Well, no one was talking about the public option being for everyone. Even in the most ambitious form put into a bill, the public option was only for people who didn't have and couldn't afford health insurance. It wasn't even an option for most people.
The message of the Ma election: we want the public option!
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Well, no one was talking about the public option being for everyone. Even in the most ambitious form put into a bill, the public option was only for people who didn't have and couldn't afford health insurance. It wasn't even an option for most people.
Should be up or down votes on items. Like making sure everyone can get insurance regardless of pre existing condition. Just makes sense
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This does NOT change anyone's coverage unless they have less than the minimum.
This does NOT raise costs unless you are hit by one of the taxes.
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Eliminating the pre-existing conditions requirement WOULD raise premiums substantially if not combined with a mandate.
This is absolutely disingenuous. You have to ignore that making a single payer system was the ultimate goal and that every leader who promoted this idea stated so directly. To pretend that this wasn't just a move in that direction is just preposterous. It was evident in the small fines for dropping coverage of employees just for starters.
It became really obvious when they just said so. It isn't what people want. Maybe they shouldn't just come right out and tell people that it is the goal when they are on camera; you might do better convincing people then....
I'm not being disingenuous at all. You are. You are claiming that the public option was something that it was not. It was extremely limited in practical application in even the most ambitious form in any of the bills that were being considered.
Even is single-payer was the goal of some people, given the way things went when the Democrats controlled both chambers and the White House, the chances of single-payer ever becoming law at any point in the foreseeable future is about nil. Single-payer cannot just magically happen. It requires an act of Congress.
im all for a mandate too. you lose your individual tax federal tax deduction if you dont have an insurance plan. For those that dont have income and cant afford insurance they get medicare or free coverage. END
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talking points straight from Howard Dean???
Dean stated that he thinks Browns win was MA voters sending a message that the HC bill wasn't progressive enough.
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And WTF is the difference between this and the senate bill?
Also, no cost controls? No public option?
oh did you have a link to the senate bill that I could read? I didnt get a chance to look it over yet.
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I disagree. The basis of health care reform should be on reducing costs... not trying to force the entire population into a cookie cutter health care system.
Open up access to plans across state lines. Normalize the 50 sets of rules insurance companies have to play by. Cap malpractice punitive awards. Reduce defensive medicine practices. Get people off their ever increasing obese asses into the gym. Provide better education on healthy eating habits.
Eliminate the tie to corporate plans.
No, I am claiming it was exactly what they said it was. You are just pretending they didn't say it.
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oh did you have a link to the senate bill that I could read? I didnt get a chance to look it over yet.
They literally stripped everything out of it that was even remotely liberal. It is the least radical change imaginable, almost a mirror image of the MA reform (although it's probably backed by bigger subsidies).
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:H.R.3590:
The summary at wikipedia would probably be more useful if you don't have weeks of spare time to read it, though:
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Almost none of the large health insurance companies have this restriction on corporate plans. When I change insurance my pre-existing conditions are covered. It is only on individual plans that this is a problem that needs to be fixed and it would be best to include the people who are going to be paying for it in the solution.
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I would be open to opening access across state lines if it were coupled with good federal regulations. Opening access across state lines would render any state regulations ineffective.
How are we supposed to get people into the gym? How are we supposed to make people eat healthier?
What about the uninsured in your ideas?
The only real reform that would significantly reduce costs is to put price controls in place.