T. A. Gardner
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Way to move the goalposts with a red herring response...
The Car of the Year.............Is Electric. MAGA soils diapers.
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Way to move the goalposts with a red herring response...
Dutch Uncle
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You should consider reading more than just the headline, Terry.
"In its latest earnings report, Ford conceded that its Model e division - which focuses on electric vehicles and future mobility - posted losses of $1.3 billion between July and September 2023. The automaker says this significant loss can be attributed to "continued investment in next-generation EVs and challenging market dynamics."
Interestingly, sales of electric vehicles increased in the third quarter, with 20,962 cars sold during this period. Mustang Mach-E sales increased by 42.5%, totaling 14,824 units. Unfortunately, sales of the F-150 Lightning have plummeted. Ford recently reduced production of its electric truck but cited other issues as the reason behind this decision.
"Ford is able to balance production of gas, hybrid, and electric vehicles to match the speed of EV adoption in a way that others can't. That's obviously good for customers, who get the products they want - and good for us, too, because disciplined capital allocation and not chasing scale at all costs maximizes profitability and cash flow," said CFO John Lawler."
T. A. Gardner
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Ford is still losing money making EV's however you want to slice it. Almost all EV manufacturers are losing money on each sale.
Dutch Uncle
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Those points aside, there is a concern about increasing the electrical output of the US without just building more coal or oil-fired generators.
If that can be handled, then a balance could be made in reducing electrical costs in oil refineries.
Dutch Uncle
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The fact you overlook the R&D cost in next-generation vehicles is both interesting and expected, Terry.
QP!
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Ignore Terry who will tell you advancements in technology never happen.
Improvements in battery technology (better storage, reduced/no rare earth materials) and improvements in Solar are the future.
Each new home will have a battery wall in the garage or elsewhere, when built, along with solar panels and will be able to capture a good percent/All of their daily energy needs and store until needed or sell it back to the grid, especially in periods of surge need.
Again, Terry will reply to this as if we are not seeing several major new improvements and breakthru's each and very year, and saying none of this work, because he is stupid when it comes to all things tech. Meanwhile tech across all cataegories advances not GAF what Terry thinks...
QP!
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yes but intelligent people, (not you) understand that context matters.
When Ford was building the first ever mass production line they lost major money for years, as the cost of building out the lines is front loaded and amortized over years and then earned back thru vehicle sales OVER DECADES.
this is the absolute NORM when any mass manufacturing tool up is being undertaken. Investors typically front all the costs and losses for the return built in to the future.
Only Terry screams at Henry Ford, 'But you are losing money up front no matter how you want to slice it', as if that is a reason for Ford and others to never build a mass production line.
Terry cannot you not see above that AGAIN you are making the exact same mistake i point you ALWAYS make with technology and that is you ALWAYS freeze it at a point in time, and then assume no changes or value in the future and by your metrics almost NO NEW TECH would ever get built?
T. A. Gardner
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But not the FACT that there is little demand for EV's in the US.
Dutch Uncle
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You're on links state otherwise, Terry.
Why does this upset you so much? You're not being forced to buy one. I'll be driving a gas car for at least the next ten years then I plan to have a nice retirement van take my wife and I wherever we need to go. Why are your knickers in a bunch over people buying EVs?
Phyllis Diller
Was it me?
T. A. Gardner
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If people had a choice in buying one or not I wouldn't care. But that isn't the case. Leftist government is forcing them down people's throats regardless of what people want.
Dutch Uncle
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Your paranoia is one reason why you should never be allowed to work in government again, Terry. Your violent hatred is another.
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
You know that's not true so why do you keep saying it? Does it comfort you somehow?
Trump was president from 2016-2020 when Tesla introduced the Model 3 and Model Y. Both models sold like hot cakes and it is suggested that those two Tesla models started the EV revolution.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
How many states have a law passed ending all ICE car sales by a certain year? How many states incentivize buying an EV with a subsidy or other perks? What I stated is absolutely true.
QP!
Verified User
You lose then.
We are talking about all of Ford and not just a single car model.
You cannot build an entire mass production line, taking months and months to build and install, and then roll the first cars off the line and expect the entire company to be profitable.
I mean, derps who are stupid can expect that but that is not how things work. the equipment and factory build end up amortized across decades.
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
No, what you stated is false. Incentives ARE NOT forcing them down people's throats. California is the only state that I know of that will mandate EVs in the future. And that's understandable with their smog problem. Their car emissions mandates have always been more strict and have been around for decades.
You're so damned butthurt over EVs that you have to misrepresent the truth to try to make your point.
Why is that Terry?
Electric cars are less likely to catch fire than gas cars
In fact, EV fires are 'much, much' less likely
https://apple.news/AgiZYSkwETB2u00Wn6J3rKA
Yes, electric cars can and do sometimes catch on fire. And it seems such conflagrations are reported in the news on a surprisingly regular basis. This raises a couple of obvious questions. First, how often do EVs actually catch on fire? Second, how does the likelihood of an EV fire compare to the likelihood that a vehicle powered by a gasoline or diesel engine?
It turns out that EVs are actually much less likely to catch fire than other types of vehicles. “All the data shows that EVs are just much, much less likely to set on fire than their petrol equivalent,” said Colin Walker, the head of transport at the Energy and Climate Intelligence Unit thinktank. “The many, many fires that you have for petrol or diesel cars just aren’t reported.”
The Guardian compiled a list of reported data sets from several countries, including Norway (the country with the highest concentration of electric vehicles in the world), Australia, and from Tesla's global fleet. In every case, the numbers are conclusive: EVs are much less likely to catch fire than gasoline or diesel vehicles.
Dutch Uncle
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More proof you're a RW authoritarian against State's Rights.
Remember when Republicans supported State's Rights? I miss those days. Trumpism, as Terry is demonstrating, changed all that along with no longer caring about personal accountability, fiscal responsibility and supporting our nation's military, law enforcement and intelligence services. Sad.
QP!
Verified User
Naw i prefer to make fun of you magats who say 'high speed internet is not practical as it only exists in the core of big cities' when it first rolled out.
Guys like you and Terry can pretend that is where it ends, because that is all you can see at that moment in time but that is because you are stupid.
That simply is not how new big technology roll outs happen and the EV roll out is EXACTLY following most others. Be smarter.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
So, do you think each state has a right to determine what their, say, abortion laws will be? Can a state ban abortions for example?