restaurant for dinner and paying $40.00 just for the entrée or going to a family restaurant and getting the entire meal, dessert included, for $9.95. Salmon is salmon regardless of what spices it has or marinade it sat in. If one is to avoid red meat and increase their fish intake both versions of salmon satisfy the requirement.

The problem with private clinics is not that they offer a choice. The problem is the person who goes there does not want to pay the tax everyone else pays for government medical because they are paying the doctor themselves. Of course, if they have a financial set-back or are struck with a major illness and can't afford a private clinic any longer guess where they go.

So, we end up with the "big shot" paying privately for their medical while bad-mouthing the government plan and then crawling back to the government plan when circumstances change. As soon as they're facing a procedure costing over $100,000 and not covered by their private insurance their "specialness" takes a back seat.

Maybe if the government gave people the option to either have their own insurance or be on a government plan.....hmmm, isn't that what Obama wanted? A government option? Why would private insurance companies be against that if they are so much better? Wouldn't people choose the better, private plan? It appears the private insurers don't think so. I wonder why.

Your Resturant analogy seems to imply that just maybe the Government supplied services don't offer the "really good stuff" and instead are just getting by!!

 

[Lowaicue]

maybe you could explain how i am wrong.....there's a novel idea

A serious question. I am sure, though that the enormous chip you are proud to carry on your shoulder will prevent an answer.
Yurt, how old are you? No need for accuracy, are you older than 20, older than 4, older than 60?
I ask because, if as I suspect, you are quite young and inexperienced your attitude and, to some extent your opinions, might be more understandable. You clearly do not understand politics but seem quite interested.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

A serious question. I am sure, though that the enormous chip you are proud to carry on your shoulder will prevent an answer.
Yurt, how old are you? No need for accuracy, are you older than 20, older than 4, older than 60?
I ask because, if as I suspect, you are quite young and inexperienced your attitude and, to some extent your opinions, might be more understandable. You clearly do not understand politics but seem quite interested.

How about you stop talking down to people, asshole! I've noticed you do this quite a bit, and it's a really chicken shit way to debate people. If you have some point to make, or better yet, some refutation of Yurt's points, post that! Don't start trying to act like you are some intellectual giant who is out of his league, who felt compelled to patronize him. You are a fucking jerk, and you lack the mental wattage of a small appliance bulb, as best I can see. You sure as hell don't have much room to be putting down others.

 

[Lowaicue]

How about you stop talking down to people, asshole! I've noticed you do this quite a bit, and it's a really chicken shit way to debate people. If you have some point to make, or better yet, some refutation of Yurt's points, post that! Don't start trying to act like you are some intellectual giant who is out of his league, who felt compelled to patronize him. You are a fucking jerk, and you lack the mental wattage of a small appliance bulb, as best I can see. You sure as hell don't have much room to be putting down others.

I suppose that comment is the result of a somewhat restricted education and upbringing. I do NOT wish to treat Yurt as a raving idiot if his age is a contributing factor. You it seems carry a similar chip on your shoulder albeit several times bigger.
Of course few people could possibly talk 'up' to you. They would have to be pretty low, don't you agree?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I suppose that comment is the result of a somewhat restricted education and upbringing. I do NOT wish to treat Yurt as a raving idiot if his age is a contributing factor. You it seems carry a similar chip on your shoulder albeit several times bigger.
Of course few people could possibly talk 'up' to you. They would have to be pretty low, don't you agree?

No, that comment is the result of you acting like an asshole, asshole. You can't debate intellectually with Yurt, so you have to pretend to be coy, ask him his age, and insinuate he is perhaps 'too young' to be on the same level of wisdom as you. This is what chicken shits do when they can't debate, and I called you on it. Now you're going to try and pull the same trick on me, but you've been faced already. Exposed as the chicken shit fraud you are.

You can step up to the plate and tell Yurt (or me) how we are wrong in what socialism is, or you can continue to insult and put people down, and act like a jerk, I don't care... I don't have a dog in the hunt. I made my point, you haven't refuted anything I posted, and you can't. You're a chicken shit liberal coward FRAUD!

 

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They buy into the system with their own money. The system is self sustained with premiums paid into it and it cant' be bailed out. That's part of both bills in the house and senate. People BUY INTO THE PROGRAM and they get a service in return, and it's administered by the government. That's not socialism, you idiot, particularly since it's in direct competition with private sector insurers.

Socialism has come to mean any government program at all in Republicanspeak. The term is absolutely meaningless when used to describe anything and everything.

last i checked...."buy" was voluntarily.....you're talking about a system where citizens are forced to fork over their money, in the form of taxes etc....to support a government insurance program.....if obama's plan or "system" had citizens voluntarily "buying" with their OWN money.....you would have a point.....

i support the plan, but that doesn't make it any less socialist because you don't have a clue what socialism means

 

[ib1yysguy]

last i checked...."buy" was voluntarily.....you're talking about a system where citizens are forced to fork over their money, in the form of taxes etc....to support a government insurance program.....if obama's plan or "system" had citizens voluntarily "buying" with their OWN money.....you would have a point.....

i support the plan, but that doesn't make it any less socialist because you don't have a clue what socialism means

Idiot,

Your taxes don't go to support the government insurance program. As I explained, both the house and senate bills say that the program has to be self sufficient on the premiums that are paid by people buying into it and it can't be supported by other government monies. That makes it 100 percent voluntary. That's why it's a fucking public OPTION.

The money you'll be taxed for (most likely, you wont be taxed since the way they're going to pay for this stuff is coming out of the pockets of the super wealthy) is going to go for subsidies to the poor who can't afford insurance. Then they can take those subsidies and buy insurance from the exchange WHICH INCLUDES PRIVATE INSURERS AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC OPTION.

So, retard, as you see, you're totally wrong. People buy into it, it's supported by its own premiums, and it's totally voluntary. And you're fucking retarded and ignorant.

 

[Lowaicue]

No, that comment is the result of you acting like an asshole, asshole. You can't debate intellectually with Yurt, so you have to pretend to be coy, ask him his age, and insinuate he is perhaps 'too young' to be on the same level of wisdom as you. This is what chicken shits do when they can't debate, and I called you on it. Now you're going to try and pull the same trick on me, but you've been faced already. Exposed as the chicken shit fraud you are.

You can step up to the plate and tell Yurt (or me) how we are wrong in what socialism is, or you can continue to insult and put people down, and act like a jerk, I don't care... I don't have a dog in the hunt. I made my point, you haven't refuted anything I posted, and you can't. You're a chicken shit liberal coward FRAUD!

LOL. chicken shit (how 'southern'), liberal (how misguided), coward (how misinformed), fraud (how frustrated you sound who lacks the ability to form insults that mean anything).
Dixie, grow up. Get a life. Get an education. then Get back to me. Dogs?? What the hell are you wittering on about?

 

[Lowaicue]

Idiot,

Your taxes don't go to support the government insurance program. As I explained, both the house and senate bills say that the program has to be self sufficient on the premiums that are paid by people buying into it and it can't be supported by other government monies. That makes it 100 percent voluntary. That's why it's a fucking public OPTION.

The money you'll be taxed for (most likely, you wont be taxed since the way they're going to pay for this stuff is coming out of the pockets of the super wealthy) is going to go for subsidies to the poor who can't afford insurance. Then they can take those subsidies and buy insurance from the exchange WHICH INCLUDES PRIVATE INSURERS AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC OPTION.

So, retard, as you see, you're totally wrong. People buy into it, it's supported by its own premiums, and it's totally voluntary. And you're fucking retarded and ignorant.

Sorry, but are we supposed to recognise these people?

 

[Beefy]

Idiot,

Your taxes don't go to support the government insurance program. As I explained, both the house and senate bills say that the program has to be self sufficient on the premiums that are paid by people buying into it and it can't be supported by other government monies. That makes it 100 percent voluntary. That's why it's a fucking public OPTION.

The money you'll be taxed for (most likely, you wont be taxed since the way they're going to pay for this stuff is coming out of the pockets of the super wealthy) is going to go for subsidies to the poor who can't afford insurance. Then they can take those subsidies and buy insurance from the exchange WHICH INCLUDES PRIVATE INSURERS AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC OPTION.

So, retard, as you see, you're totally wrong. People buy into it, it's supported by its own premiums, and it's totally voluntary. And you're fucking retarded and ignorant.

How many sides are there to your mouth?

Duh, uh, hey stupid, duh, yooo wont be taxed for whut yooo buy!!! *snort* Dats why its an option!!

Yooo just pay for people who can't afford it!!1!

See?

 

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Idiot,

Your taxes don't go to support the government insurance program. As I explained, both the house and senate bills say that the program has to be self sufficient on the premiums that are paid by people buying into it and it can't be supported by other government monies. That makes it 100 percent voluntary. That's why it's a fucking public OPTION.

The money you'll be taxed for (most likely, you wont be taxed since the way they're going to pay for this stuff is coming out of the pockets of the super wealthy) is going to go for subsidies to the poor who can't afford insurance. Then they can take those subsidies and buy insurance from the exchange WHICH INCLUDES PRIVATE INSURERS AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC OPTION.

So, retard, as you see, you're totally wrong. People buy into it, it's supported by its own premiums, and it's totally voluntary. And you're fucking retarded and ignorant.

how cute....you first started out by stating it will be their own money.....as if they willingly give up their money to fund this program....

i can't even believe you are claiming that our taxes will not fund the government insurance program.....you miss the part about the penalties...

further....and i really can't believe you don't see this....if it is so voluntarily, and if the people who NEED it have to BUY into it.....(then you admit that it will be taxed by the "super" wealthy).....why can't they get it now?

why is it they need a government run insurance? and you still haven't explained how a government run insurance is not socialist....

 

[ib1yysguy]

Sorry, but are we supposed to recognise these people?

Dixie's not worth talking to. He's known for making up his own facts. He won't debate the merits of the bills actually proposed. He'd rather talk about how they're trying to create government run hospitals and death panels and take away your freedoms or something.

Yurt can be reasoned with, but only when he's not in one of his retarded moods.

 

[Lowaicue]

Dixie's not worth talking to. He's known for making up his own facts. He won't debate the merits of the bills actually proposed. He'd rather talk about how they're trying to create government run hospitals and death panels and take away your freedoms or something.

Yurt can be reasoned with, but only when he's not in one of his retarded moods.

Does anyone know who they are? Are they well known in America or is just a random picture from the internet?

 

[apple0154]

Your Resturant analogy seems to imply that just maybe the Government supplied services don't offer the "really good stuff" and instead are just getting by!!

In that case the people won't buy the government plan.

That's the hypocrisy of the insurance companies and other medical personnel who bad-mouth a government plan. "It's no good." "The people won't like it." "It's inferior." Blah, blah, blah.

Wouldn't all businesses want inferior competition? They should be pushing for a government plan. The people will see it's a complete failure and the insurance companies will look even better.

Hmmm, something doesn't add up. Fighting tooth and nail against something everyone knows will be inferior.

What's wrong with that picture?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

In that case the people won't buy the government plan.

That's the hypocrisy of the insurance companies and other medical personnel who bad-mouth a government plan. "It's no good." "The people won't like it." "It's inferior." Blah, blah, blah.

Wouldn't all businesses want inferior competition? They should be pushing for a government plan. The people will see it's a complete failure and the insurance companies will look even better.

Hmmm, something doesn't add up. Fighting tooth and nail against something everyone knows will be inferior.

What's wrong with that picture?

You're right... We should all embrace and welcome something inferior! Not only that, but we should all be willing to open our wallets and pay out the ass for something inferior! While we're at it, we should just cede all our rights back to the government, because we are too stupid and ignorant to ever make decisions on our own, and the government is much better at handling our money and our health! What the fuck could we possibly be thinking?

 

[christiefan915]

How about you stop talking down to people, asshole! I've noticed you do this quite a bit, and it's a really chicken shit way to debate people. If you have some point to make, or better yet, some refutation of Yurt's points, post that! Don't start trying to act like you are some intellectual giant who is out of his league, who felt compelled to patronize him. You are a fucking jerk, and you lack the mental wattage of a small appliance bulb, as best I can see. You sure as hell don't have much room to be putting down others.

...says the king of putdowns.