Trump J/6 indictment document

[zymurgy]

We are allowed to contest an election legally; for example, filing the lawsuits and entering objections during the counting of electors.

But, when we submit false electors, try to pressure the VP to violate his constitutional duties, urge state officials to "find" votes, and conspire to overturn the election, it becomes illegal. That is especially true when Trump knew he lost and all the claims of fraud had no evidence. He was told that by family, staff, and administration. He lost most of the court cases because they presented no evidence.

If Trump's supporters did not believe his lies January 6 would never have happened.

I really see no reason to claim faithless electors are above board and alternate electors are criminal. The intent is exactly the same.

I think the democrat party as a whole has become utterly corrupt and are guilty of everything they accuse the other side of

 

[Into the Night]

trump left office in disgrace

No, he didn't. Illiteracy: The beginning of sentences are capitalized. Proper nouns are capitalized.

as thousands of people were dying.

No one was dying.

His team refused to brief the Biden admin during the lame duck, so there was plenty of focus on.

...such as?

And I seem to remember an impeachment thingy going on as well.

Indictment is not conviction. Boasting about your continued persecution is not a proof.

One where Republican senators refused to find him guilty, but admitted that he was criminally responsible for the actions on Jan. 6.

Giving a speech is not a crime.
The riots were organized by DEMOCRATS, particularly Nancy Pelosi.

 

[Flash]

2024 is already rigged, and the election hasn't even started yet!
But will it be enough to keep Trump from being President?

He always needs an excuse because he isn't man enough to admit when he loses.

 

[Flash]

I really see no reason to claim faithless electors are above board and alternate electors are criminal. The intent is exactly the same.

I think the democrat party as a whole has become utterly corrupt and are guilty of everything they accuse the other side of

They were not alternate electors. They were Republican electors who were not elected by the popular vote but submitted a phony certificate to the National Archives.

Faithless electors are perfectly legal unless the state requires the chosen electors to vote for the popular vote winner (which more states are doing).

 

[Flash]

What crime?

You mean which crimes. There are four:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...jan-6-indictment-2020-election-annotated.html

 

[Flash]

2024 is already rigged, and the election hasn't even started yet!
But will it be enough to keep Trump from being President?

I'm sure you have no evidence of any rigging. We are still waiting for evidence for 2020.

 

[zymurgy]

They were not alternate electors. They were Republican electors who were not elected by the popular vote but submitted a phony certificate to the National Archives.

Faithless electors are perfectly legal unless the state requires the chosen electors to vote for the popular vote winner (which more states are doing).

it is unethical to pledge to abide by the wishes of the citizens of your state and than claim a constitutional right to not honor that promise. So again, the intent is exactly the same in both of these cases.

Had people like the Hamilton Electors movement succeeded, we would of certainly had a constitutional crisis on our hands.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

The President of the United States lied in a deposition to cover up his habitual adulterous behavior. The crime wasn't a blowjob or adultery. The crime was lying under oath.

It was. And it took the 1990s Repukes years of digging to find nothing except for that.

But yeah sure, Biden has "weaponized the DOJ." Har har har!

 

[Into Тhe Night]

For 230 years americans have been allowed to contest an election. Democrats sure did so after 2016. They even gave us the 2 year mueller investigation. But when trump does it, the goverpress says its a CONSPIRACY and a crime!!

This will backfire on the dems, esp since 2020 was in fact stolen and everybody knows it . Biden is a proven child molester w dementia. I doubt he got even 30 million votes.

So you clearly haven't read it. Rather than spew right-wing talking points, why not try looking at the actual indictment?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It was. And it took the 1990s Repukes years of digging to find nothing except for that.

But yeah sure, Biden has "weaponized the DOJ." Har har har!

Yet they failed to impeach him for it. Why?

21st Century Republicans lie a lot. That doesn't mean I trust Democrats....especially when they call me a liar and/or a fool. LOL

 

[Dutch Uncle]

it is unethical to pledge to abide by the wishes of the citizens of your state and than claim a constitutional right to not honor that promise. So again, the intent is exactly the same in both of these cases.

Had people like the Hamilton Electors movement succeeded, we would of certainly had a constitutional crisis on our hands.

Do you agree it's unethical to take an oath to defend and support the Constitution then seek to overthrow it by lies and violence?

Your silence will be seen as assent.

 

[Flash]

it is unethical to pledge to abide by the wishes of the citizens of your state and than claim a constitutional right to not honor that promise. So again, the intent is exactly the same in both of these cases.

Had people like the Hamilton Electors movement succeeded, we would of certainly had a constitutional crisis on our hands.

The big difference is forging an electoral vote certification is illegal while being unethical is not. The intent is not the same. In the first the electors are trying to switch the state's electoral votes to the losing candidate by deception. In the second the elector is voting for who he thinks will be the best president not necessarily a member of either party.

 

[zymurgy]

The big difference is forging an electoral vote certification is illegal while being unethical is not. The intent is not the same. In the first the electors are trying to switch the state's electoral votes to the losing candidate by deception. In the second the elector is voting for who he thinks will be the best president not necessarily a member of either party.

promising to do something but not doing it is deception.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

promising to do something but not doing it is deception.

Agreed.

 

[Flash]

promising to do something but not doing it is deception.

But not illegal or forgery. All states do not require electors to vote for their parties' nominees so those electors are not doing anything deceptive or unethical.

 

[Flash]

Yet they failed to impeach him for it. Why?

21st Century Republicans lie a lot. That doesn't mean I trust Democrats....especially when they call me a liar and/or a fool. LOL

Failed to impeach who?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Failed to impeach who?

Slick Willie. I should have said convict him on impeachment. Both Bill and Donnie were impeached, but neither was convicted....although, IMO, they both should have been.

Not a lawyer, but my understanding is that even an impeachment conviction doesn't mean someone is tossed out of office.

 

[Lionfish]

 

[Nordberg]

Slick Willie. I should have said convict him on impeachment. Both Bill and Donnie were impeached, but neither was convicted....although, IMO, they both should have been.

Not a lawyer, but my understanding is that even an impeachment conviction doesn't mean someone is tossed out of office.

Don't equate Bill and Trump. Bill had a problem with controlling himself around women. Women throw themselves at politicians. It is a bonus for the business. FDR had relations outside of marriage. Eisenhower did too. McCain cheated on his dying wife. JFK may have. None of them threatened the country.
Trump was a likely rapist and grabbed many women by the pussy. He is far different than the others.
Trump was trying to overthrow the government and stay in office after he lost a fair and honest election. He was and still is a threat to America's future.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Don't equate Bill and Trump. Bill had a problem with controlling himself around women. Women throw themselves at politicians. It is a bonus for the business. FDR had relations outside of marriage. Eisenhower did too. McCain cheated on his dying wife. JFK may have. None of them threatened the country.
Trump was a likely rapist and grabbed many women by the pussy. He is far different than the others.
Trump was trying to overthrow the government and stay in office after he lost a fair and honest election. He was and still is a threat to America's future.

Rapists often do.

Both were unfit to be President, IMO. Times change. Lincoln was a racist, a white supremacist. Saying it's okay for Trump to be one too because Lincoln was one is moronic.