What happened to Hope Witsell

Wow, I think we have found the perfect drinking buddy for Grind. Everything that Billy has said could just as easily have been uttered by Grind!!

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Threedee said:
Wow, I think we have found the perfect drinking buddy for Grind. Everything that Billy has said could just as easily have been uttered by Grind!!

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Grind appears to have decent taste in beer. But Grind probably wouldn't get along well with me. I'm loud when I drink. And very opinionated.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
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The parents are to blame? are you insane?

I can easily find blame to be laid on the school and most definitely the other students, but the parents were damned right to ground her in any way they see fit, but to blame the parents for proper discipline and not just flat out beating the snot out of her, total liberal rubbish.
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I'd like to know what business the school has in suspending her, unless they can somehow tie this into her doing it at school.
If the picture was shown at school then the one that should be suspended, is the one who showed the picture.
 
evince said:
And that punishment helped end her life.

Punishing someone is not how you teach them its how you show your power over someone.

They are her tits and she had the right to show them to whom she chose.

What her parents needed to do was to talk to her and TEACH her when and how to show her tits to someone that protected her against such a societal backlash.

She needed someone to show her she was still loved at home even when the world turns against her.

They are tits for christ sake, every woman has them and they are for feeding babies.

The fact that men get all hard about them is no reason to hang an albatross arround a young girls neck for thinking hers are cute and her special guy would like a picture.

You are one who would react just like these parents did, It is all about your rep and not for her edification.
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"...They are her tits and she had the right to show them to whom she chose..."

You're an idiot and probably a child molester.
 
Watermark said:
It's vile and disgusting that they punished this VICTIM. Anyone who disagrees should be shot. She did NOTHING WRONG. If only we could trade the lives of the worthless people who are responsible for her death to get a good person like her back.
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You need to stick your head in a gas oven, turn it on, and then strike a match.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I'd like to know what business the school has in suspending her, unless they can somehow tie this into her doing it at school.
If the picture was shown at school then the one that should be suspended, is the one who showed the picture.
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Yeah, I will agree the school overstepped it's bounds, by a lot.
 
Watermark said:
I've appointed grind to assassinate you for your statements, Capt.
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Sweet. He's welcome to try, as are you. My address is:

William Ballew
20767 Marter Road
Grosse Pointe Woods, MI 48236

I won't post my work address, don't wanna bother my boss with my personal affairs, however my work hours are from 8-6pm mon-sat.
 
CaptBillyTheKid said:
Sweet. He's welcome to try, as are you. My address is:

William Ballew
20767 Marter Road
Grosse Pointe Woods, MI 48236

I won't post my work address, don't wanna bother my boss with my personal affairs, however my work hours are from 8-6pm mon-sat.
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OH-GREAT!!
Now waterstain is going to start sending you love letters. :palm:
 
SmarterThanYou said:
not at 13 years old she doesn't. ask law enforcement.

The law does not punish the minor for showing their body

I don't know what exact punishment other than what was stated in the article occurred, but she needed to have the internet and cell taken away to teach her that lesson to not do it til she's of age.You dont know how to teach morality if you think taking things away and punishing will teach someone morals

again, 13 years old. not of age. not happening.
You have NO idea how to teach a young woman about her body and her respect for themselves. They need to love it and not see it as dirty, they need to know it is theres alone (not your property to tell her what to do with), they need to be able to share it at their sill, they need to know you trust them to act in their own best interest adn NOT YOURS.

don't pretend to know how I would act and why. you're not good at it.
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The ONLY way you can teach morals is to talk to someone honestly. To pretend putting someone on restriction and taking things away will teach morals is a complete failure of parenting.
 
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CaptBillyTheKid said:
I understand all of that Desh. I was at that stage not too long ago. But honestly, suicide is just giving up, because getting up again is too hard. Now if you feel the parents were too harsh, I won't agree or disagree on that point. I don't know what being a parent is like or honestly the best way to do it. But they didn't kill their daughter.
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I never said they did.

I said I blame them the most.

A parent is the one person who should give you a sense of being loved even when the world seems to have turned on you.

When they did not allow make sure she had someone to come to and someone who still had some respect for her then they failed her.

The world is NOT going to be nice to your kids, a parent needs to teach a kid that the world will turn on them at some point in their lives and how to deal with it.

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

That is what kids need to have drummed into their heads. There will come in EVERYONES life a time when they think the future is just too bleek to go on. They always need to be taught how to get from that momment to the moment when they can again get to the feeling og hope.

When your kid gfets in trouble you always make sure they know their is a path to winning back trust. This young girls parents did not give her that did they?
 
evince said:
The law does not punish the minor for showing their body
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wake the hell up. there are dozens of news articles out there charging teenage girls and boys with the production and distribution of child porn because of the exact same thing this poor young girl did.

evince said:
You dont know how to teach morality if you think taking things away and punishing will teach someone morals
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I apparently know a hell of alot more about it than you do if you seriously think that a 13 year old girl has the right to show her body to anyone she chooses.

evince said:
You have NO idea how to teach a young woman about her body and her respect for themselves. They need to love it and not see it as dirty, they need to know it is theres alone (not your property to tell her what to do with), they need to be able to share it at their sill, they need to know you trust them to act in their own best interest adn NOT YOURS.
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firstly, I NEVER said I would punish them to make them feel it was dirty. I DID say I would punish them because it could get them in serious legal trouble.
Secondly, that 13 year old daughter is MY responsibility to protect and nurture and you have ZERO business sticking your nose in how I raise her. I grew up in a house of women with no male influence. I have raised two daughters in my lifetime and one step daughter. Two of them are decent and respectable young ladies who are completely comfortable with who and what they are. The stepdaughter has issues because I was handicapped with a father who thinks just like you do.

evince said:
The ONLY way you can teach morals is to talk to someone honestly. To pretend putting someone on restriction and taking things away will teach morals is a complete failure of parenting.
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you have zero clue about how to parent, apparently. I take it that this is because of your liberal stance. It's part of whats wrong with our society today.
 
evince said:
The ONLY way you can teach morals is to talk to someone honestly. To pretend putting someone on restriction and taking things away will teach morals is a complete failure of parenting.
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Since you're inclusions, that you put in the previous statement, didn't quote; I can only say that you are wrong abouit her showing her body.

The original statement was that she could show it to who she wanted and how you're changing it to be against the law.

You get a 13 year old who is exposing herself to whoever and she runs a good chance of being decleared delinquent and that is the law stepping in.

Since you obviously have, or have raised, a 13 year old girl; I can only draw the conclusion that you allowed her to show her body to who ever she wanted to.

Your morals suck. :palm:
 
SmarterThanYou said:
wake the hell up. there are dozens of news articles out there charging teenage girls and boys with the production and distribution of child porn because of the exact same thing this poor young girl did.

I apparently know a hell of alot more about it than you do if you seriously think that a 13 year old girl has the right to show her body to anyone she chooses.


firstly, I NEVER said I would punish them to make them feel it was dirty. I DID say I would punish them because it could get them in serious legal trouble.
Secondly, that 13 year old daughter is MY responsibility to protect and nurture and you have ZERO business sticking your nose in how I raise her. I grew up in a house of women with no male influence. I have raised two daughters in my lifetime and one step daughter. Two of them are decent and respectable young ladies who are completely comfortable with who and what they are. The stepdaughter has issues because I was handicapped with a father who thinks just like you do.



you have zero clue about how to parent, apparently. I take it that this is because of your liberal stance. It's part of whats wrong with our society today.
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They had to throw in the "dirty" part; because that way they can use the argument that she should be able to do what ever she wants, even have sex at 13.
 
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