EV owners: "I'LL NEVER OWN A GAS CAR AGAIN." MAGA morons soil diapers.

They see an article about how it costs tens of thousands to repair damage to the vehicle and assume that everything about the vehicle would cost that kind of deneg...

The sticker shock is real to them at that point.

Per automblog the maintenance cost of a Tesla is around $587 to $832 per year.

https://www.automoblog.net/research/maintenance/tesla-maintenance-cost/

Now, if you do your own oil changes you have savings, if you have someone else do them for you, it's probably a wash.

Now if someone slams into you or you crash your costs are much larger for the Tesla than they are for the gas guzzler... link follows...

https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/teslas-too-expensive-to-fix-1234802618/

So. It really depends on what happens to your vehicle whether it will save you money over the long haul.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
If you can get the charging time down to under 10 minutes, your scenario would be obsolete.
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Which is coming.

We are only at the beginnings of the mass productions tech advancement curve, that happens in all industries once wide scale adoption happens.

Think of the advancement in PC tech from the earliest PC to todays. The automobile from the Model T, to today.

EV tech and especially battery tech, has only just started to have its earliest breakthru's. Before Solid State batteries were achieved, you had as many naysayers in the science field and believers. Now the only question is 'how much better will they be'? And there is other battery tech being pursued that will blow the solid State out of the water, in terms of improvements, in all key areas.


...One of the most compelling advantages of solid-state batteries is their potential for faster charging. The solid electrolytes used in these batteries are known for their superior ionic conductivity, which translates into the ability to charge at a much quicker rate. This is a game-changer for devices such as electric vehicles and smartphones, where rapid charging is a highly sought-after feature. With solid-state batteries, the time it takes to fully charge these devices could be drastically reduced, enhancing convenience for users.

In addition to faster charging, solid-state batteries also promise longer-lasting devices...

...Furthermore, solid-state batteries are safer. The absence of liquid electrolytes eliminates the risk of leakage, which can lead to battery failure or even fires in extreme cases. ...

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These significant battery advancements will open the door wide to all homes having battery walls and being part of smart grid's, boosting the value of solar and wind generation in each home and cutting the reliance on big failure point utilities.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
TESLA WAS NAMED THE CHEAPEST LUXURY CAR BRAND TO MAINTAIN, AND THE INTERNET HAS THOUGHTS: ‘I WILL NEVER OWN A GAS CAR AGAIN’. “I haven’t spent a dime in seven years.”
by Laurelle Stelle*/*July 19, 2023

In a recent study by The Clunker Junker, Tesla vehicles claimed the victory of being the cheapest luxury car brand to maintain.
The outlet looked at data from CarEdge about the 185 most popular models in the U.S., covering the last 10 years up to September 2022. It analyzed each car’s maintenance costs over that time period as a percentage of its purchase price and divided the results into standard and luxury categories.

Tesla’s prices put it in the luxury group, where the company’s rock-bottom maintenance costs won the top spot on the chart — not just among electric vehicles, but among all vehicles in that class.
Tesla’s average maintenance cost was 7.09% of the car’s value, compared to 12.28% for the next best, Lexus. The best individual car was a Tesla Model S at 4.58%, followed by the Model X in second place and the Model 3 in fourth.

This is great news for Tesla buyers, who can expect easy maintenance over their next decade of driving. It’s also good news for reducing pollution in our communities. Because they don’t use gasoline, electric vehicles reduce the need for extensive oil drilling that pollutes nearby water and soil, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

EVs also don’t give off toxic exhaust or heat-trapping gases like combustion engines do, as the EPA notes. This is healthy for our planet and lungs in general, and for the improvement of city air quality in particular, so even the average person on the street will benefit as more drivers switch to EVs.
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Oooooo. Another 'selective costs' article!

Tesla is no luxury vehicle. It's just as expensive as one though.

Making up numbers does you no good.
 
Nordberg said:
The experts on EVs seem to be ICE lovers who hate electric cars with a passion. We are supposed to think they are offering fair and honest opinions. They are not. EVs are better in every way. They are getting even better. They are solving the long-road trucking too.
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No, they aren't, and they can't.
Trucks have to carry payload...as much as they can. Batteries aren't payload.

You are STILL trying to ignore Newton's law of motion, aren't you?
 
Nordberg said:
Some states will lag behind in EV infrastructure. In their cases, EVs will not be practical until they catch up. Eventually, they will. Some EV manufacturers are talking about 900 mi range. Range anxiety has to be eliminated.
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It takes twice as long to charge a 100Mj battery than it does to charge a 50Mj battery.
You only get 900 mile range by using a bigger battery. It's a self defeating spiral too. You have to CARRY that bigger battery, reducing your range, so you need an even BIGGER battery to compensate.

Vaporware doesn't mean anything.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
Yep, EV technology will continue to improve every year. We'll get smaller, lighter batteries with longer range that will charge faster and last longer. Imagine having an EV that has a 500 mile range with a 300k battery lifespan and can re-charge in 10 minutes.
It's gonna happen I bet in the next 5-10 years.

It's going to get to the point where ICE cars just are no longer practical.
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TANSTAAFL. Lithium has the same charge capacity it has always had. You only get so many joules per mole of lithium. It cannot change. That's chemistry, dope.
 
QP! said:
Which is coming.

We are only at the beginnings of the mass productions tech advancement curve, that happens in all industries once wide scale adoption happens.
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Then why all the government subsidies and mandates?
QP! said:
Think of the advancement in PC tech from the earliest PC to todays.
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Didn't need any government mandate or subsidy.
QP! said:
The automobile from the Model T, to today.
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Didn't need any government mandate or subsidy.
QP! said:
EV tech and especially battery tech, has only just started to have its earliest breakthru's.
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Li-ion batteries were invented in the 80's. It's the same battery. You cannot create energy out of nothing.
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Before Solid State batteries were achieved, you had as many naysayers in the science field and believers.
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All batteries are already solid state except for a few select types, such as the lead-acid battery (which uses a liquid electrolyte).
QP! said:
Now the only question is 'how much better will they be'?
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Lithium still provides 3.19J per mole. That doesn't change.
QP! said:
And there is other battery tech being pursued that will blow the solid State out of the water, in terms of improvements, in all key areas.
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...such as?
QP! said:
These significant battery advancements will open the door wide to all homes having battery walls
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Won't meet building or fire codes. Those codes are there for a reason.
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and being part of smart grid's,
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Buzzword fallacy. No such thing.
QP! said:
boosting the value of solar and wind generation in each home
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Why would you want to make solar and wind generation even more expensive than it already is???
QP! said:
and cutting the reliance on big failure point utilities.
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There isn't one.

There is no single point of failure for any electrical grid.
 
QP! said:
Which is coming.

We are only at the beginnings of the mass productions tech advancement curve, that happens in all industries once wide scale adoption happens.

Think of the advancement in PC tech from the earliest PC to todays. The automobile from the Model T, to today.

EV tech and especially battery tech, has only just started to have its earliest breakthru's. Before Solid State batteries were achieved, you had as many naysayers in the science field and believers. Now the only question is 'how much better will they be'? And there is other battery tech being pursued that will blow the solid State out of the water, in terms of improvements, in all key areas.

These significant battery advancements will open the door wide to all homes having battery walls and being part of smart grid's, boosting the value of solar and wind generation in each home and cutting the reliance on big failure point utilities.
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One exciting technology is solar panels. Imagine panels that are thin, light, more efficient and cheap. Now imagine just 20% of all Americans homes having these paneled on their roofs. Your roof is essentially a power plant. And you have a power wall to store excess power for the night. It wouldn't provide 100% of your electrical needs but would cut down on the power grid and costs.
One day, all houses will be built with solar panels rather than asphalt tiles.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
One exciting technology is solar panels. Imagine panels that are thin, light, more efficient and cheap. Now imagine just 20% of all Americans homes having these paneled on their roofs. Your roof is essentially a power plant. And you have a power wall to store excess power for the night. It wouldn't provide 100% of your electrical needs but would cut down on the power grid and costs.
One day, all houses will be built with solar panels rather than asphalt tiles.
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yup.

I have tried to educate Terry on this, but he is stubbornly stupid.

Battery walls in homes along with solar and/or wind or other forms of renewable energy will transform the grid of the future. Costs will come way down when every new home just builds them automatically, as standard.

Being able to capture and store enough power for a few hours in every home, ends Texas like large Utility failures. When surges appear that can crash a system you just take those homes off the grid for a few hours and let them survive on their own battery. Or shut down low need areas and transfer the power to high need. Even small percents of power generated and stored this way will make a massive difference.
 
Your electric car is nowhere near as green as you think: Here are the hidden eco-pitfalls of the NetZero cause's pin-up

Indeed, under current Government plans, electric will be the only kind of new car we will be allowed to buy after 2035. And even before that, in 2030, the sale of purely petrol or diesel cars will be banned, with hybrids the only fuel-driven option available.

Why your electric car is nowhere near as green as you think https://mol.im/a/12317297 via https://dailym.ai/android
 
Thomas Edison had to invent the electric power plant before people were able to use his lightbulbs......its a good thing the government didn't pass a law that no one could use lanterns after 1889.....
 
serendipity said:
Your electric car is nowhere near as green as you think: Here are the hidden eco-pitfalls of the NetZero cause's pin-up

Indeed, under current Government plans, electric will be the only kind of new car we will be allowed to buy after 2035. And even before that, in 2030, the sale of purely petrol or diesel cars will be banned, with hybrids the only fuel-driven option available.

Why your electric car is nowhere near as green as you think https://mol.im/a/12317297 via https://dailym.ai/android
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NEW DATA SHOWS SURPRISING PREDICTION FOR TESLA, FORD, AND OTHER BIG-NAME EV BRANDS: ‘THE ELECTRIC CAR ERA IS HERE’
“The cost for joining the electric car revolution is less now than ever before.”

For years, many have predicted an EV revolution, when electric vehicles would officially surpass gasoline-powered cars as the primary means of transportation.*
Now, at least in the U.S., there is some kind of EV revolution on the horizon, with prices for electric vehicles projected to match the price of gas-powered cars within a matter of months.
The New York Times reports that a combination of government incentives, increased competition, and falling prices for battery components is causing electric vehicles to continuously decrease in price.*
As an example, the Times cites G.M.’s Chevrolet Equinox, a car with both an EV and gas-powered version. Currently, the electric version sells for less than the least-expensive gas-powered version after accounting for government incentives.*
Not only is the electric Equinox now cheaper to purchase upfront, but its upkeep costs also make it a much smarter long-term investment. As the Times points out, most EVs require less maintenance and cost less to fuel than their gas-powered counterparts.*
Meanwhile, several brands — including Tesla, Ford, and Hyundai — have all recently slashed prices on EV models.*
“The cost for joining the electric car revolution,” Consumer Reports proclaims, “is less now than ever before.”
The Times and Consumer Reports are far from alone in their reporting on the economic benefits of purchasing an electric car. Forbes writes that there are “many reasons to adopt an EV today,” while U.S. News & World Report cites California’s law banning new gasoline-powered car sales after 2035 as proof that “the electric car era is here.”*
Meanwhile, there’s been an influx of information about the increasing popularity of EVs. Studies show that EV owner are extremely likely to purchase a second electric car after their first one — and what’s more some EVs might even be better for driving around your dog.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
TESLA WAS NAMED THE CHEAPEST LUXURY CAR BRAND TO MAINTAIN, AND THE INTERNET HAS THOUGHTS: ‘I WILL NEVER OWN A GAS CAR AGAIN’. “I haven’t spent a dime in seven years.”
by Laurelle Stelle*/*July 19, 2023

In a recent study by The Clunker Junker, Tesla vehicles claimed the victory of being the cheapest luxury car brand to maintain.
The outlet looked at data from CarEdge about the 185 most popular models in the U.S., covering the last 10 years up to September 2022. It analyzed each car’s maintenance costs over that time period as a percentage of its purchase price and divided the results into standard and luxury categories.

Tesla’s prices put it in the luxury group, where the company’s rock-bottom maintenance costs won the top spot on the chart — not just among electric vehicles, but among all vehicles in that class.
Tesla’s average maintenance cost was 7.09% of the car’s value, compared to 12.28% for the next best, Lexus. The best individual car was a Tesla Model S at 4.58%, followed by the Model X in second place and the Model 3 in fourth.

This is great news for Tesla buyers, who can expect easy maintenance over their next decade of driving. It’s also good news for reducing pollution in our communities. Because they don’t use gasoline, electric vehicles reduce the need for extensive oil drilling that pollutes nearby water and soil, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

EVs also don’t give off toxic exhaust or heat-trapping gases like combustion engines do, as the EPA notes. This is healthy for our planet and lungs in general, and for the improvement of city air quality in particular, so even the average person on the street will benefit as more drivers switch to EVs.
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Joey wets panties

Surprising number of EV owners switch back to gas power, study says

New study explains why nearly 20 percent of electric car owners return to gas
 
serendipity said:
Your electric car is nowhere near as green as you think: Here are the hidden eco-pitfalls of the NetZero cause's pin-up

Indeed, under current Government plans, electric will be the only kind of new car we will be allowed to buy after 2035. And even before that, in 2030, the sale of purely petrol or diesel cars will be banned, with hybrids the only fuel-driven option available.

Why your electric car is nowhere near as green as you think https://mol.im/a/12317297 via https://dailym.ai/android
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You do not know how green we think they are. ICEs will not be sold, someday. EVs are a lot more green than you think they are. Just the healthcare saving would run into billions of dollars.
 
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