christiefan915
Catalyst
You "never suspect" a lot of things. It's a real problem with your interpretation of comments.
Palingate at CSU
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You "never suspect" a lot of things. It's a real problem with your interpretation of comments.
TuTu Monroe
A Realist
I still get a kick out of Kerry falling while skiing and blaming his Secrete Service detail, saying that they cut him off.
What's with the left?....always blaming everyone but themselves. Obama does this constantly and is looking like a fool.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
That's simple: refusal to accept personal responsibility. That's why they want welfare, equal outcomes regardless of performance, and to be taken care of from cradle to grave.
Conservatives understand that with freedom comes personal responsibility. Liberals want freedom from personal responsibility. Wanderingbear has even admitted that's what he wants, and I say kudos to him for that, as most liberals won't even take responsibility for admitting that.
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not what i said...it is ridiculous to think i meant every conservative or liberal
in this case, the field was very small, presidential candidates and you proved your hypocrisy, so now all you have left to blow out of proportion what i said and do you best to deflect onto me in order to convince your buddies that you weren't really hypocritical
like i said, nice try
cawacko
Well-known member
Wanderingbear is also a hippie. Cue Eric Cartman for some awesome anti-hippie rants.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
At least he was honest about not wanting personal responsibility. Most liberals are liars and won't admit that they don't want the responsibility to wipe their own noses.
Another anomaly is "if documents were being shredded" how'd they get these intact non-shredded documents? LOL
This is the kind of stupidity that proves libs are running scared! I mean imagine Sarha Palin, who is in a high demand for speaking engagements, and who has thrown her energy and popularity behind conservative candidates, ideas, and the TEA party, has a speaking fee and expectations of transportation and god forbid drinking water>>>
Has anyone researched how common this kind of thing is for high profile personalities that are being contracted for through private foundations?
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Hollywood types have huge lists of requirements down to the correct brand of soap in the bathrooms yet these liberals complain that Palin wants drinking water.
And yes a bendy straw. She shouldn't have to drink out of the bottle on camera.
christiefan915
Catalyst
not what i said...it is ridiculous to think i meant every conservative or liberal
in this case, the field was very small, presidential candidates and you proved your hypocrisy, so now all you have left to blow out of proportion what i said and do you best to deflect onto me in order to convince your buddies that you weren't really hypocritical
like i said, nice try
Talk about double standards... why do you keep running away from this?
Why is Palin off-limits to criticism and why does she have to be handled with kid gloves?
cawacko
Well-known member
Update from today's papaer....
Trashed document not Palin pact, college says
Paperwork lifted from a Dumpster by students at California State University, Stanislaus was not part of Sarah Palin's speaking contract, but an earlier version of the agreement, campus President Hamid Shirvani said Wednesday.
"Somebody took pages four to nine of an earlier contract, unsigned, that the vice president for advancement threw in her recycling trash bin," Shirvani said as he spoke on the matter for the first time. "This is not the contract. There's no price on it."
Shirvani denied any wrongdoing on the university's part. He said he would cooperate fully with Attorney General Jerry Brown, who on Tuesday announced an investigation into allegations by a state senator that the campus improperly dumped not only the Palin contract, but other financial paperwork that public agencies, by law, are supposed to keep in their files.
Palin, the former governor of Alaska and vice presidential candidate, is to speak June 25 at the Turlock campus for a campus fundraiser hosted by the CSU Stanislaus Foundation, a private nonprofit.
The controversy over her contract erupted last month after the foundation denied a request by state Sen. Leland Yee, D-San Francisco, to learn how much Palin would be paid. Yee is sponsoring a bill to require private university foundations to comply with the state Public Records Act.
Yee argues that the public university and its private foundation are so intertwined as to make them one and the same.
Shirvani, who serves as both campus president and chairman of the foundation's board, acknowledged Wednesday that foundation business is conducted out of campus offices.
Nevertheless, he said, the foundation is not required to make public its paperwork, including the Palin contract, which includes a confidentiality clause. He did say the foundation would never again sign a contract with a confidentiality clause.
"This is a lesson learned," Shirvani said.
On Tuesday, a group of students appeared at a news conference in Sacramento with Yee and a mountain of documents, including bank stubs, financial spreadsheets and five pages of what appeared to be Palin's contract - that the students had taken out of a campus Dumpster Friday.
The March 16 contract specified that the speaker, traveling from Anchorage, Alaska, would need a pair of first-class airline tickets and accommodations in a deluxe hotel. Two additional business-class tickets would be needed to fly elsewhere.
Shirvani emphasized that no matter what Palin's fee is, her appearance at the $500-a-plate dinner will bring in, after expenses, $100,000 to $200,000 for the foundation. The foundation pays for student scholarships and professors' salaries in the form of endowed chairs.
"This is not about how much money we're paying Gov. Palin," Shirvani said. "This is about political ideology. If we had invited Michael Moore or Al Gore, we'd have nobody asking how much we're paying them.
"We're being used as a political pawn for Sen. Yee because he's so obsessed with passing his bill."
Yee's spokesman, Adam Keigwin, agreed that the dispute is about the bill because documents housed at the university should be public.
"It's as if I'm working on Leland Yee's campaign from my desk here at the Senate," Keigwin said. "It's laughable. What's to stop (university officials) from not disclosing anything by just claiming it's foundation work?"
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/04/15/BAG31CUTIO.DTL&tsp=1
Trashed document not Palin pact, college says
Paperwork lifted from a Dumpster by students at California State University, Stanislaus was not part of Sarah Palin's speaking contract, but an earlier version of the agreement, campus President Hamid Shirvani said Wednesday.
"Somebody took pages four to nine of an earlier contract, unsigned, that the vice president for advancement threw in her recycling trash bin," Shirvani said as he spoke on the matter for the first time. "This is not the contract. There's no price on it."
Shirvani denied any wrongdoing on the university's part. He said he would cooperate fully with Attorney General Jerry Brown, who on Tuesday announced an investigation into allegations by a state senator that the campus improperly dumped not only the Palin contract, but other financial paperwork that public agencies, by law, are supposed to keep in their files.
Palin, the former governor of Alaska and vice presidential candidate, is to speak June 25 at the Turlock campus for a campus fundraiser hosted by the CSU Stanislaus Foundation, a private nonprofit.
The controversy over her contract erupted last month after the foundation denied a request by state Sen. Leland Yee, D-San Francisco, to learn how much Palin would be paid. Yee is sponsoring a bill to require private university foundations to comply with the state Public Records Act.
Yee argues that the public university and its private foundation are so intertwined as to make them one and the same.
Shirvani, who serves as both campus president and chairman of the foundation's board, acknowledged Wednesday that foundation business is conducted out of campus offices.
Nevertheless, he said, the foundation is not required to make public its paperwork, including the Palin contract, which includes a confidentiality clause. He did say the foundation would never again sign a contract with a confidentiality clause.
"This is a lesson learned," Shirvani said.
On Tuesday, a group of students appeared at a news conference in Sacramento with Yee and a mountain of documents, including bank stubs, financial spreadsheets and five pages of what appeared to be Palin's contract - that the students had taken out of a campus Dumpster Friday.
The March 16 contract specified that the speaker, traveling from Anchorage, Alaska, would need a pair of first-class airline tickets and accommodations in a deluxe hotel. Two additional business-class tickets would be needed to fly elsewhere.
Shirvani emphasized that no matter what Palin's fee is, her appearance at the $500-a-plate dinner will bring in, after expenses, $100,000 to $200,000 for the foundation. The foundation pays for student scholarships and professors' salaries in the form of endowed chairs.
"This is not about how much money we're paying Gov. Palin," Shirvani said. "This is about political ideology. If we had invited Michael Moore or Al Gore, we'd have nobody asking how much we're paying them.
"We're being used as a political pawn for Sen. Yee because he's so obsessed with passing his bill."
Yee's spokesman, Adam Keigwin, agreed that the dispute is about the bill because documents housed at the university should be public.
"It's as if I'm working on Leland Yee's campaign from my desk here at the Senate," Keigwin said. "It's laughable. What's to stop (university officials) from not disclosing anything by just claiming it's foundation work?"
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/04/15/BAG31CUTIO.DTL&tsp=1
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exactly...i don not ever recall such a hoopla when a dem speaker spoke at a campus
and if this is not the actual contract, lmao off at the dumpster divers so desperate to try and score some political points
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why do you kill people?
the above question is the same vein of question. i never said she is to be off limits and never said she needed to be handled with kid gloves. in fact, i have repeatedly criticized palin and have repeatedly said i do not support her.
there are no double standards, you're just desperate to deflect off your hypocrisy.
christiefan915
Catalyst
When did you stop beating your wife?
Apparently I missed it because I don't recall any specific criticism you've made of Palin. You've defended her to the limit and that spells "support" to me.
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thats your problem not mine....i haven't defended her to the limit, all i've done is call out those who are obsessed with her and call out hypocrisy...that is hardly defending palin
i seriously doubt you can find many posts where i defend palin, i've repeatedly said she is bad for the gop, repeatedly criticized her quitting....but hey, you only see what you want to see because you're so desperate to deflect your own hypocrisy
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i wonder if christie will admit she is wrong and apologize
evince
Truthmatters
They will never admitt she is obviously using them to make a pantload of cash.
The Governor gig money was looking pretty pale compared to what book sales and speaking fees she saw others getting.
She didnt have to learn anything new and could just keep doing what she always been doing.
The Governor gig money was looking pretty pale compared to what book sales and speaking fees she saw others getting.
She didnt have to learn anything new and could just keep doing what she always been doing.
cawacko
Well-known member
LMWAO!!!!
So hundreds if not thousands of people make money/a living off doing speaking engagements/tours across the U.S. and the world and Desh finds that Sarah Palin is using people doing the same thing.
You cannot pay for insight like that anywhere else. You ought to have you own speaking tour to share this info with everyone.
cawacko
Well-known member
So Dungheap, just curious based on our discussion yesterday if you think there is a difference between Edward's speech costing UC Davis $55K and Palin's speech bring in $100k to $200k to the University?
Those are the financial facts of the two cases and why I believe they would be treated differently. Do you still feel otherwise?
Those are the financial facts of the two cases and why I believe they would be treated differently. Do you still feel otherwise?