Even judge engoron admits the trump loans were paid back IN FULL AND ON TIME!

It will be overturned...they're going to hand Donald Trump the presidency... one travesty at a time...
How sad to see NYC, a once magnificent city, falling so hard...Way to go Tish and Alvin....
People see more clearly than ever we're losing America... and our system of justice...
 
Nomad said:
Well, the law cares about them and many people, myself included, care about the law.

Especially when it comes to wealthy, powerful politicians and their ability to break those laws for their own personal gain, while the rest of us get held to account for much smaller scale infractions of those same laws.
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HAHAHA. Name one person who has been fined $354 million in a civil fraud case that had no victims.
 
Text Drivers are Killers said:
Hey stupid. The judge admitted there was no victim.
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Problem you have is that the judge said no such thing and there were victims. Stupid.



That means even if trump lied ( and he didn't), the penalty should have been like $50,000.
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Well since Trump did lie and the Judge documented over a dozen of them by simply copying Trump's various filings (documents fraud) then the fine is justified at the ~$500MM it is, with interest.

I'll just repost these again so there is no ability to deny them...

Below are just 3 of many, MANY more detailed frauds the judge laid out in detail in his ruling.

The first property listed there, 7 Springs, was an undeveloped plot of land of which the Trumps PLANNED to build a series of mansions on.

Trump paid Cushman Wakefield to appraise the land, and they gave him a value of $30MM. Trump was not happy with that and instead gave Banks a value range of $261-291MM.

Trump documents, as submitted stated the Mansions were already built and all construction costs complete. All of that was a fabrication. Trump never even had legal permission to develop the lots.



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Text Drivers are Killers said:
But should the fine be $354 million??? There is no victim.
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It is actually more and should be more, since there are victims.

What people are overlooking is that not only does Trump now owe the interest on this, every day it is not paid and for the entirety of the appeals, but there will also be additional penalties attached tot this award for the interest LOST over the years from the time of each fraud being committed.

Yes they are calculating that number now and its expected to be about another $100MM for lost interest over all those years. And if Trump drags this out in appeal over another 2-3 years that will add another $100MM plus.

#SoMuchWinning
 
QP! said:
Problem you have is that the judge said no such thing and there were victims. Stupid.



Well since Trump did lie and the Judge documented over a dozen of them by simply copying Trump's various filings (documents fraud) then the fine is justified at the ~$500MM it is, with interest.

I'll just repost these again so there is no ability to deny them...








It is actually more and should be more, since there are victims.

What people are overlooking is that not only does Trump now owe the interest on this, every day it is not paid and for the entirety of the appeals, but there will also be additional penalties attached tot this award for the interest LOST over the years from the time of each fraud being committed.

Yes they are calculating that number now and its expected to be about another $100MM for lost interest over all those years. And if Trump drags this out in appeal over another 2-3 years that will add another $100MM plus.

#SoMuchWinning
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Mar A Lago 18 to 27 million? :rofl2: They have 2 acre vacant lots a mile away that are selling for 200 million.
 
ExpressLane said:
Mar A Lago 18 to 27 million? :rofl2: They have 2 acre vacant lots a mile away that are selling for 200 million.
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Your continued stupidity is our Super Power.

What Mar A lago is actually worth is irrelevant.

The FRAUD happens when Trump files in court that the $18-27MM valuation put on the property by the tax assessor is 'too high' noting they have forever contracted away all residential rights to get lesser tax category.

And then Trump walks across to the bank and says is worth $300+Million based on its residential redevelopment value and rights.


You are so stupid that you keep using Residential property values when Trump signed those rights away FOREVER.
 
Text Drivers are Killers said:
Trump had this to say:

"This “decision” is a Complete and Total SHAM. There were No Victims, No Damages, No Complaints. Only satisfied Banks and Insurance Companies (which made a ton of money), GREAT Financial Statements, that didn’t even include the most valuable Asset - The TRUMP Brand, IRONCLAD Disclaimers (Buyer Beware, and Do your Own Due Diligence), and amazing Properties all over the World."
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If the Trump believes that disclaimers and damages is what was relevant here he is dumber than I thought.
 
Text Drivers are Killers said:
HAHAHA. Name one person who has been fined $354 million in a civil fraud case that had no victims.
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Banks are privately owned corporations, the private ownership being comprised of stockholders.

The banks and their stockholders who Trump defrauded out of untold millions of dollars in potential interest income on the loans he secured at lower interest rates based on his intentional fraud, are the victims of that fraud.

We all know how inconvenient and painful it is for Trumpsuckers to admit that their shitbag hero is a criminal who has no morality whatsoever, but that doesn't change or alter the truth.

It is what it is.

Trump is what he is.

A giant piece of shit.
 
TOP said:
It will be overturned...they're going to hand Donald Trump the presidency... one travesty at a time...
How sad to see NYC, a once magnificent city, falling so hard...Way to go Tish and Alvin....
People see more clearly than ever we're losing America... and our system of justice...
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You won't last a day in NYC, well maybe on skid row
 
Jarod said:
She had evidence, uncontroverted evidence. Her testimony, testimony that nobody refuted.
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HAHAHA. That's not evidence you moron. "I say he raped me and that proves it and i want $20 million."

BTW - carroll was caught lying about the dress she wore on the day of the alleged assault. The dress didn't exist at the time!!!
 
Nomad said:
Banks are privately owned corporations, the private ownership being comprised of stockholders.

The banks and their stockholders who Trump defrauded out of untold millions of dollars in potential interest income on the loans he secured at lower interest rates based on his intentional fraud, are the victims of that fraud.
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So if the banks are victims, why didnt the banks sue trump?
 
Text Drivers are Killers said:
So if the banks are victims, why didnt the banks sue trump?
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Suing Trump would have been very expensive with no guarantee of victory or ever getting their money.

The fines imposed on Trump by the court will probably go towards paying them the money he cheated them out of.

It's better for them this way, and they can still sue him if they can produce evidence that the money he was fined by the court didn't cover their losses.

This whole "no victims" nonsense is just more of Trump's desperate lies and denials.
 
Nomad said:
Suing Trump would have been very expensive with no guarantee of victory or ever getting their money.

The fines imposed on Trump by the court will probably go towards paying them the money he cheated them out of.

It's better for them this way, and they can still sue him if they can produce evidence that the money he was fined by the court didn't cover their losses.

This whole "no victims" nonsense is just more of Trump's desperate lies and denials.
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Answer the question. If trump cheated the banks, why didn't they sue him??
 
Nomad said:
Suing Trump would have been very expensive with no guarantee of victory or ever getting their money.

The fines imposed on Trump by the court will probably go towards paying them the money he cheated them out of.

It's better for them this way, and they can still sue him if they can produce evidence that the money he was fined by the court didn't cover their losses.

This whole "no victims" nonsense is just more of Trump's desperate lies and denials.
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There are no guarantees they'd win because he didn't fucking cheat them you dimwitted piece of tree bark.
 
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