Dixie - In Memoriam
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Fought for something that didn't yet exist in America! WOW! AMAZING!
Segregation now, segregation forever!
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Fought for something that didn't yet exist in America! WOW! AMAZING!
The schools were not segregated in 1870?
BTW, I have to admit I really like your new avatar.
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Nope. First of all, there were no Federal schools (still aren't), so the Congress would have had very little to do with segregated schools in 1870. Secondly, the act of "segregation" didn't begin to happen until after 1875 and passage of an act that required "equality" for blacks. Prior to this, there was basically no provision made in any state for blacks to have a separate school or a separate anything else. In most cases, black people would have been hung from a tree for even daring to say they wanted to attend a school with white people. There were some private schools operated by blacks, for blacks, and those were the only schools blacks could attend.
Tell you what skippy, why don't you go find us some actual speeches or proposed legislation from Rainey or any other black Congressman, or ANY Congressman for that matter, which supports your idiotic viewpoint? I would think most intelligent people would need to see some evidence like that, as opposed to taking your word for it, don't you think? So let's get with it, and stop the silliness. Repeating your nonsense over and over is getting us nowhere, and I don't need to waste any more time with someone who is ignorant of history and in denial of how things were in 1870 America.
So the schools were segregated?
Were black kids and white kids in public schools together or not?
Are you saying he was not elected?
"Rainey also advocated Radical Republican Senator Charles Sumner’s Civil Rights Bill of 1875, which outlawed racial discrimination on juries, in schools, on transportation, and in public accommodations. Sumner believed a law passed in 1872 granting amnesty to former Confederates should be conditioned by the passage of his civil rights bill. Although Rainey favored the Amnesty Act, which allowed most former Confederates to regain their political rights, he agreed with Sumner because of personal experience with discrimination in both Washington and South Carolina, ranging from exorbitant charges for drinks at a pub, to more serious violations of his civil rights. Rainey also described widespread segregation on public transportation, including trains and streetcars. Speaking for his black constituents, he declared, “We are earnest in our support of the Government. We were earnest in the house of the nation’s perils and dangers; and now, in our country’s comparative peace and tranquility, we are earnest for our rights.”11
Rainey focused on the bill’s provisions for desegregation in public schools, an issue that had bedeviled race relations for more than a century."
http://baic.house.gov/member-profiles/profile.html?intID=11
Rainey focused on the bill’s provisions for desegregation in public schools, an issue that had bedeviled race relations for more than a century."
http://baic.house.gov/member-profiles/profile.html?intID=11
"After the war, Southern state legislatures, which were dominated by ex-Confederates, passed unequal laws known as black codes that severely limited the rights of blacks. The codes varied slightly from state to state, but they all limited property owning and included vagrancy laws under which blacks could be forced to work for whites if they were considered unemployed (Sanford 43). For example, Mississippi prohibited blacks from renting property in towns or cities and had severe penalties for blacks who did not sign labor contracts consenting to work for whites. Peter B. Levy believed these codes effectively segregated blacks into the rural areas of the state where they were practically forced to become farm workers (89). The government also passed laws that segregated schools, courts, and juries. The black codes successfully, but unjustly, prevented the newly freed slaves from improving their status in society.
In response to the black codes, Congress, in 1866 took actions to remake the South. The Republicans of Congress wanted to ensure that the South was rebuilt with the newly freed blacks as workable members of society.
Under Reconstruction, blacks gained the right to vote throughout the former Confederate states and they were even elected to political office in the discriminatory South. By 1868, reformed and integrated Southern legislatures had repealed the majority of the laws that deliberately discriminated against blacks. Noticeable achievements of Reconstruction were the Civil Rights Act of 1866, the 14th Amendment, the 15th Amendment, and a series of "enforcement acts" designed to implement the new amendments. In 1875, Congress passed a new Civil Rights Act, designed to prohibit segregation in public facilities and accommodations, such as theaters, hotels, and restaurants. "
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/329018/history_of_segregation_in_america.html?cat=37
In response to the black codes, Congress, in 1866 took actions to remake the South. The Republicans of Congress wanted to ensure that the South was rebuilt with the newly freed blacks as workable members of society.
Under Reconstruction, blacks gained the right to vote throughout the former Confederate states and they were even elected to political office in the discriminatory South. By 1868, reformed and integrated Southern legislatures had repealed the majority of the laws that deliberately discriminated against blacks. Noticeable achievements of Reconstruction were the Civil Rights Act of 1866, the 14th Amendment, the 15th Amendment, and a series of "enforcement acts" designed to implement the new amendments. In 1875, Congress passed a new Civil Rights Act, designed to prohibit segregation in public facilities and accommodations, such as theaters, hotels, and restaurants. "
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/329018/history_of_segregation_in_america.html?cat=37
As one historian has noted, "Racial segregation was hardly a new phenomenon. Before the Civil War, when slavery had fixed the status of most blacks, no need was felt for statutory measures segregating the races.
Leon F. Litwack wrote [p. 229] in Trouble in Mind: Black Southerners in the Age of Jim Crow, the sequel to his Pulitzer Prize-winning history Been in the Storm So Long: The Aftermath of Slavery.
Leon F. Litwack wrote [p. 229] in Trouble in Mind: Black Southerners in the Age of Jim Crow, the sequel to his Pulitzer Prize-winning history Been in the Storm So Long: The Aftermath of Slavery.
After the Thirteenth Amendment abolished slavery in America, racial discrimination became regulated by the so called Jim Crow laws, which mandated strict segregation of the races. Though such laws were instituted shortly after fighting ended in many cases, they only became formalized after the end of Republican-enforced Reconstruction in the 1870s and 80s during a period known as the nadir of American race relations. This legalized segregation lasted up to the 1960s, primarily through the deep and extensive power of Southern Democrats.
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Dixie - In Memoriam
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There were NO public black schools in 1870.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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As you can see.... "segregation" laws were made AFTER the Civil War! Prior to this, there was no "segregation" there was complete dis-inclusion. I think I know where your confusion is coming from Jarhead, you are getting confused over two relatively big words (for you)... "Discrimination" and "segregation" and you are attempting to apply a 1960s definition to them and claim they were the same thing in 1870. I have not denied there was discrimination against blacks in America, that continued through the 1960s, and in some cases, is STILL happening. But "segregation" was actually not happening until laws were passed calling for "equality" for blacks. That is when white people started "segregating" blacks from whites, and calling it "equality" because it was "separate but equal" in their argument. The Supreme Court upheld that opinion until Brown v. Board of Ed in 1954.
So you are admiting that segregation occured in the 1870's? Okay, now we are making progress.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Nope... didn't admit that. Sorry.
The "segregation" policies started after the Reconstruction Congresses beginning around 1876. These continued until the 1964 Civil Rights Act in most cases, and the vast majority of Americans supported them, including the Supreme Court. I amended my original comments to add that some people did indeed oppose segregation, mostly black activists and white Mormons. Many of those people found themselves swinging from a tree for their efforts. None of your lies and distortions can be supported by anything except a misinterpretation of legislation and your uninformed opinion.
I continue to feel like I am being pushed into some argument that I haven't made here, probably because you WISH that I was making some argument that I have never made. That is regretful, but it doesn't bother me for you to show people what a prejudiced bigot you are.
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You are truly delusional, if you actually think anyone cares what you post.
Grow the fuck up, JEEZE.
Obviously you do, jackass...otherwise you wouldn't have spent the time and effort to read what I wrote and then post a response.
So are you admitting that at least some senators and congressmen were supporting desegregation?
Are you admitting that much of socity was segregated in the 1870's?
Those are the only two arguments you made that I am calling you out on at this point!
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Dixie - In Memoriam
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*sigh* No! How fucking many times do I need to type it???
The policies of "segregation" did not begin until AFTER 1875! Prior to that, there was no need for white people to "segregate" blacks, they simply did not include a separate facility for black people, because they didn't recognize black people as having any rights at all, they didn't consider them citizens, and many didn't even consider them people! You continue to erroneously argue that someone was advocating "desegregation" during a time in which there was NO segregation! How the fuck can something be "desegregated" if it is not "segregated" to begin with? It's fucking impossible, that's how!
Now your ignorance has persisted to the point of outrageously claiming that Congress passed a "Desegregation Act of 1875" and supporting your idiocy with examples of a black congressman from SOUTH CAROLINA, who was NOT elected by the people of the state, rather 'appointed' by the state legislature, which at the time, was controlled by the Union during Reconstruction. It is beyond absurd, it is ridiculous to argue that this nation advocated "desegregation" in 1875! If it makes you feel better about your own state's role in discrimination against black people, that is fine, it's just not honest. The fact is, your state, along with the other states in the US, upheld and endorsed policies of segregation for nearly a century after the Civil War, and up until 1954, it was considered fully constitutional and supported by the United States Supreme Court! No legitimate candidate for state or national office ever advocated desegregation or equality for blacks to any real degree, largely because the vast and overwhelming majority of voters (who were all white) did not condone such a thing. This is the very real fact of reality, and you continue to remain in denial of it!
Now shut the fuck up and go away! You've not proven your point, you've not made a valid point, you've not refuted my point, and all you've shown is an ignorance of history and willing denial of reality and fact! It is precisely THIS attitude which has fostered years of racial turmoil in America, and no doubt, will continue to do so, as long as we have idiots like you who refuse to acknowledge the past. I can accept the past, I can admit the South was deplorable in their treatment of blacks through the years, but you apparently CAN'T do that, you have to try and HIDE behind some false perception that America was overwhelmingly non-racist and supportive of equal rights for blacks, and the problem was those pesky Southerners who somehow managed to keep black people relegated to second-class citizens all those years, against the will of the rest of the country!
Blacks and whites were not segregated prior to 1875?
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Why would white people need to provide "separate but equal" facilities for black people? Why would businesses need to go to the expense and trouble of doing that? There was no law stating this had to be done, and the 'interpretations' of the Constitution at the time, didn't even give black people American citizenship. They didn't have any right to equality with white people, so why would white people be going out of their way to provide it?
The CRA of 1875, which you are crowing about here, was actually the impetus behind segregation policies. It was the REASON we had segregation for another century! After that act was passed, it became the law that blacks had to be given "equal access" ....note, it doesn't say SAME access! Therefore, white people began practices of "segregation" and provided "separate but equal" facilities for blacks, which conformed to the CRA of 1875 as it was written, and the SCOTUS upheld the practice until 1954. In 1954, the argument was made, that "separate but equal" was indeed NOT equal, and the concept of "desegregation" was born.