A Conservative Case for Gay Marriage - Promoting American Values

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Southern Man said:
Oh look: name calling. That means that I win the argument. :yay:
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It also means you lose about a thousand others with your own name calling. But I don't expect a bible thumping, anti blow job, so called conservative to want the government to get out of regulating marriage. Your type is all for huge government, when it suits you, no different than the big government left.

Regulate Marriage, because we ll know the sanctity of your marriage relies on the big government stamp of approval!!

Big government left = big government right. Its just the issues you decide to galvanize upon are different, but the end is the same. Bigger and more government telling individuals what they can or cannot do. Congrats on being yet another ignorant cog in the wheel.

I have no tolerance for either of you idiot groups.
 
usaloyal2theend said:
Watch it fellas. The same irony can smack you upside the head that you use on others:

The old: He who smelt it dealt it. Thou doth protest too much. You wouldn't spend so much time on it, if it wasn't about you.....

Every time you return volley, and you all do in this gay deal, that same yard stick can be used to measure your real intent too.

Just sayin'....:cool:
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There should be a section for posting on this topic and other social more's issues; gay marriage, abortion, legalizing pot~~~
 
Nice try Mr. Olsen---acting Conservative and all, and trying to plant a psudo Conservative seed idea to try to evolve the Conservative mind into deterioration of tradition. This guy is just not sharp enough for Conservsatives.

Now---we have gays who want to get married, but I don't think they should pervert the Christian/Catholic religion to do it. Under those guide lines, marriage is suppose to be between a man and a woman, and they have the right to their guide lines. Simply saying love is enough is not true---because many people love farm animals, and I am pretty sure that is against the Catholic guide lines also to marry.

I think every human has the right to unite, but there is no need (and is dangerous) to pervert a long living standard of belief---when, as far as I know, you can actually form your own religion and marry yourselves in this nation.
 
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theMAJORITY said:
Nice try Mr. Olsen---acting Conservative and all, and trying to plant a psudo Conservative seed idea to try to evolve the Conservative mind into deterioration of tradition. This guy is just not sharp enough for Conservsatives.

Now---we have gays who want to get married, but I don't think they should pervert the Christian/Catholic religion to do it. Under those guide lines, marriage is suppose to be between a man and a woman, and they have the right to their guide lines. Simply saying love is enough is not true---because many people love farm animals, and I am pretty sure that is against the Catholic guide lines also to marry.

I think every human has the right to unite, but there is no need (and is dangerous) to pervert a long living standard of belief---when, as far as I know, you can actually form your own religion and marry yourselves in this nation.
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I haven't seen anyone demand that any religion marry gays. What is being discussed is the gov't ban on gay marriage. Those are two very different things.

The gov't gives benefits to straight couples for getting married. To deny the same to gays is discrimination.

The "farm animal" argument has been shot down along with the "people will want to marry children" argument. They do not apply. No one is suggesting that anyone (or anything) be forced into a marriage when they are not able to consent.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Not petty really, it's just that all the pro and con arguments have been made and the threads just go on forever.
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I don't know about forever. I feel like I'm pretty close to getting PostmodernProphet over to the pro-choice side. Another 10-15 pages oughta do it...
 
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Cypress said:
No offense mate, but that’s wishful thinking on your part. I wish it were true to, but we’d have to be idiots – or worse, climate science deniers – to simply ignore basic and easily available empirical facts.

The Republican Party and movement conservatives more broadly, are very, very anti-gay marriage. That’s how they win a lot of elections, but placing gay marriage bans on state ballots.

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That reads 80 - eight zero- percent against. And who was it that introduced a proposed amendment to the US Constitution to ban gay marriage?

Here’s the deal man. Message board posters aren’t representative of the electorate at large. Saying one is pro-gay marriage really doesn’t count for more than a bucket full of spit. When someone goes into the voting booth, they are voting on the values that are most important to them. And there are virtually no republicans who run at the national or state level, who are willing to proactively promote marriage equality. So when anyone votes republican, they are 99% of the time, voting against the advancement of marriage equality. And in many cases they are voting to set it back. It’s not a cause celebre, even among the few enlightened republicans. It’s always about taxes and “shadow-boxing some ill-conceived fantasy about socialism, with most of them.”

No doubt there are a lot of moderate or mainstream democratic politicians that aren’t in favor of marriage equality. But at least they don’t actively work against those that do work on behalf of it. I don’t think any one of the dozens of gay ban initiatives were every started or funded in any measurable way by Democrats. The idiot democrats who aren’t on board yet aren’t actively road blocking this in any significant way. They can be run over with, and we can leave tire tracks on their backs. They aren’t throwing up road blocks, and tossing broken glass on the road.

No offense man, this was a good post. I appreciate your enlightened attitude, and that you fight the good fight against the bigots. But, we need to be honest about which people are the actual problem, and who are the roadblocks, to marriage equality. Southernman ain't an anomaly. Especially on the political right.


http://www.gallup.com/video/118889/Republicans-Weekly-Church-Goers-Anti-Gay-Marriage.aspx
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Pssst... Cypress, do you know what the words "on this board" mean?...

I'm pretty sure Gallup doesn't poll just JPP users by party affiliation. Winterborn was correct, most conservatives on this board either support legal gay marriage, or they support a position that the government shouldn't be involved in marriage at all. The latter position also supports gay marriage as there are currently churches that perform marriages for homosexuals.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Not petty really, it's just that all the pro and con arguments have been made and the threads just go on forever.
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Its a topic that gets plenty of discussion (not counting the name-calling). The topic is an important one to quite a few of us.

Feel free to skip the next few.
 
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