I think disparate impact is more of a political than legal concern (at least today). Discrimination based on race is clearly an intended goal of the 14th amendment. Discrimination based on legacy, not so much. College admissions criteria also include geography, ability to overcome adversity (leading to professional essay writers), first generation college students...How many of these are protected under the equal protection clause? Seems like we can get too broad with equal protection.
The Good Old Days....but for whom?
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I think disparate impact is more of a political than legal concern (at least today). Discrimination based on race is clearly an intended goal of the 14th amendment. Discrimination based on legacy, not so much. College admissions criteria also include geography, ability to overcome adversity (leading to professional essay writers), first generation college students...How many of these are protected under the equal protection clause? Seems like we can get too broad with equal protection.
Geeko Sportivo
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I am not saying that!
50 years ago- 25 years ago- maybe so and for reasons of inequality in minority areas.
Has the playing field ever been leveled?
I still see areas of concern!
Can we just focus on these please, and stop all the playing politics and systemic racism please?
Taichiliberal
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So this is the new MAGA tact, blow a lot of smoke and claim that any response that proves them wrong "doesn't make sense". How convenient for you...you never have to debate the actual issue, and you get to set the standards and conditions.
That "reasoning" of yours and a metro card will only get you on the bus, bunky.Oh, and FYI: if I were truly illiterate as you accuse, then I wouldn't be able to write and you wouldn't be able to read and respond to my posts.
Sober up and/or smarten up before your fingers hit the keys, RB. You're really dumbing down the MAGA presence here, and that's saying something.
Taichiliberal
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Agreed on all parts except the pleasantness....as long as you are in agreement with him, he's pleasant....even sometimes when we don't agree. He just doesn't like being criticized when the topic hits close to home, so to speak.
Taichiliberal
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You come off like a grade school kid who just got bested in an argument, yelling, "oh yeah, you think you're so smart!"
GTFU, will ya please?
Taichiliberal
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It's kind of fun, kind of sad to watch jokers like RB60 and NiftyNiblick BS each other for their separate failures to debunk or disprove the premise of the OP here. Suddenly nothing I say makes sense, I have no command of the English language, writing comprehension, etc., etc.
Yet like all those who fail to disprove my accurate exposure of their bigotry and latent fascist tendencies, they spend an ENORMOUS amount of time and effort attempting debate the issues.
Kind of psychotic that. If I come across posters as these two yokels describe, I just avoid them or ban them or put them on the ignore list for lengths of time. I don't hound them, like the aforementioned and their like minded brethren are want to do.
The OP stands valid, and these two jokers have proven so in the chronology of the posts to the rational, objective reader.
Now let's watch their next screeds.
Yet like all those who fail to disprove my accurate exposure of their bigotry and latent fascist tendencies, they spend an ENORMOUS amount of time and effort attempting debate the issues.
Kind of psychotic that. If I come across posters as these two yokels describe, I just avoid them or ban them or put them on the ignore list for lengths of time. I don't hound them, like the aforementioned and their like minded brethren are want to do.
The OP stands valid, and these two jokers have proven so in the chronology of the posts to the rational, objective reader.
Now let's watch their next screeds.
Taichiliberal
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He's bitter. He consistently carries on about "the good old days" of his alleged great relationship of going from his Italian part of town to the black and asian parts...never acknowledging the blatant racism and bigotry that indirectly/directly set up that type of urban dynamic in major American cities.
The topper is his absurd attempt to compare America to countries with a more "homogenous" ethnic/racial population. Silly that, but a common thread found in the quasi-fascist blather of those who advocate against a diverse America (of course, blaming all problems on diversity and NOT the ruling, elitist class or majority and how they run things). I guess all that historically documented discrimination against Italian immigrants must have slipped his mind. Or maybe to him, it was "the good old days".
Now he'll rant & rave or spew sour grapes at our exchange...but all one has to do is just go over my exchanges with him to see his pathetic repetitiveness and goal shifting. Classic!
Taichiliberal
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Well duh. That was established here several years ago when I first advocated a healthy diet.
You're kidding?!! A healthy diet set him off? Jeez!
Taichiliberal
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I and I explained in Post #122 why that is valid. If you don't agree, explain why. If not, then we're on the same page.
You come off like a grade school kid who just got bested in an argument, yelling, "oh yeah, you think you're so smart!"
You come off as an infantile ignoramus.
You, best me in an argument? You're even stupider than I gave you credit for, and I gave you no relevance at all.
It's kind of fun, kind of sad to watch jokers like RB60 and NiftyNiblick BS each other for their separate failures to debunk or disprove the premise of the OP here. Suddenly nothing I say makes sense, I have no command of the English language, writing comprehension, etc., etc.
Yet like all those who fail to disprove my accurate exposure of their bigotry and latent fascist tendencies, they spend an ENORMOUS amount of time and effort attempting debate the issues.
Kind of psychotic that. If I come across posters as these two yokels describe, I just avoid them or ban them or put them on the ignore list for lengths of time. I don't hound them, like the aforementioned and their like minded brethren are want to do.
The OP stands valid, and these two jokers have proven so in the chronology of the posts to the rational, objective reader.
Now let's watch their next screeds.
Put me on ignore, you pathetic sewer rat. Come on, ya fucking wannabe. Make my day
Guno צְבִי
We fight, We win, Am Yisrael Chai
Didn't I tell you to fuck off, you bigoted racist mongrel? Can't you fucking read? Duh!
Guno צְבִי
We fight, We win, Am Yisrael Chai
Set who off?
Remember our dearly departed McSlobber? It certainly set him off.
Trashcan5 confirmed it. Got her banned from APP for a while.
Your 14th amendment citation is not really relevant to legacy admissions.
The 14th prohibits discrimination based on race (and gender). A person not admitted because a legacy was admitted instead has no constitutional remedy. The fact that the legacy usurped another student is no different than a person being admitted because he is an athlete, from the Midwest, or because he was a member school organizations. The donations from the parents of legacy students might be valuable in allowing that school to purchase the latest scientific equipment or other important academic pursuits. We let students in college because they are good musicians, or actors, or artists. Those students may have lower GPA/SAT scores, but they are still valuable to the university.
Even legacy students are (usually) required to have a certain level of academic achievement to prevent that student from failing once he is admitted.
And, many legacy students do meet the academic standards to be admitted.
Simply put, race and legacy status are not comparable because equal protection has never been applied to that group.
Taichiliberal
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
You come off like a grade school kid who just got bested in an argument, yelling, "oh yeah, you think you're so smart!"
You come off as an infantile ignoramus.
You, best me in an argument? You're even stupider than I gave you credit for, and I gave you no relevance at all.
So you merely double down on the time honored stupidity that all defeated MAGA mooks and right wing wonks use....claiming that the person you've spent hours and days trying to debate & disprove his points is intellectually incapable of a debate and not worth responding to.
Yet here you are...STILL.
That you don't recognize or admit how incredibly psychotic you stance is speaks volumes as to the intellectual impotence and insipid stubbornness of the MAGA crowd.
The OP has your number, bunky...whether you like it, admit it or not. Carry on blustering.
Taichiliberal
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
It's kind of fun, kind of sad to watch jokers like RB60 and NiftyNiblick BS each other for their separate failures to debunk or disprove the premise of the OP here. Suddenly nothing I say makes sense, I have no command of the English language, writing comprehension, etc., etc.
Yet like all those who fail to disprove my accurate exposure of their bigotry and latent fascist tendencies, they spend an ENORMOUS amount of time and effort attempting debate the issues.
Kind of psychotic that. If I come across posters as these two yokels describe, I just avoid them or ban them or put them on the ignore list for lengths of time. I don't hound them, like the aforementioned and their like minded brethren are want to do.
The OP stands valid, and these two jokers have proven so in the chronology of the posts to the rational, objective reader.
Now let's watch their next screeds.
Put me on ignore, you pathetic sewer rat. Come on, ya fucking wannabe. Make my day
translation: another MAGA mook gets his ass handed to him and then sputters and fumes EXACTLY as predicted.
When you present yourself as too absurd to deal with on a subject, I'll put you on ignore for a month or so and watch you hound my posts and threads like a bitch in heat.
Go have another drink and then yell at the kid on your lawn, RB. I'm done with you here.