got your papers?

The bill requires law enforcement officers to determine the immigration status of any individual that the law enforcement officer has reasonably suspect is an illegal alien. It isn't much of a stretch to suggest that such suspicion will be based on the appearance of the individual.

I would say there is no stretch at all. If the cops have the right to request that information based solely on suspicion of being an illegal immigrant, then it stands to reason the Latino community is going to get targeted.
 
do you have a problem with officer's stopping suspicious people on the street if they reasonably suspect a crime has been committed?

what about customs officers? border agents? they can both stop and search your person, belongings for less cause. do you also believe that is wrong?

and once again, you can't show me from the bill where it says that.

Enforcement of Immigration Law

· Prohibits law enforcement officials and law enforcement agencies of this state or counties, municipalities and political subdivisions from restricting or limiting the enforcement of the federal immigration laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law.

· Requires officials and agencies to reasonably attempt to determine the immigration status of a person involved in a lawful contact where reasonable suspicion exists regarding the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation.

· Stipulates that if the person is arrested, the person’s immigration status must be determined before the person is released and must be verified with the federal government.

· Stipulates that a law enforcement official or agency cannot solely consider race, color or national origin when implementing these provisions, except as permitted by the U.S. or Arizona Constitution.

· Specifies that a person is presumed to be lawfully present if the person provides any of the following:

Ø A valid Arizona driver license.

Ø A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.

Ø A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.

Ø A valid federal, state or local government issued identification, if the issuing entity requires proof of legal presence before issuance.

· Requires that if a person is convicted of any state or local law, on discharge from imprisonment or on the assessment of any monetary obligation imposed, ICE or U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) must be immediately notified.

· Authorizes a law enforcement agency to securely transport an unlawfully present alien to a federal facility.

· Requires a law enforcement agency to obtain judicial authorization before securely transporting an unlawfully present alien to a point of transfer that is outside of Arizona.

· Prohibits, except as provided in federal law, officials and agencies of counties, cities, towns or other political subdivisions from being prevented or restricted from sending, receiving or maintaining information relating to the immigration status, of any individual or exchanging that information with another governmental entity for the following official purposes:

Ø Determination of eligibility for any public benefit, service or license.

Ø Verification of any claim of legal domicile if legal domicile is required by law or judicial order.

Ø If the person is an alien, determination of the person’s compliance with federal registration laws.

Ø Pursuant to federal laws regarding communication between government agencies and federal immigration agencies.

· Stipulates that these provisions does not implement, authorize or establish and cannot be construed to implement authorize or establish the REAL ID Act of 2005, including the use of Radio Frequency Identification (RFID).

· Allows a person who is a legal resident of this state to bring an action in superior court to challenge officials and agencies of the state, counties, cities, towns or other political subdivisions that adopt or implement a policy that limits or restricts the enforcement of federal immigration laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law.

· Requires the court to order any that a violating entity pays a civil penalty of at least $1,000 and not to exceed $5,000 for each day that the policy has remained in effect after it has been found to be violating these provisions.

· States that the court will collect the penalty and transmit the collected monies to the state Treasurer for deposit in the Gang and Immigration Intelligence Team Enforcement Mission (GIITEM) Fund.

· Authorizes the court to award court costs and reasonable attorney fees to any person or any official or agency that prevails in a case brought under these provisions.

· Indemnifies officers against actions brought under these provisions, except if the officer has been adjudged to have acted in bad faith.

· Stipulates that these provisions are to be implemented consistent with federal immigration law protecting the civil right of all persons and respecting the privileges and immunities of US citizens.

Willful Failure to Complete or Carry an Alien Registration Document

· Specifies that in addition to any violation of federal law, a person is guilty of willful failure to complete or carry an alien registration document if the person is in violation of 8 U.S.C. § 1304(e) or 1306(a).

· Stipulates that the immigration status may be determined by:

Ø A law enforcement officer who is authorized by the federal government to verify or ascertain an alien’s immigration status.

Ø ICE or CBP pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1373(c).

· Prevents a person convicted of the new offense from being eligible for suspension of sentence, probation, pardon, commutation of sentence, or release from confinement on any basis except for as authorized by the Director of the Arizona Department of Correction until the sentence imposed has been served or the person is eligible for release due to early release credits.

· Requires the court to order the person to pay jail costs and an additional assessment of:

Ø At least $500 for a first offense.

Ø Twice the amount the person was ordered to pay for the first offense if this is the second or subsequent offense.

· States that the court will collect the assessments and transmit the collected monies to the Department of Public Safety for deposit in a special sub-account of the account established for GIITEM.

· Stipulates that monies in the sub-account are subject to legislative appropriation for distribution for gang and immigration enforcement and for county jail costs relating to illegal immigration.

· Stipulates that any record that relates to the immigration status of a person is admissible in any court without further foundation or testimony from a custodian of records if the record is certified as authentic by the government agency responsible for maintaining the record.

· Makes a first offense a class 1 misdemeanor.

· Increases the penalty to a class 3 felony if the person commits the offense while in possession of:

Ø A dangerous drug (A.R.S. § 13-3401).

Ø Precursor chemicals used to manufacture methamphetamine (A.R.S. § 13-3404.01).

Ø A deadly weapon (A.R.S. § 13-3101).

Ø A dangerous instrument (A.R.S. § 13-105).

Ø Property used for committing an act of terrorism (A.R.S. § 13-2308.01).

· Makes violations a class 4 felony if either:

Ø It is a second or subsequent violation.

Ø Within 60 days, the person has been removed from the U.S. either under 8 U.S.C. § 1229a or 8 U.S.C. § 1229c.

Unlawfully Picking up Passengers for Work

· Specifies that it is a class 1 misdemeanor for an occupant of a motor vehicle that is stopped on a street, roadway, or highway to attempt to hire or hire and pick up passengers for work at a different location, if the motor vehicle blocks or impedes the normal movement of traffic.

· Specifies that it is a class 1 misdemeanor for a person to enter a motor vehicle that is stopped on a street, roadway or highway in order to be hired by an occupant of the motor vehicle and to be transported to work at a different location, if the motor vehicle blocks or impedes the normal movement of traffic.

· Specifies that it is a class 1 misdemeanor for a person who is unlawfully present who is an unauthorized alien to knowingly apply for work, solicit work in a public place or perform work as an employee or independent contractor.

· Defines solicit and unauthorized alien.

Unlawfully Transporting or Harboring Unlawful Aliens

· Stipulates that it is unlawful for a person who is in violation of a criminal offense to:

Ø Transport or move an alien in a means of transportation, or attempt to do so, if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that the alien is here unlawfully.

Ø Conceal, harbor or shield an alien, or attempt to, if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that the alien is here unlawfully.

Ø Encourage or induce an alien to come to this state if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that doing so would be a violation of law.

· Specifies that a means of transportation used in a violation of these provisions is subject to mandatory vehicle immobilization or impoundment.

· Specifies that these provisions do not apply to a Child Protective Services worker acting in the worker’s official capacity or a person who is acting in the capacity of a first responder, an ambulance attendant or an emergency medial technician and is transporting or moving an alien in relation to emergency medial services.

· Stipulates that violators are guilty of a class 1 misdemeanor and subject to a fine of at least $1,000. However, a violation involving 10 or more illegal aliens is a class 6 felony and subject to a fine of at least $1,000 for each alien involved.

· Requires a peace officer to immobilize or impound a person’s vehicle if the officer determines either that:

Ø In furtherance of the illegal presence of an alien and in violation of a criminal offense, the person is transporting or moving, or attempting to do so in a vehicle if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that the alien is here unlawfully.

Ø The person is concealing, harboring or shielding an alien in this state, or attempting to do so in a vehicle if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that the alien is here unlawfully.

Employer Sanctions

· Provides employers with the affirmative defense that they were entrapped, but they must admit the substantial elements of the violation.

· Stipulates that the employer has the burden of proof proving the following by a preponderance of the evidence:

Ø The idea of committing the violation started with the officer or their agents.

Ø The officers or their agents urged and induced the employer to commit the violation.

Ø The employer was not predisposed to commit the violation before the law enforcement officer or agents urged and induced the employer to do so.

· Stipulates that an employer is not entrapped if the employer was predisposed to violate the law and law enforcement merely provided the employer with the opportunity. Additionally, it is not entrapment for law enforcement to use a ruse or to conceal their identity.

· Requires employers to keep a record of the employment verification from E-verify for the duration of an employee’s employment, or three years, whichever is longer.

Miscellaneous

· Authorizes peace officers, in the enforcement of human smuggling laws, to lawfully stop a person if they have reasonable suspicion to believe the person is in violation of any civil traffic law.

· Authorizes a peace officer to arrest a person without a warrant if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the U.S.

· Establishes the GIITEM fund (fund) and directs monies collected from penalties resulting from policies limiting the enforcement of federal immigration law to the fund.

· Requires the Arizona Department of Public Safety to administer the fund, which is subject to legislative appropriation and is to be used for gang and immigration enforcement and for county jail reimbursement for costs relating to illegal immigration.

· Contains intent and severability, implementation and construction clauses.

· Specifies that this act may be cited as the “Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act.”

· Makes technical and conforming changes.
 
I would say there is no stretch at all. If the cops have the right to request that information based solely on suspicion of being an illegal immigrant, then it stands to reason the Latino community is going to get targeted.

so ONLY the latino community is going to be targeted?
 
so ONLY the latino community is going to be targeted?

Did I say ONLY Yurt?

Or did I say "it stands to reason the Latino community is going to get targeted."?

Which did I say Yurt?

But to expand upon MY comment (not your lame attempt to interpret it), yes, I believe it will predominantly be used to check Latino's. I doubt to many Asians, Blacks, Whites, Native Americans or even the damn bloody Irishmen will be 'checked' to any great extent.
 
wtf is that SF? what is your point with that ridiculously long post with no hint at why you posted it....

It is the TEXT of the BILL that you were asking for. Sorry it was more than a few words and thus confused you. I sometimes forget there are certain members of the board incapable of reading more than a sentence at a time. Damn, I am doing it again. I probably lost you at TEXT....
 
It is the TEXT of the BILL that you were asking for. Sorry it was more than a few words and thus confused you. I sometimes forget there are certain members of the board incapable of reading more than a sentence at a time. Damn, I am doing it again. I probably lost you at TEXT....

you could have just said that....you gave no indication of what it was you posted....

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Did I say ONLY Yurt?

Or did I say "it stands to reason the Latino community is going to get targeted."?

Which did I say Yurt?

But to expand upon MY comment (not your lame attempt to interpret it), yes, I believe it will predominantly be used to check Latino's. I doubt to many Asians, Blacks, Whites, Native Americans or even the damn bloody Irishmen will be 'checked' to any great extent.

do you know what a question mark is????????????????????

what is it with you and dunceler and question marks? i ask you two a question and you accuse me of twisting your words.....

maybe for you two idiots i will have to increase my font ?
 
do you have a problem with officer's stopping suspicious people on the street if they reasonably suspect a crime has been committed?

what about customs officers? border agents? they can both stop and search your person, belongings for less cause. do you also believe that is wrong?

and once again, you can't show me from the bill where it says that.


Your questions are irrelevant. The issue is what law enforcement officers will base their "reasonable suspicion" that someone is an illegal alien on. Obviously, the appearance of the individual will indeed by a primary factor. Do you disagree with that?

And this is the relevant bill language:

FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf
 
do you know what a question mark is????????????????????

what is it with you and dunceler and question marks? i ask you two a question and you accuse me of twisting your words.....

maybe for you two idiots i will have to increase my font ?

Do YOU know what a question mark is?

You asked a question.... I responded with one. Now it appears your panties are in a bunch again. I did not say you twisted my words, I asked you what I had previously stated. It was pretty clear.... yet you still were somehow confused by them. Thus it was necessary to clarify it for you.
 
great....so the bill doesn't say what don claimed....thanks SF...you're swell

Requires officials and agencies to reasonably attempt to determine the immigration status of a person involved in a lawful contact where reasonable suspicion exists regarding the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation.

The above portion seems to state what DQ was talking about.
 
The bill requires law enforcement officers to determine the immigration status of any individual that the law enforcement officer has reasonably suspect is an illegal alien. It isn't much of a stretch to suggest that such suspicion will be based on the appearance of the individual.
Actually it is quite a stretch, especially when other laws specifically prohibit their "looks" from providing that clue. (Anti-profiling laws). What they look like has no determining factor. It is more likely that they would suspect them based on what their license looked like.
 
Actually it is quite a stretch, especially when other laws specifically prohibit their "looks" from providing that clue. (Anti-profiling laws). What they look like has no determining factor. It is more likely that they would suspect them based on what their license looked like.


Your naivete is cute.
 
Do YOU know what a question mark is?

You asked a question.... I responded with one. Now it appears your panties are in a bunch again. I did not say you twisted my words, I asked you what I had previously stated. It was pretty clear.... yet you still were somehow confused by them. Thus it was necessary to clarify it for you.

you're the one who got all pissy...."did i say that" etc...

and then:

not your lame attempt to interpret it

that is basically saying i twisted your words, your entire response reads like someone who is pissed because i twisted your words
 
Your questions are irrelevant. The issue is what law enforcement officers will base their "reasonable suspicion" that someone is an illegal alien on. Obviously, the appearance of the individual will indeed by a primary factor. Do you disagree with that?

And this is the relevant bill language:



http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

my questions are "irrelevant" because you know they make your point shallow and meaningless....

if you're not brave enough to fully discuss the issue, just say so and i'll move on
 
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