I don't know if it does depend on that from what I have seen here. What I have seen here makes it seem that everyone on the left is insisting that any end to the war would be "appeasement"...
And you keep on misrepresenting allowing Russia to take Ukrainian land against Ukraine's will as an acceptable end to the war, while ignoring the likelihood that Putin will not be satisfied until he has it all.
The same folks who continued to support Obama after his weak response after Russia took the Crimean Peninsula are now panicking over someone else signing a deal that creates US interest in the region and ensures US participation and by extension security for Ukraine...
According to Obama: “There’s a reason there was not an armed invasion of Crimea, because Crimea was full of a lot of Russian speakers, and there was some sympathy to the views that Russia was representing.”
A large majority of Crimeans feel that being part of Russia would improve their lives
You didn't seem to care that it was carved into parts in 2014, never suggested it was "appeasement" though Russia maintained control of Crimea and the saber rattling came to nothing.
There was no support from Europe or the rest of the world for military action in Crimea.
That's a winning argument there for you. It has about the same impact as the "more desperate escape flights than ever before" as a reason for us to cheer. It was a debacle in every way, he didn't listen to Generals, insisted on a specific time and abandoned people, equipment, and folks literally dripped from our desperate escape flights to their deaths on the Tarmac. Pat yourself on the back for "it wasn't worth the billions it cost to create that abandoned equipment"... <SMH>
That "abandoned equipment" was bought and paid for by the Afghan government. All the sophisticated electronics and guidance systems that would have made it useful to the terrorists was removed or destroyed prior to leaving it.
The entire right-wing version of events is the same old exaggerated propaganda you all are known for.
Your braindead hero sucked at every single thing he did in foreign relations, every action he took led to the invasion in Ukraine and the funding of Hamas and attacks in the ME, his weakness destroyed real lives.
Give me a break. I bet you never said anything similar about Bush.
Under Bush and the Republicans, our nation was attacked on our own soil for the first time since Pearl Harbor. We responded by invading the wrong country, Iraq, who had nothing to do with 9/11. Then we wasted even more billions in Afghanistan bombing the desert rather than going after Bin Laden, who BTW was finally eradicated BY OBAMA.
I know that you have never suggested that anything that Obama has done was in any way bad.
Nobody is perfect but compared to Bush, who I know you have never suggested anything done by was in any way bad, Obama was an effective statesman.
Bush was a moron.
Tell me what your opinion was on his appeasement.
Just because you call it appeasement means nothing.
When a Democrat acts militarily even if it's just supplying weapons and support, you lying hypocrites scream "war monger!!!". When they decline to get involved militarily, you cry "appeasement".
The ass licking trump is giving to Putin is the real appeasement but you liars refuse to acknowledge it
I do not think we should or will remove ourselves from NATO. And yes, I am certain that Ukraine membership in NATO will be on the table in these discussions, such an agreement would have to involve more than just one NATO nation though.
On what do you base that? Your orange god has said on many occasions he wants us out of NATO. Given the spinelessness of the Republican Congress, there's little reason to expect an effective opposition if/when he and Putin decide it.
