Don't ask, don't tell

christiefan915 said:
Discrimination is always an issue. Specifically, how does a gay person threaten the cohesiveness of the military? You, I, and most of Americans work with gays all the time. Are you threatened by them in the workplace? at school? at church? at the mall?
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It's an issue because scared little SOUTHERN COWARDs like me are sofa generals with repressed feelings we're scared to admit.
 
RStringfield said:
Reread the thread. I raised religion before you started evading. I pointed out that it is chosen. You then compared religion/sexuality to child molestation. That comparison is faulty, for reasons I have pointed out, and does not further discussion.


Originally Posted by RStringfield
How does choice change anything?

People choose their religions. Any soldier who complained that he could not serve with another of a different faith would likely be thrown out of the military.


Originally Posted by SouthernMan
People choose to be child molesters too, and they shouldn't be allowed to live, never mind serve in the military.
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I still don't see how you inserted Catholic Priests into the discussion, unless of course it was to deflect. :palm:
 
bravo said:
As long as the UCMJ is unchanged...homo's will be subject to courts marshal..
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You're all over the map on this so if I misinterpreted, I apologize.

First you say that no one group should be selectively targeted. Then you say homosexual behaviour should not be tolerated and the soldier subject to the UCMJ if caught practicing sodomy. You also said this applies to anybody, not just gays, who break the rules. Is this right so far? Because I agree with both of these points.

Then you go on to say "homos ARE NOT DENIED the right to serve the country they love because of who they are. They are denied the freedom to 'flaunt' their sexuality in a public way while in the service of their country....
they are denied the freedom to act in a way "unbecoming a member of US Armed Services"......the same as any soldier, sailor, etc....", followed by saying DADT works for you.

If a gay person can't even enlist if it's known he's gay, that is selective targeting, which you say shouldn't happen. If a gay person actually enlists and then casually mentions his orientation, he would get kicked out, even if there was no sodomy, i.e. he was being abstinent.

Then you go on to say that a gay is denied freedom to flaunt sexuality in a public way, etc. What makes you think that any or all gays would publicly flaunt their sexuality, any more than a straight would? If you're concerned about breaking the rules, that's a different story than merely mentioning one's sexual orientation.

If DADT is the policy, then it should be applied equally to everyone, gay or straight. Obviously that's nonsensical, so there's really no other way to look at DADT except as being discriminatory.
 
Southern Man said:
I still don't see how you inserted Catholic Priests into the discussion, unless of course it was to deflect. :palm:
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Why must I keep repeating myself? Again, IT WAS A JOKE.

I responded to your assertion that child molestation is a chosen act, which has absolutely nothing to do with the issue and was only a deflection.

You still have not answered what relevance choice has to gays in the military. Religion is chosen and we tolerate those different choices.
 
southerncoward bitches about gays in the military from his sofa. Looks like the men not afraid to serve don't have a problem with it.
 
RStringfield said:
Why must I keep repeating myself? Again, IT WAS A JOKE.

I responded to your assertion that child molestation is a chosen act, which has absolutely nothing to do with the issue and was only a deflection.

You still have not answered what relevance choice has to gays in the military. Religion is chosen and we tolerate those different choices.
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Your "joke" was pure irony.

My point is that folks choose to do a lot of things, many of which will make them unacceptable for military service. Being queer is just another poor choice.

Like Topstool's dope habit. He's afraid of reality so stays stoned. Even if drafted he'd fail the physical. :)
 
Southern Manlove said:
I'm a lonesome sofa general who never served because I'm a southern coward, but I sure know a lot about being gay.
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It would help if you were even slightly funny. Subtle rather than full on glupnost...

Oh, and Southern Man, nobody could possibly be fooled by this one to think they are you. That was the reason I got rid of Southenn Man... that one was too close and people could mistake it for you.
 
Damocles said:
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Oh, and Southern Man, nobody could possibly be fooled by this one to think they are you. That was the reason I got rid of Southenn Man... that one was too close and people could mistake it for you.
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Fair enough. It's probably good for Topspin's mental health to come out of the closet like this anyway. Or at least it can't hurt. :good4u:
 
Southern Man said:
Your "joke" was pure irony.

My point is that folks choose to do a lot of things, many of which will make them unacceptable for military service. Being queer is just another poor choice.

Like Topstool's dope habit. He's afraid of reality so stays stoned. Even if drafted he'd fail the physical. :)
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A dope habit is a better example than child molestation. Still faulty, though. A drug habit can impact performance. But how does being homosexual make one unacceptable for military service?
 
RStringfield said:
A dope habit is a better example than child molestation. Still faulty, though. A drug habit can impact performance. But how does being homosexual make one unacceptable for military service?
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For the same reason that making poor lifestyle decisions makes one unacceptable for many positions where integrity, honor and persistence is important: it is an indication of a weak mind.
 
Southern Man said:
For the same reason that making poor lifestyle decisions makes one unacceptable for many positions where integrity, honor and persistence is important: it is an indication of a weak mind.
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Your redundant assertions without any argument to back them is an indication of a weak mind.

If it is a choice, what makes it a poor one? Your religion?
 
I will point out that the State Dept. used to have a good reason for not hiring gays, and its because they could be blackmailed for it and State Dept. Affairs compromised. Not such a security risk anymore, though...
 
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