Nation of cowards

[wiseones2cents]

Depends on your definitions of optimal and progress.

Many people, yourself apparently as well, believe adding more authoritarian layers is itself the embodiment of pogress, and it's optimal for them and the personal power it gives them.

I'm saying that 2 heads are better than one. 3 heads are better than 2. 4 heads are better than 3.......

Lets have a science project. One kid works on it by himself and 10 together(all in the same grade)? More than likely, who will have more progress?

 

[Sammy Jankis]

I'm saying that 2 heads are better than one. 3 heads are better than 2. 4 heads are better than 3.......

Lets have a science project. One kid works on it by himself and 10 together(all in the same grade)? More than likely, who will have more progress?

It depends on how smart they all are.

More isn't always better. Mediocrity shouldn't be a goal.

 

[wiseones2cents]

It depends on how smart they all are.

More isn't always better. Mediocrity shouldn't be a goal.

True but lets say all 11 are grade 5 students. And the kids were chosen randomly.Not according to their intelligence.

Like I said more than likely? The 10 students will outperform the one.

Even in the case of scientists?

Lets say you have a bright scientist. Up against 10 very good scientists.

Sure there is a chance that the one might make a break through and temporarily advance. But if 1 of the ten make a breakthrough? They will leave the 1 in the dust.....

 

[Sammy Jankis]

True but lets say all 11 are grade 5 students. And the kids were chosen randomly.Not according to their intelligence.

Like I said more than likely? The 10 students will outperform the one.

Even in the case of scientists?

Lets say you have a bright scientist. Up against 10 very good scientists.

Sure there is a chance that the one might make a break through and temporarily advance. But if 1 of the ten make a breakthrough? They will leave the 1 in the dust.....

But central planning eliminates the contributions of others.

 

[wiseones2cents]

But central planning eliminates the contributions of others.

Not at all. It gathers ALL the data together and then they process the information to recieve optimal results.

Individual planning eliminates outside contributions. If it didn't it would no longer be considered individual planning.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Not at all. It gathers ALL the data together and then they process the information to recieve optimal results.

Individual planning eliminates outside contributions. If it didn't it would no longer be considered individual planning.

Individuals share their plans and modify them. Central planners are stuck on totalitarian, and mostly obsessed with power. We saw the glorious information sharing of central planning in the climate scientists in england trying to shut out debate and marginalize anyone who disagreed with them.

Is this the kind of benefit you would like to see magnified with more centralization?

 

[Canceled.LTroll.27]

All Chinese men must serve. In the USA this is not currently the case, yet the people cry out for the blood of others without risking themselves.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

All Chinese men must serve. In the USA this is not currently the case, yet the people cry out for the blood of others without risking themselves.

You treat your citizens like prisoners.

 

[Canceled.LTroll.27]

You are ignorant of our citizen's lives, I believe.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

You are ignorant of our citizen's lives, I believe.

You believe wrong.

 

[wiseones2cents]

Individuals share their plans and modify them. Central planners are stuck on totalitarian, and mostly obsessed with power. We saw the glorious information sharing of central planning in the climate scientists in england trying to shut out debate and marginalize anyone who disagreed with them.

Is this the kind of benefit you would like to see magnified with more centralization?

If they are sharing information, their thoughts are no longer individual. They are using contributions from others. If there was a central place where information was shared by all, this would be optimal. This is central planning.

Central planning(which means all information collected in one source) is optimal for results. As long as the central planners do not hoard the information.

Central planning is the reason we have libraries. Central planning is the reason we have the internet. All information gathered and put together.

I've already discussed the CRU. They were a very optimal organization until this happened. So was it central planning that failed, or a few corrupt individuals that were probably paid off by big business?

 

[Sammy Jankis]

If they are sharing information, their thoughts are no longer individual.

of course they are.

They are using contributions from others. If they was a central place where information was shared by all, this would be optimal. This is central planning.

maybe. But in reality centralization functions to magnify the power of a few, allowing them to shut out the contributions of those which they perceive as harmful to their power.

Central planning(which means all information collected in one source) is optimal for results. As long as the central planners do not hoard the information.

Given human reality, it's not optimal.

Central planning is the reason we have libraries. Central planning is the reason we have the internet. All information gathered and put together.

I've already discussed the CRU. They werea very optimal organization until this happened. So was it central planning that failed, or a few corrupt individuals that were probably paid off by big business?

Collecting information is not planning.

 

[wiseones2cents]

of course they are.

What is more optimal?Having a few individuals sharing information or all of them?

maybe. But in reality centralization functions to magnify the power of a few, allowing them to shut out the contributions of those which they perceive as harmful to their power.

Yes power corrupts and corrupted men do not easily relenquish their power. Power is addictive and an aphrodisiac.

Though this is human nature. There must be a reason for this. To maintain order. This is the main beginnings of what you call civilized society.

When the few overstep their boundries? They are easily removed from power by the masses.

Given human reality, it's not optimal.

Information is almost always shared. If you consider what the Pope's did, central planning? Then that is wrong. They kept information(which is the Bible)away from people so they can manipulate the information to their liking.

This kind of central planning is wrong because it keeps the majority of its people in the dark. Central planning must properly distribute the results to the masses and also reveal its sources. That is not to say that these results cannot be manipulated as we have seen in the past. Though this is the optimal route.

Collecting information is not planning.

Collecting information and using it to optamize results is central planning.

I must go now.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

What is more optimal?Having a few individuals sharing information or all of them?

As I already said. Information sharing is not planning.

Yes power corrupts and corrupted men do not easily relenquish their power. Power is addictive and an aphrodisiac.

Though this is human nature. There must be a reason for this. To maintain order. This is the main beginnings of what you call civilized society.

What is the value of "order". Weak minds prefer the certainty of totalitarianism over the chaos of actual freedom.

When the few overstep their boundries? They are easily removed from power by the masses.

Not necessarily. And it's becoming harder when elections are bought with fiat currency from bankers who make it at will.

Information is almost always shared. If you consider what the Pope's did, central planning? Then that is wrong. They kept information(which is the Bible)away from people so they can manipulate the information to their liking.

the psychosis of central planning zealotry always justifies this deception. I cite your lying scientists in england.

This kind of central planning is wrong because it keeps the majority of its people in the dark. Central planning must properly distribute the results to the masses and also reveal its sources. That is not to say that these results cannot be manipulated as we have seen in the past. Though this is the optimal route.

But when central planning fails to deliver those results, it must be abandoned.

Collecting information and using it to optamize results is central planning.

I must go now.

Collecting information is not planning.

 

[Canceled.LTroll.27]

This is not a serious person.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

This is not a serious person.

We already know you're not serious.

 

[Canceled1]

This is not a serious person.

University is on Winter Break.

Oh Joy.

 

[Canceled.LTroll.27]

Your universities must be lax in their admittance requirements.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Your universities must be lax in their admittance requirements.

Your anus must be huge and gaping, from all the pounding.

 

[Canceled.LTroll.27]

Disgusting.