Man forced to ditch $115K Ford EV truck during family road trip to Chicago

[Into the Night]

Wasn't that what all the Buggy Whip manufacturers said about gas stations?

No, Sock.

 

[Into the Night]

Yea the idea of politicizing this issue is completely moronic.

Fuck, even Elon Musk himself stated that when he started Tesla he had no focus at all on environmental issues. His Goal was to make a fun and innovative car to drive.

I’ve personally test drove a Tesla S and a Tesla 3. The S series is a complete blast to drive. It can literally beat a Corvette in a 1/4 drag race. Its handling was also exceptional. The Tesla 3 series is also very fun to drive with good handling and the best part of EV’s is that their total cost to own is significantly lower, over five years, is significantly lower than their internal combustion vehicles Tesla competes with. A Tesla 3 may have a higher cost to purchase as a similar sized car but over five years the total cost to purchase and own are significantly lower.

So anyone making this a political debate are morons with a capital M.

It is not lower in cost. They are subsidized (communism).

 

[Into the Night]

No they don’t. They pay a fraction of what it would cost to fuel up an internal gas engine for a similar distance.

Blatant lie. You are AGAIN failing to consider the higher cost of the car, the higher cost of the maintenance, the waste of energy, the inconvenience, and the similar costs of charging an electric car.

The Tesla three now has a range of nearly 300 miles.

Meh. My gasoline car has a range of almost 400 miles on a single fill up.

So when you do the math, using a home charger you would pay about $800 per year for a national mileage average of 13,500 miles. That’s about 75% of the cost to drive a Honda Civic the same annual mileage.

You are AGAIN forgetting the cost of installing a home charger, the higher cost of the car, the higher cost of maintenance, the higher cost of insurance, etc.

You are just dismissive of the facts from an engineering, quality, cost and performance because it has an “Environmental Tab” associated with it.

Projection. You are describing yourself again.

That stems from the fact you know next to nothing, if anything at all about the environmental industry.

There is no 'environmental industry' other than the Church of Green and the Church of Global Warming.

I mean all you have to do is look at Tesla’s sales to see that they must be doing something right cause lord knows they are selling a lot of them.

Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs.

I mean the willful ignorance demonstrated here based on political beliefs instead of reality is just hilarious hearing people make these rock solid opinions with an absurd level of absolutely correct when most of you don’t even know what you’re talking about.

Projection. You are describing yourself again. Your religion is blinding you.

 

[Into the Night]

EV’s are less costly to maintain and repair

Blatant lie. I can fix a gasoline car myself using fairly common tools. EVs require specialized shops effectively making them dealer repair only.

because they are simpler in design and have fewer moving parts that wear out.

Not cheaper. In addition, EVs are easily damaged to effectively total the car. A single damaged battery basically totals the car due to the extremely high cost of replacing the pack (you can't replace a single battery).
The fire hazard is significantly higher as well.

Now someone can purchase, or not, an EV for whatever reason they prefer but the silly political arguments about their value is just inane and willfully ignorant.

Projection. You are describing yourself again. It is YOU making political arguments, arguing for the communism of rebates and the fascism of mandates.

 

[QP!]

At this point in time that be a big yes.

So do you consider these all commutes that an EV is good for?

- Work and back home

- Groceries, Dr office, picking up people at airport, etc, and other typical errands or outings

- Weekend visits to family members who live within a few hours drive

- weekend getaways to destinations within a few hours commute time.

- Rental at airport to get to hotel and touring around the city you are visiting/vacationing



And what exactly would you put on your list of what an EV is not great for: (i'll put the first one)

- Road trip outside major cities

- ?

 

[Into the Night]

EV's currently have their place you prefer to own a government car. As battery technology gets better and we get a president and congress that is not a collection of sideshow variants, it will become more viable. Until then, it is a vehicle with its exhaust pipe in a different country.

The battery technology has limitations.

Li-ion batteries, which were developed in the mid 80's, still use the same chemistry today. Nothing has really changed.
The lithium still produces the SAME joules per mole as it always did. Nothing magick here. It's the chemistry of these batteries.

Lithium batteries are the lightest battery so far, making them ideal for portable devices and for cars. They also have a fairly low internal resistance, making them a good choice for cars.

Sodium batteries are three times heavier, and sodium metal is MUCH more dangerous to handle than lithium.

 

[Stringfellow Hawk]

Hey stupid. That is generally how new technology works.

Do you think we had the roads, and gas stations, etc that were needed to turn the automobile from a novelty item for a few, to something that would replace the horse and buggy when the auto technology was still new its development curve?


YOu are making the same stupid argument, i busted Terry over, that if everything does not exist prior to the new tech, then it should not be developed. That is just stupid and would stop almost every big now advancement man has made.


you need to try and be less stupid.

STFU retard, you don't mandate x number by 2035 without a support grid and infrastructure, god damn the left are some very stupid motherfuckers

 

[Saint Guinefort]

The communism of rebates and the fascism of mandates is not any good.

You are going to be SO PISSED when you learn that oil companies get massive subsidies.

 

[Into the Night]

Nah' I don't know it all.

Yet you say you do.

I am just not stupid like you and the rest of the Trumpers.

Yet you say you are not making a political argument.

Just look at this thread.

Too late. Already did.

I have to argue EV's have a place, while not perfect for all against people saying EV's have absolutely no place, and cannot compete in the market.

If you want to put up with the higher costs, the inconvenience, and the limitations, that's your choice. The problem is the subsidies (which you have argued for, a political argument) and the mandates (which you have argued for, a political argument).

As always Trumpers take what could be a reasonable position to the extremes of stupidity and you jump in to defend them.
Why? Because you are stupid too.

TDS. Political insults.

 

[Stringfellow Hawk]

No they don’t. They pay a fraction of what it would cost to fuel up an internal gas engine for a similar distance. The Tesla three now has a range of nearly 300 miles. So when you do the math, using a home charger you would pay about $800 per year for a national mileage average of 13,500 miles. That’s about 75% of the cost to drive a Honda Civic the same annual mileage.

You are just dismissive of the facts from an engineering, quality, cost and performance because it has an “Environmental Tab” associated with it. That stems from the fact you know next to nothing, if anything at all about the environmental industry.

I mean all you have to do is look at Tesla’s sales to see that they must be doing something right cause lord knows they are selling a lot of them.

I mean the willful ignorance demonstrated here based on political beliefs instead of reality is just hilarious hearing people make these rock solid opinions with an absurd level of absolutely correct when most of you don’t even know what you’re talking about.

your post alone shows you are programmed and can't figure actual cost of ownership for shit, the ROI is even worse when battery replacement time comes. Damn the left is full of fucktards

 

[QP!]

You are going to be SO PISSED when you learn that oil companies get massive subsidies.

i've listed page long lists of the subsidies and bailouts that Oil and Gas and ICE Manufacturers have got and been getting for almost 100 years.

And yet these derps still keep saying 'EV's must compete without subsidies or it is wrong'.


It is very typical right wing derp nonsense where any thing they approve of they are thrilled with all the subsidies and bailout money etc, that all contribute to making the cost lower for those, and yet they cry crocodile tears at any attempt to level the playing field and make it fairer for others to compete.

This cartoon perfectly encapsulated the right on almost every issue where they hold the unfair advantage at the start but then complain voraciously if a single thing is done to help those in the rear to catch up as 'unfair', saying they need to compete without getting any help.

 

[Into the Night]

...and now for some more chanting of scripture by The Lizard.

Electric cars are on the bleeding edge of technology!

Nope. They are older than gasoline cars. The current battery (Li-ion) was developed 40 years ago.

Today they are just a novelty and luxury item for people who are financially comfortable and well off.

And always will be.

But, within a few short years they will be the mainstay for the average driver!

Nope. Most folks don't want to waste their money on them and prefer the convenience and range and economy of gasoline cars.

They will also meet their competition as the Blue Hydrogen vehicles come into the market in the next few years.

Won't happen. Hydrogen must be manufactured, is difficult to handle, requires even MORE energy than simply charging a car, and have very limited range due to the limitations of compressing hydrogen to only 3000psi.

Gasoline vehicles will still be around for a long time, as just about every family will keep one just as an antique and hobby car or motorcycle.

Not antiques. The latest technology is the gasoline engine. EVs use technology developed 40 years ago.

Men have a fascination for gasoline powered vehicles and that is never going to fully go away!

They are also more economical to own and maintain.

They won't be driving them much though, as in about 10 years gasoline will cost over $10 a gallon!

In ten years, the dollar will likely be devalued so much it will be abandoned.

Because all of the Oil companies see the writing on the wall, and are now slowing converting their gasoline manufacturing over to the manufacturing of Blue Hydrogen.

They aren't. Oil companies do not produce hydrogen.

It is not a political decision, it is just a business decision!

No such decision.

That is why I don't understand why people are fighting this or arguing about the world changing.

The Luddite is YOU, Lizard. It is YOU trying to hang onto 40 year old technology as automatically 'better'. Novelty fallacy. Discard of history.

INSTEAD OF THAT, YOU SHOULD JUST BE READING THE AUTOMOBILE MAGAZINES AND KEEPING UP WITH WHAT THE OIL COMPANIES ARE DOING!

Void reference fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Your case is that ev’s are only practical for commutes?

That's exactly what he said.

 

[Into the Night]

The vast majority of EV owners do not go back to ICEs.

Chanting. Argument of ignorance fallacy. Argument from randU fallacy.

Evs have a range of 250 to 400 miles.

So? I don't have to wait hours to refuel my car. You do.

If you are driving more than that every day, you need to move.

There ARE people that drive more than that every day, and STAY IN THE SAME TOWN!

Companies are switching to EVs because they are cheaper, more reliable and they save them money in operation and maintenance.

Chanting. Blatant lie.

They are not more reliable.
They are not cheaper.

 

[gfm7175]

The vast majority of EV owners do not go back to ICEs.

Irrelevant to the truths about EVs.

Evs have a range of 250 to 400 miles.

Depends on the number and size of the batteries being used, the weight of the EV, the weather condition, the usage of heating/cooling systems, and other factors. Plus, it takes much longer to refuel.

If you are driving more than that every day, you need to move.

Vehicles are used for purposes other than a short commute or two per day, dude.

Companies are switching to EVs because they are cheaper, more reliable and they save them money in operation and maintenance.

All complete and utter lies.

 

[Uncensored2008]

All those rebates and credits is just communism. Other people are paying for your solar panels.

Exactly.

I'm forced to pay for them regardless, I might as well use them.

The warranty does not cover damage to high winds, sandblasting, lightning, damage from nearby trees, etc. It only covers the panels themselves. Everything is lumped into those 'act of God' exceptions.
It also does not cover damage due to bullets or other vandalism, but homeowner's coverage tends to cover you there instead...unless civil war breaks out.

It all depends on the contract. The installer works directly for Owens Corning who does cover most environmental factors - wind and storms- not bullets though.

 

[Lionfish]

So do you consider these all commutes that an EV is good for?

- Work and back home

- Groceries, Dr office, picking up people at airport, etc, and other typical errands or outings

- Weekend visits to family members who live within a few hours drive

- weekend getaways to destinations within a few hours commute time.

- Rental at airport to get to hotel and touring around the city you are visiting/vacationing



And what exactly would you put on your list of what an EV is not great for: (i'll put the first one)

- Road trip outside major cities

- ?

Start up to the rumble and shake of a big block Chevy or Chrysler Hemi, or the high pitch growl of an M series BMW, AMG Mercedes, or Audi S series. You don't want to hear the cries of the children mining lithium so you ban all mining here in the US and tell yourself you are doing good for the world forgetting that everything in your electric car came from petroleum-based technology, but you can't see it so it is ok.
Run your government mandated electric cars, just don't tell me I have to own one. Electric cars have no soul.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

... *or* you are doubling down on making this political by trying to shame anyone who disagrees with you, which would warrant a big BidenPresident-type "Fuck You" (except without the uppercase letters because he doesn't know what those are).

So let's see which angle you are taking. Hmmmmm. Wait a minute! Look who's going full political:


EVs cost more all around, so back up your statement ... or Fuck You, moron. Oh wait, you said that that is with a capital "M" so ... Fuck You, Moron. Stop making this so political.

Dude…this isn’t rocket surgery. Google “Edmunds cost to own Tesla Three.”.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Dude…this isn’t rocket surgery. Google “Edmunds cost to own Tesla Three.”.

The only surgery Sybil does is digging into his pants.

 

[Into the Night]

You are going to be SO PISSED when you learn that oil companies get massive subsidies.

They don't.