France & Germany still DO NOT PAY their NATO obligations - a middle finger to Ukraine

[Bigdog]

The Republicans in Congress refusing to aid Ukraine are shitting on the alliance. You really have to stop with this embarrassing double standard. You are so thoroughly brainwashed by a cult leader you consider your god and by manufactured propaganda that you don't even recognize your hypocrisy as it drips onto your keyboard.

But you won't hold the EU weenies to the same standard. Hypocrisy, thy name is White Lib. Biden and Obama let this happen. Putin did not escalate when Trump was Pres..

And don't forget those Euro socialists continue to fund the Russian war machine while asking us to protect their neighbor from Russia.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Quote the NATO Article and post it here. You can fake out white libs by pretending you know something. I expect actual evidence.

NATO can not punish the U.S. for refusing to send weapons or troops. Don't doubt me.

I didn't say NATO could punish anyone. I said that an attack on any member is considered an attack on the US since an attack on a member is considered an attack on all members.
I linked to the actual treaty. Do you need a sophomore in HS to read and explain it to you?

Article 5

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all

 

[Diesel]

Thank you, Diesel. At least you know how to debate factually, unlike the other white libs who just make shit up and fake it.

No where in there do we surrender sovereignty over our military to NATO.

NATO gives us the right to defend those countries, not an obligation. Instead of beans, bullets, and bandaids, ... we can send them one bean ... if that is what we deem necessary.

The US has never signed a treaty that surrendered its sovereignty. That's not the point of a treaty, is it?

The point is to make a promise and keep it. If the US chose to throw the NATO charter out the window -- as you and Trump advocate -- no one would stop us. We would, however, discard our commitment. In the real world, truth, honesty, and promise keeping still mean something.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Thank you, Diesel. At least you know how to debate factually, unlike the other white libs who just make shit up and fake it.

No where in there do we surrender sovereignty over our military to NATO.

NATO gives us the right to defend those countries, not an obligation. Instead of beans, bullets, and bandaids, ... we can send them one bean ... if that is what we deem necessary.

When did anyone say that we surrendered our sovereignty to NATO. Are you 12?
Trump seems to think that the European countries did so when he claims they are not contributing enough. Do you think Trump is correct that defense spending in Germany is simply a contribution to NATO?

 

[Diesel]

But you won't hold the EU weenies to the same standard. Hypocrisy, thy name is White Lib. Biden and Obama let this happen. Putin did not escalate when Trump was Pres..

And don't forget those Euro socialists continue to fund the Russian war machine while asking us to protect their neighbor from Russia.

I do hold the EU to the same standard. That's why I'm not a hypocrite and you are.

All you're doing is parroting alt reich media propaganda. The fact that you can't recognize or control your chronic hypocrisy means that you are completely, hopelessly lost as a human being.

Stop making excuses for Russia and Trump and act like an American man for once.

 

[LurchAddams]

It's terrifying in a way. I really don't remember this many stupid people before the age of Trump. I find myself often torn between thinking that they were always stupid but at least tried to hide it in the past and thinking that they went from reasonably rational to insane because of Trump's rhetoric and their susceptibility to right wing dramatics and propaganda.

In either case, I'm convinced that the cult is the single greatest threat and enemy to American democracy. They can be as stupid as they want as long as they have no meaningful influence or power.

trump leverages ignorant people's fear, ignorance, hatred and paranoia. He speaks like one of them. Truly, that's the reason for his appeal to them. It's a disease that infects almost half the country, unfortunately. His cult will literally vote against their own interests as long as trump keeps talking like one of them. I'm so sad for our country sometimes.

 

[Diesel]

I didn't say NATO could punish anyone. I said that an attack on any member is considered an attack on the US since an attack on a member is considered an attack on all members.
I linked to the actual treaty. Do you need a sophomore in HS to read and explain it to you?

That won't help. He doesn't know the difference between fact and fiction.

 

[Diesel]

trump leverages ignorant people's fear, ignorance, hatred and paranoia. He speaks like one of them. Truly, that's the reason for his appeal to them. It's a disease that infects almost half the country, unfortunately. His cult will literally vote against their own interests as long as trump keeps talking like one of them. I'm so sad for our country sometimes.

It really does seem like a regression for society, the country, and humanity in general. The scientists and researchers and doctors and artists and philosophers of the Enlightenment are rolling over in their graves as they listen to MAGA morons -- and their counterparts outside the US -- discard science, reason, facts, truth, medicine, common sense, human decency, and morality for delusions and idolatry. They despise education. They wallow in delusions. It goes against every inch of progress the species has ever made.

 

[Bigdog]

The US has never signed a treaty that surrendered its sovereignty. That's not the point of a treaty, is it?

The point is to make a promise and keep it. If the US chose to throw the NATO charter out the window -- as you and Trump advocate -- no one would stop us. We would, however, discard our commitment. In the real world, truth, honesty, and promise keeping still mean something.

It is whatever we "deem necessary".

Keeping their 2% pledge/promise means nothing to the White EU socialists.

 

[Bigdog]

I do hold the EU to the same standard.

No, you don't.

And don't forget those Euro socialists continue to fund the Russian war machine while asking us to protect their neighbor from Russia.

 

[Bigdog]

I didn't say NATO could punish anyone. I said that an attack on any member is considered an attack on the US since an attack on a member is considered an attack on all members.
I linked to the actual treaty. Do you need a sophomore in HS to read and explain it to you?

That's right. NATO is WEAK. It has no enforcement mechanism.

 

[Bigdog]

When did anyone say that we surrendered our sovereignty to NATO. Are you 12?
Trump seems to think that the European countries did so when he claims they are not contributing enough. Do you think Trump is correct that defense spending in Germany is simply a contribution to NATO?

Do you think they are contributing enough?

If Germany wants to become a Russian satellite, that is their choice. Just as we have a choice as we "deem necessary".

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Thank you, Diesel. At least you know how to debate factually, unlike the other white libs who just make shit up and fake it.

No where in there do we surrender sovereignty over our military to NATO.

NATO gives us the right to defend those countries, not an obligation. Instead of beans, bullets, and bandaids, ... we can send them one bean ... if that is what we deem necessary.

Only fucking morons don't know that the US runs NATO.* If the US leaves, NATO will collapse, which is exactly what Putin wants and which Pedo Don is happy to give him.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-nato

Founded in 1949 as a bulwark against Soviet aggression, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) remains the pillar of U.S.-Europe military cooperation. An expanding bloc of NATO allies has taken on a broad range of missions since the close of the Cold War, many well beyond the Euro-Atlantic region, in countries such as Afghanistan and Libya...

...NATO’s military structure comprises two strategic commands: the Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe, located near Mons, Belgium, and the Allied Command Transformation, located in Norfolk, Virginia. The supreme allied commander Europe oversees all NATO military operations and is always a U.S. flag or general officer; U.S. Army General Christopher G. Cavoli currently holds this position. Although the alliance has an integrated command, most forces remain under their respective national authorities until NATO operations commence.

*The Golden Rule, American-Style: "He who has the gold, makes the rules". The US pays for the privilege of being in charge.

 

[Bigdog]

Should we honor a treaty that Europe breaks? ... should we deny our own citizens, while Europe spends its money on State welfare instead of defense?


"Germany recorded a trade surplus of 22.21 EUR Billion in December of 2023. Balance of Trade in Germany averaged 6.96 EUR Billion from 1962 until 2023, reaching an all time high of 23.25 EUR Billion in April of 2016"

https://tradingeconomics.com/german...corded a trade surplus,Billion in May of 1991.

French socialists have a 35 hour work week. And we are subsidizing it.

 

[Bigdog]

These greedy socialist Euro pigs hate Americans. They steal from Americans.

They give the middle finger to Ukrainians and Americans The Euro pigs kiss Pootie's ass and fund his war.


"Pipeline gas: The EU was the largest buyer (purchasing 43% of Russia's pipeline gas), closely followed by Turkey (27%) and China (21%). No sanctions are imposed on Russian gas via pipeline into the EU.Aug 22, 2023"

https://energyandcleanair.org/july-...line gas: The EU was,via pipeline into the EU.


And Biden wants to halt New U.S. LNG production.

NATO nations are funding the Russian war machine. White libs pretend that is not happening.

Biden is shutting down future U.S. LNG projects that could help. WTF?

 

[Bigdog]

The U.S. was attacked by Iran and Biden did nothing to Iran.


"Starting on 17 October 2023, and in response to United States support for Israel in the Israel–Hamas war, Iran-backed militias initiated a coordinated series of more than 170 attacks on U.S. military bases and assets in Syria, Iraq, and Jordan. These attacks resulted in injuries to dozens of U.S. service members.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attac...7 October 2023,dozens of U.S. service members.

 

[Diesel]

It is whatever we "deem necessary".

Keeping their 2% pledge/promise means nothing to the White EU socialists.

Take it up with them. You have been emotionally manipulated into acting like you care about this issue. On some deluded level, you probably even have started to think that you do actually care about this issue.

One day, you might understand (or not) that geopolitical relationships ideally are not subject to the whims, passions, and psychotic breaks of megalomaniacal, narcissistic, chronically dishonest sociopaths and their lobotomized, media-manipulated, anti-education cultists. Discarding a transatlantic alliance that has supported the world order for almost 75 years for political points is cheap and tacky, i.e., thoroughly Trumpian.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

That's right. NATO is WEAK. It has no enforcement mechanism.

That's the thing about treaties. They rely on the countries signing them to be honest and live up to the commitment in the treaty.
The only commitment in the treaty is that they will come to the aid of anyone that is attacked.

Clearly you like Donald Trump don't know anything about living up to your commitments.

 

[Bigdog]

Take it up with them.

That is Biden's job, you hypocrite. So much for "promises", right?

 

[Bigdog]

That's the thing about treaties. They rely on the countries signing them to be honest and live up to the commitment in the treaty.
The only commitment in the treaty is that they will come to the aid of anyone that is attacked.

Clearly you like Donald Trump don't know anything about living up to your commitments.

Clearly, the EU members are being dishonest.

The amount of aid provided is limited to what we "deem necessary". Comprende?