A far left liberals point of veiw on gun laws.

CaptBillyTheKid said:
It's already been posted, about 1,500 accidental deaths every year. That's pretty low compared to deaths involving stuff like cars, OD on drugs, fire, accidental choking, drowning, Etc.
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LOL ahh not lol
1,500 is low in gun accidents WTF
I live on a different planet brother, that's 1,498 too many
 
wanderingbear said:
Yes. I would like to see every gun in the U.S. destroyed. But I think that would be like trying to eliminate drugs from society. It just isn't going to happen.
Prohibition has never worked and never will. Eather for drugs, guns or anything else.
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WB great to see you here dude!

I am a poster you used to know as deshrubinator or desh.

Glad to see you back here
 
Hey wanderingbear....I'm still known as leaningright just like of Politics.com and Fullpolitics.com. One left from the old days. We never agreed on a whole lot but I like to read diverse opinions so I did enjoy those days.
 
WinterBorn said:
He is making a valid point in one respect. If the jails are filled with nonviolent drug offenders, we have overcrowding conditions and release violent felons back into society.

The laws that demand set times for possession of pot keep the dope smokers in prison.

There should be radically different sentences for those who simply smoke pot and those who threaten the lives of our citizens. This is not happening.
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I'm not saying that laws shouldn't be or couldn't be changed; but you can't tell me that the majority of those jailed for violating marijuana laws are violating them in the sense of "CIVIL DISOBEDIANCE".

They are breaking a law that is currently in effect.
 
CaptBillyTheKid said:
Yeah, no I didn't. I said most. And from my experience, where ALL my OPINIONS come from, it's been pretty accurate. And your class would also probably tell you about the vast amount of crime caused by the prohibition of drugs right? Or do they ignore those lil tidbits?
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It appears that she wants others to value her opinion; but doesn't seem to value yours.

:palm:
 
wanderingbear said:
Yes. I would like to see every gun in the U.S. destroyed. But I think that would be like trying to eliminate drugs from society. It just isn't going to happen.
Prohibition has never worked and never will. Eather for drugs, guns or anything else.
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not only that, but how high of a body count would you consider reasonable in trying to destroy peoples guns?
 
Topspin said:
Local NewsShare this article:0 Comments Email this article Print this article YouNews™ Digg this! Save to Delicious Post to Facebook Share on Twitter Thibodaux man arrested after shooting brother
by Houma Courier

Posted on December 10, 2009 at 7:00 AM

Updated today at 7:00 AM


THIBODAUX — A Thibodaux man was arrested on gun- and drug-possession charges after accidentally shooting his brother Tuesday night, Thibodaux Police said.

Courtney Owens, 29, 2127 Audubon Drive, Apt. 38, said he shot his brother after mistaking him for an intruder, according to police.

Officers responded to reports of a shooting at the apartments around 11 p.m., police said. They found the 22-year-old victim lying on the floor with a gunshot wound to his torso.

Acadian Ambulance took the victim to Thibodaux Regional Hospital, where he underwent surgery and is expected to live, police said.

Owens led police to his vehicle, where they found a semiautomatic handgun, according to a report. They took it as evidence.

Detectives on the scene later located two pounds of suspected marijuana in the apartment, police said.

Detective Joey Quinn said police also found $13,000 in cash in the apartment.

Owens was arrested and taken to the Thibodaux Police Department, where he was charged with possession of a firearm while committing violence or distribution or sale of narcotics, and possession with the intent to distribute schedule I narcotics.

He was later released after posting a $15,000 bond.
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And, without a prohibition on drugs, he more than likely would not have any reason to be violent, as he's probably a dealer.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I'm not saying that laws shouldn't be or couldn't be changed; but you can't tell me that the majority of those jailed for violating marijuana laws are violating them in the sense of "CIVIL DISOBEDIANCE".

They are breaking a law that is currently in effect.
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I agree that they are breaking the law. And until those laws are changed, they should expect to face some sort of punishment if caught.

But many of the current possession laws have mandatory sentences attached that require they do their time in full. Violent crimes often get off with "good behavior".

This causes overcrowded conditions and the release of the dangerous felons while keeping the dope smokers locked up.

This is pure madness.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I'm not saying that laws shouldn't be or couldn't be changed; but you can't tell me that the majority of those jailed for violating marijuana laws are violating them in the sense of "CIVIL DISOBEDIANCE".

They are breaking a law that is currently in effect.
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is a law a valid law if it has no constitutional basis or power behind it?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
is a law a valid law if it has no constitutional basis or power behind it?
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according to scotus you are required to obey the law until there is a resolution on it, else you can lawfully be detained, i think the cases are right to speech/assembly cases, but IIRC, unless a (a mayor example or city for example) makes a law requiring X permit etc is blatently unconstitutional (good luck proving that one while you sit in jail), you must obey the law and petition the courts.....
 
Topspin said:
shit there are hundreds if not thousand of accidental deaths each year.
Far more numerous are the trailor trash morons shooting thier family or friends over stupid shit like card games or Bama football.
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"...hundreds if not thousands..."

Why not make it millions, seeing as how you're speculating?? :palm:
 
WinterBorn said:
I agree that they are breaking the law. And until those laws are changed, they should expect to face some sort of punishment if caught.

But many of the current possession laws have mandatory sentences attached that require they do their time in full. Violent crimes often get off with "good behavior".

This causes overcrowded conditions and the release of the dangerous felons while keeping the dope smokers locked up.

This is pure madness.
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Then they should be working to change the laws, not breaking them and then complaining about the consequences.

This is like me believing the speed limit on my way to work is to low, so I'm going to drive as fast as I want and then complain when I get a ticket.
 
Yurt said:
according to scotus you are required to obey the law until there is a resolution on it,
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please provide the cite/case for that opinion. I do know that SCOTUS has said that a law must be considered constitutionally valid until it hears the case, but was it ever reported by anyone that that decision overturned marbury v. madison?

Yurt said:
else you can lawfully be detained,
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has there been a case that overturned all the precedent of resisting an illegal/unlawful arrest?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Then they should be working to change the laws, not breaking them and then complaining about the consequences.

This is like me believing the speed limit on my way to work is to low, so I'm going to drive as fast as I want and then complain when I get a ticket.
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No, this is like giving time in prison for speeding.
 
Threedee said:
You are missing the point. The fact is that AF women do tend to cut, overdose, etc. rather than use lethal force. In otherwards, they don't seem to behave any differently than their civillian counterparts when it comes to attempting suicide.
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Well what little I have read on suicide attempts people seem to want to do it to feel pain physically like it connects to their emotions or something. So perhaps that's why women use cutting and overdosing etc. than guns. Perhaps it's just something built into your brain over the yrs about women and guns or something.
 
wanderingbear said:
What gets me is the large amount of non violent pot heads that fills the jails and prisons just because they want to get high. I mean thats got to be costing alot of money and wasted jail space that could go to better uses,like keeping violent offenders in prisions. Or useing that money to fund health care or education.
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Yep. In my Corrections class last term I had to do a paper on something with corrections and I did it on mental health issues and drugs and I talked to someone who is a former C.O. in a county jail (not prison) and he had to deal with a lot of different types of offenders and he said how people in whether jail or prison guards aren't trained to take care of people who have mental issues or drug issues. I think there should be a new system for those who do have mental issues and drug issues. People arrested for drug charges should have the choice of rehabilitation. I bet we'd have plenty of room then. Plus it will help with not continuing the cycle. In prison with drug users they don't get any help. They're just off drugs cold turkey and once they get out they have the high chance of going back to drugs. Drugs get passed around in prison and prisoners also have this drink they make that gives them a sort of alcoholic buzz that feeds into it. It's ridiculous. But you should check out LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition). I believe as an organization they're for legalizing all drugs which makes sense and can be controlled better. Plus it'll take away money from gangs and dealers.
 
WinterBorn said:
On this we agree. We have far too many gun laws that are not being enforced. If we separated the violent offenders from those who committed drug offenses and property crimes, would could incarcerate the violent ones easier and more efficiently.
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Yep. Lots of gun shows and places like that aren't strict about passing background checks and the like. I bet that would help a lot.
 
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