France & Germany still DO NOT PAY their NATO obligations - a middle finger to Ukraine

[Into the Night]

Magats continue to be stupid so will decode this for them.

You don't get to 'decode'. The NATO Treaty speaks for itself.

France and Germany meeting Nato obligations ONLY MEANS they would spend more of their budget on their own defense and weapons. There is no fund to be paid or debt owed.

The funding that is owed is the spending on their own defense and weapons for the collective defense of NATO nations, and for staffing NATO itself. See Articles 3, 5, and 9 of the NATO Treaty.

Since the Russia War on Ukraine, France and Germany, and the rest of the EU have supplied the bulk of CASH to Ukraine. America has sent the most weapons but France, Germany and the rest of EU have given the most cash.

Ukraine is NOT a NATO nation. Spending on Ukraine is NOT a NATO defense.

That CASH helps Ukraine far more to fight Russia, than France and Germany upping their troops and spending on their military. So in a time of extreme budget pressures, such as Putin's war has created in Europe it is far more strategic for France and Germany to prioritize giving Ukraine cash.

Irrelevant. Nothing to do with NATO.

If the EU was going to fight in Ukraine, and defend them that way, you could argue then spending that money on their own military would make more sense, but that is not the case.

Irrelevant. Nothing to do with NATO.

So you're gonna derp again, Kewpie.

 

[Into the Night]

What part of the treaty is Germany breaking?

Articles 3, 5, and 9.

You seem confused as to what is actually in the treaty vs what other items have been created and agreed to by NATO members.

The treaty establishes the Security Council, which specifies what each nation must spend for the collective defense of NATO nations.

Nothing in the treaty says any country has to spend 2% of it's GDP on defense.

The Security Council does. That council is given that authority by the NATO Treaty Article 9.

 

[Into the Night]

Take your fake binary out of here that if they do not pay to up their own defense we should then push an enemy to attack them.

Trump continues to show he will betray each and every American ideal and he hates every foundation America was built upon.

You're hallucinating again, Kewpie. The Church of Hate and you cannot hide behind the Constitution you despise.

 

[Into the Night]

This one clearly isn't factual since no one is breaking the treaty by not spending 2% or more of their GDP on defense.

That is in and of itself breaking the NATO Treaty Articles 3, 5, and 9.

 

[Into the Night]

The only reason Russian tanks didn't roll across Europe is because Europe and the US supported Ukraine.

I don't "doubt" you. Literally everything you say is a lie. You are brain washed and deceitful. I acknowledge that your masters trained you to squawk something about immigration in every post, but I'm not going to bite. I'm much smarter than you are, so you may as well save your weak bait for someone else.

Russian tanks ARE rolling across Europe, dope. Ukraine is in Europe. So are parts of Russia.

 

[Into the Night]

Why do you want to hand Putin Europe? Do you have the West so much you'd rather see Putin, the Ayatollah and Kim take it all?

He never said that, Sock. You are hallucinating again.

 

[Diesel]

You never have anything bad to say about the EU and the NATO members who refuse to even meet the measly 2% pledge for the last 17 years. Trump prevented the new invasion front, Biden invited it.

The EU is no longer the devastated Europe it was after WW2. They have so much money and infrastructure that they are now massive welfare States subsidized by American taxpayers.

The EU can defend itself against Russia. The Ukrainian fighters and Russia's military failures have proved that.

It is time to wean these America hating foreigners from the U.S. teat.

When will Biden prioritize Securing our U.S. borders by E.O. like Trump did?

You've already said all of this. Over and over again. In fact, you're copying and pasting. Don't you have anything better to do?

I have said many times that every NATO member should pay its commitment. The US encouragement to do so is not, "Do it or we'll invite Russia to attack you."

"Child, you better do your homework or I'll tell Daddy to slit your throat."

You have nothing to offer except regurgitated talking points from alt reich idiots. Be better.

 

[Jarod]

I accept your immediate deflection as a white flag of surrender.

My point is that Trump was a scam artist long before running for president, and its not corrupt judges, its a corrupt person.

 

[Diesel]

The U.S. border is more important than the Ukraine border. Period. Fix it, FIRST!

We're not talking about the US border. Try to focus.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The U.S. border is more important than the Ukraine border. Period. Fix it, FIRST!

Trump shot down the legislation to fix it. Sad.

 

[Bigdog]

My point is that Trump was a scam artist long before running for president, and its not corrupt judges, its a corrupt person.

So no criminal convictions.

Your point is that Biden is a racist, a plagiarizing cheater, and con artist all of his life.
When junkie Hunter fucks up, the CIA, secret service and FBI tries to cover it up. And Biden gets him a special exemption to join the Navy.

When Trump's employees fuck up, Trump takes responsibility.

 

[Bigdog]

You've already said all of this. Over and over again. In fact, you're copying and pasting. Don't you have anything better to do?

I have said many times that every NATO member should pay its commitment. The US encouragement to do so is not, "Do it or we'll invite Russia to attack you."

"Child, you better do your homework or I'll tell Daddy to slit your throat."

You have nothing to offer except regurgitated talking points from alt reich idiots. Be better.

Yes, I often have to repeat myself when talking to children.

You admitted that Biden has NO SOLUTION to get NATO members to meet the 2%.

Trump is NOT CIC. Biden is, ... and he/Obama invited the Russians to invade Ukraine. YOUR real war is now causing some NATO members to step up. Real war is your solution.

 

[Bigdog]

We're not talking about the US border. Try to focus.

You are ignorant and uninformed typical lib. As I already told you ...

" Biden Tied Ukraine Aid to Border Security, and It Backfired ...

The New York Times

Dec 7, 2023 — President Biden faces difficult choices about how far to go in giving in to conservative demands that he choke off the number of migrants ..."

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/07/us/politics/biden-immigration-ukraine.html

I'm glad you agree the U.S. border is more important than the Ukraine border.

 

[Diesel]

Yes, I often have to repeat myself when talking to children.

You admitted that Biden has NO SOLUTION to get NATO members to meet the 2%.

Trump is NOT CIC. Biden is, ... and he/Obama invited the Russians to invade Ukraine. YOUR real war is now causing some NATO members to step up. Real war is your solution.

It's time for you to be committed.

I did not admit any such thing.

I'm not talking about Trump. Your pathetic hard on for your fat ass Jesus is showing.

Biden did not invite a war.

Real war is not my solution.

You're a fucking crackhead.

 

[Jarod]

So no criminal convictions.

Your point is that Biden is a racist, a plagiarizing cheater, and con artist all of his life.
When junkie Hunter fucks up, the CIA, secret service and FBI tries to cover it up. And Biden gets him a special exemption to join the Navy.

When Trump's employees fuck up, Trump takes responsibility.

NOt yet, just scams to take advantage of unintelligent people.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

So no criminal convictions.

Your point is that Biden is a racist, a plagiarizing cheater, and con artist all of his life.
When junkie Hunter fucks up, the CIA, secret service and FBI tries to cover it up. And Biden gets him a special exemption to join the Navy.

When Trump's employees fuck up, Trump takes responsibility.

Please cite a single example. I'm happy to wait but will not hold my breath.

 

[Bigdog]

It's time for you to be committed.

I did not admit any such thing.

I'm not talking about Trump. Your pathetic hard on for your fat ass Jesus is showing.

Biden did not invite a war.

Real war is not my solution.

You're a fucking crackhead.

All of your objections have already been squelched earlier in this thread. Don't make me repeat myself, son.

What is Biden's plan is to get NATO to meet their 2% pledge?

Like typical young adult Socialists, the Euro weenies don't want to work and want everyone else to work and give them free stuff. Those people used to be called Massa.

 

[Diesel]

All of your objections have already been squelched earlier in this thread. Don't make me repeat myself, son.

What is Biden's plan is to get NATO to meet their 2% pledge?

Like typical young adult Socialists, the Euro weenies don't want to work and want everyone else to work and give them free stuff. Those people used to be called Massa.

Send him a letter and ask.

 

[Bigdog]

Russian tanks ARE rolling across Europe, dope. Ukraine is in Europe. So are parts of Russia.

Of course, you are geographically correct. But the political and culture usage of the word "Europe" is more fluid.

 

[Into the Night]

Please cite a single example. I'm happy to wait but will not hold my breath.

Trying to deny history now, Sock?