Brown wins - many will lose!

Southern Man said:
Again you bring up the accusation of racist because you have failed in debate. The fact is, Libby, you are a tool for your Democrat masters who look to usurp the Constitution.

Libby, you haven't made any points you've just parroted DNC talking points, and those have been cut up, sliced up, and trashed repeatedly throughout this forum. I feel no need to constantly repeat each and every argument on each and every post.

And again, the veto is written into the Constitution. You would be championing its use by a Democrat President with a Republican Congress. You only call it "obstruction" because it was wielded effectively against your progressive agenda.
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All one has to do is just look at the dreck you posted on the thread by your federal Confederate flag defender regarding black folk and the Dem party to see your sheet sticking out under your shirt.

All you do here is just make generalized denials and spew sour grapes. The chronology of the posts is there for all to see your folly...and expose your delusional lies about what has transgressed.

Oh, and if Obama or Clinton or Carter had used their veto power like Reagan or in conjunction with "signing statements" like the Shrub did, little neocon dopes like you would be wailing like banshees. You're a hypocrit.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
let's be honest.....there aren't enough conservatives in Massachusetts to elect Brown.....this wasn't a question of "which side wins".....it was a question of independents and probably some liberals rejecting the status quo.....
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Thank you! That's what I've been pointing out...you had folks who were pissed about local corruption, pissed that Obama wasn't living up to his campaign promises, etc. So they didn't vote, or some voted for Brown. They cut off their noses to spite their faces. (IMHO, of course).
 
Taichiliberal said:
So you're saying that Reaganomics, the S&L scandal, Enron, the Wall St./bank bailouts were a good thing? :confused:

If so, then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn that you can have cheap.
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Yes... Reagans economic policy was good for this country. As is evidenced by the longest period of economic growth in our history... 1982-2000.

The S&L scandal was not good... the tax shelter wealthy investors had in real estate deals was greatly reduced by Reagan (and Tip) in 1986. The combination of this and Volcker raising interest rates to combat inflation led to a blow up in the S&L's. Like the Wall Street firms of the 2000's, they had taken on far too much risk. The government bailed them out, just as they did this time around.

Enron occurred under the watch of Clintons SEC... and no... it imploding was not good for this country.

The Wall Street collapse occurred because the Rep Congress and Clinton removed Glass Steagall. Because Greenspan kept rates too low too long. Because the idiots in DC removed the uptick rule. Because lenders were reckless in loaning money and borrowers took on more debt than they could afford. Add in the bullshit by the Investment banks and we had a near economic meltdown.
 
Superfreak said:
Yes... Reagans economic policy was good for this country. As is evidenced by the longest period of economic growth in our history... 1982-2000.

The S&L scandal was not good... the tax shelter wealthy investors had in real estate deals was greatly reduced by Reagan (and Tip) in 1986. The combination of this and Volcker raising interest rates to combat inflation led to a blow up in the S&L's. Like the Wall Street firms of the 2000's, they had taken on far too much risk. The government bailed them out, just as they did this time around.

Enron occurred under the watch of Clintons SEC... and no... it imploding was not good for this country.

The Wall Street collapse occurred because the Rep Congress and Clinton removed Glass Steagall. Because Greenspan kept rates too low too long. Because the idiots in DC removed the uptick rule. Because lenders were reckless in loaning money and borrowers took on more debt than they could afford. Add in the bullshit by the Investment banks and we had a near economic meltdown.
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How many times are you going to repeat that lie? Reaganomics did NOT produce the economic boom you keep crowing about....because it sure as hell didn't create the JOBS. Yeah, a jobless recovery just benefits the top tier and investor class. 12 years of Reaganomics was a national credit card that came due under Slick Willy. Deal with it.

The S&L and Enron debacles were a result of the DEREGULATION that Reagan & Bush championed. Period. Slick Willy was nothing more than a slight stall on that wagon, and the wheels totally came off under the Shrub.

yeah, Greenspan fucked up and Clinton was no help, but don't you dare try to excuse/distort the effects and results of the policies of the leadership.

We've done this dance, and each time you just leave out what you don't like. But reality and a COMPLETE history will always disprove the Reagan fallacy.
 
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Taichiliberal said:
:palm: Let me dumb it down for you. Calling YOU out what you are (and your fellow neocon numbskulls/bigots) is NOT the same thing as if I tried to malign the entire voting population of Massachusetts. YOU are trying to build that bridge, and you FAIL because NOWHERE did I allude to such. I was VERY specific as to my speculations and observations regarding Massachusetts

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So once again, the FACTS do NOT support your supposition and conjecture. You can repeat your dreck until doomsday, but you can't erase the chronological posts. But do continue to lie, you nit. Makes my position SO much simpler.
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Let me dumb it down for you... The people of Massachusetts just elected a Conservative to Ted Kennedy's old seat, based on a campaign which articulated Reagan conservative fiscal values and George W. Bush foreign policy! The platform Brown used is precisely the platform of the Tea Party movement, yet when the rest of us support it, we are ignorant, gun-toting, bible-thumping, god-loving rednecks who are following Rush in lockstep. Why don't you have the same accolades for the people of Massachusetts? It's the same political ideology, the same platform, the same ideas... is there some difference in people from MA supporting it than people from Alabama?
 
Taichiliberal said:
All one has to do is just look at the dreck you posted on the thread by your federal Confederate flag defender regarding black folk and the Dem party to see your sheet sticking out under your shirt.

All you do here is just make generalized denials and spew sour grapes. The chronology of the posts is there for all to see your folly...and expose your delusional lies about what has transgressed.

Oh, and if Obama or Clinton or Carter had used their veto power like Reagan or in conjunction with "signing statements" like the Shrub did, little neocon dopes like you would be wailing like banshees. You're a hypocrit.
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LOL You again bring up the subject of race when it doesn't pertain to the discussion. Then again you bring up the accusation of racist because you have failed in debate.

And again, the veto is written into the Constitution. You would be championing its use by a Democrat President with a Republican Congress. You only call it "obstruction" because it was wielded effectively against your progressive agenda.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
let's be honest.....there aren't enough conservatives in Massachusetts to elect Brown.....this wasn't a question of "which side wins".....it was a question of independents and probably some liberals rejecting the status quo.....
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Mitt Romney won the governorship of Massachusetts! The state is surprisingly conservative, with the exception of Boston.
 
Dixie said:
Let me dumb it down for you... The people of Massachusetts just elected a Conservative to Ted Kennedy's old seat, based on a campaign which articulated Reagan conservative fiscal values and George W. Bush foreign policy! The platform Brown used is precisely the platform of the Tea Party movement, yet when the rest of us support it, we are ignorant, gun-toting, bible-thumping, god-loving rednecks who are following Rush in lockstep. Why don't you have the same accolades for the people of Massachusetts? It's the same political ideology, the same platform, the same ideas... is there some difference in people from MA supporting it than people from Alabama?
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Well, the people from MA are patriots, but that is beside the point...
 
Taichiliberal said:
Thank you! That's what I've been pointing out...you had folks who were pissed about local corruption, pissed that Obama wasn't living up to his campaign promises, etc. So they didn't vote, or some voted for Brown. They cut off their noses to spite their faces. (IMHO, of course).
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as I understand it, there was a huge turnout, so you can't say they stayed home.....and, since it's the best thing that could have happened for everyone, you can't say they cut off their noses.....perhaps it would be better to say they got tired of holding their noses and cut off the stink......
 
Best cartoon so far.
And OH-SO accurate.

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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Let me dumb it down for you. Calling YOU out what you are (and your fellow neocon numbskulls/bigots) is NOT the same thing as if I tried to malign the entire voting population of Massachusetts. YOU are trying to build that bridge, and you FAIL because NOWHERE did I allude to such. I was VERY specific as to my speculations and observations regarding Massachusetts

Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - Brown wins - many will lose!

So once again, the FACTS do NOT support your supposition and conjecture. You can repeat your dreck until doomsday, but you can't erase the chronological posts. But do continue to lie, you nit. Makes my position SO much simpler.
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Dixie said:
Let me dumb it down for you... The people of Massachusetts just elected a Conservative to Ted Kennedy's old seat, based on a campaign which articulated Reagan conservative fiscal values and George W. Bush foreign policy! The platform Brown used is precisely the platform of the Tea Party movement, yet when the rest of us support it, we are ignorant, gun-toting, bible-thumping, god-loving rednecks who are following Rush in lockstep. Why don't you have the same accolades for the people of Massachusetts? It's the same political ideology, the same platform, the same ideas... is there some difference in people from MA supporting it than people from Alabama?
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Your revisionism knows no bounds. Here stupid, pay attention as I repeat this AGAIN:

Reasons for Brown's victory in Massachusetts:

LOW VOTER TURN OUT- either people didn't care or stayed home in protest
LOCAL DEMOCRATS REBELLING AGAINST CORRUPT LOCAL OFFICIALS AND/OR OBAMA NOT LIVING UP TO CAMPAIGN PROMISES- either didn't vote or voted for Brown
A LAZY CAMPAIGN BY THE DEMS - they took things for granted...a big mistake given that the Kennedy machine didn't have a Kennedy in the running.

"Reagan conservatives" are the same assholes who were not in the top 2% or the investor class or corporated management and are still denying they didn't get trickled down on and are wondering why they now don't have a pot to piss in and/or a window to throw it out of.

Well, they got Brown....and are now still going to support the system of healthcare that screws it's customers. Good luck with that.
 
I will not forget the fierce determination with which we approached this.

Anyone who has been out on the campaign trail in this race has seen the anger of folks who are angry and concerned. They are angry about health care issues and they are angry about our two wars.
 
Southern Man said:
LOL You again bring up the subject of race when it doesn't pertain to the discussion. Then again you bring up the accusation of racist because you have failed in debate.

And again, the veto is written into the Constitution. You would be championing its use by a Democrat President with a Republican Congress. You only call it "obstruction" because it was wielded effectively against your progressive agenda.
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Laugh all you want chuckles...what you stated on threads were race was injected into the conversation by your buddies is there for all to see. You can deny it, BS about it, but you can't change it.

Also, you keep repeating a moot point to avoid what I'm stating. As I stated before, if Carter or Clinton or Obama had used the veto like the Shrub did (in conjunction with signing statements), the neocon wail would be heard on the moon. They didn't, but the Shrub did...a matter of fact and history...things that are like sunlight to a vampire for you.

As to this thread...the Dems have (once again) handed the neocon driven GOP a victory..and the registered Republicans will once again assist in creating their own dilemas.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Best cartoon so far.
And OH-SO accurate.

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And the next cartoon will show these dummies being thrown overboard by insurance company reps, their shirts reading....pre-existing condition, too costly to treat, can't meet rising rates.

Yeah, a real laugh riot if you're not the one getting screwed.
 
Taichiliberal said:
And the next cartoon will show these dummies being thrown overboard by insurance company reps, their shirts reading....pre-existing condition, too costly to treat, can't meet rising rates.

Yeah, a real laugh riot if you're not the one getting screwed.
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When you see it, then go ahead and post it.
Until then, try some Goldbond powder on your butt hurt.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Bottom line: the I linked is a recent article that documents lower voter turnout...whether you like the group or not is irrelevent.
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no...I said to disregard the link I had cited (and edited out) because it turned out to be from November.....meanwhile, every link in Google says turn out was heavy......your link says women and young people didn't come out and vote Democrat....apparently, neither did anyone else.....
 
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We received several independent and disturbing reports of voters across the state being handed ballots that were already marked in favor of Scott Brown. This was obviously a serious violation, and our legal team took immediate steps to protect the integrity of the election.
 
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