TRUMP ISSUES HAMAS ONE LAST WARNING

[Into the Night]

lol ridiculous. The OT's main consistent theme is Jews Behaving Badly, and suffering assorted punishments and slap downs, and God having to rescue a few of them occasionally. In any case, the Babylonian exiles from Ezra on set themselves up as the 'only pure Jews' and from there on their racist cult set them apart from the majority of Mosaic religion and morphed into a another cult altogether. Christianity is a reform sect, embracing the universalism implicit in monotheism and became the most successful Jewish sect. Just because the Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox run around claiming otherwise is of no importance, they're just marginal cults, even in Israel itself; the majority of Israeli Jews are secular, and more of an ethnic group than a religion. The average Baptist is more Jewish theologically than the majority of Israelis.

Many Jews are quite secular, yes. After all, they don't believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God. They only think of him as a great teacher.
But they still observe their holy days (many of them). They still have their markings on their doors and other buildings of theirs. They still have a love of Israel.

A Baptist at some level believes Jesus Christs is the Son of God, even if they don't conform to His teachings.

There is no 'more' or 'less' theology. Theology is not a numerical value. It either exists, or it doesn't. Even with the case of the Church of No God, it still exists.

 

[Into the Night]

Asfor Putin he's already sending a big Fuck You to Trump, sn dis just going to grab as much as he can, as he always has., an das Russia always has.

Leopards never change their spots. Time to face reality and ignore the isolationist dumbasses.

Time will tell, of course. Trump can put considerable pressure on Putin to commit to cease fire.

 

[Into the Night]

That's my point. There is no Hamas in this equation.

Yes there is, IBD. You can't wish them away. Not even Israel can do that!

Your error was believing that there was ever a "militant terrorist Jew-killing" Hamas.

There is.

That has always been pure Israeli propaganda that American Christians eat up because they are gullible in that way.

Israel propaganda????? HAMAS is the Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiyya (Islamic Resistance Movement), which formed in 1987 by Shiek Ahmed Yassim.

Iran is the only attacker of Israel,

WRONG. Iran is ONE attacker of Israel.

yet Israel is too heavily vested in its HATRED of the ages against the Philistines that it obsesses over Hamas and the Philistines like Democrats and leftists obsess over Trump. Iran attacks Israel through its proxies Hezbollah, Al Qassam, and Islamic Jihad. Hamas has never had any money, never had any army and has never attacked Israel. You know this because you EVADE my request to post images of these Hamas fighters that you insist are out there terrorizing Israelis.

Not Philistines. HAMAS is a Suni Islamic political and militant organization.

You're gullible and clueless. The attack was from Iran through Al Qassam.

HAMAS is not Al Quassam. Redefinition fallacy.

You haven't gotten anything right on this issue, and you know it.

Argument of the Stone fallacy. Mantra 30a.

Your posts never contain any images of Hamas fighters because they don't exist.

I don't post images much, IBD. I don't need to. The lack of an image DOES NOT MEAN THEY DON'T EXIST. Attempted negative proof fallacy.

Iran did not authorize Hamas or anyone else to even know about the attack until it happened.

Iran does not govern HAMAS. It DOES fund it, though.

Just watch, Hamas has no hostages so they won't be producing any.

They do still have live hostages. They only killed about half of the hostages they took.

Why do you think that hostages can only be released from Qatar?

Neutral place (more or less), agreed to by both parties (at least once!).

So, put up your images of Hamas fighters or admit that you don't know the first thing about what's going on in that neck of the woods.

Attempted negative proof fallacy.

And while you're at it, repeat your special pleading fallacy

Fallacy fallacy.

that Israel can slaughter whoever the hell they want as long as they issue a press release claiming to have killed some Hamas leaders,

Israel was at war with Hamas, dude. That war is coming to an end, but not yet there.

as if that somehow magically makes every war crime defined in the IV Geneva Convention acceptable,

Hamas is not a signatory of the Geneva convention.

just because it's Israel that is perpetrating the genocide

No genocide, IBD.

as defined by the US, Israel and other signatories, a definition you will not read so as to maintain plausible deniability.

No genocide.

Denying your religious irrationality

My religion has nothing to do with the existence of Hamas.

and pretending your special pleading fallacy

Fallacy fallacy.

somehow excuses the mass slaughter of civilian, noncombatant Philistines, is all pretty shitty.

War is shitty, IBD. That's why it's best to avoid it if possible. The Democrats haven't learned this.

 

[IBDaMann]

Yes there is, IBD.

Nope. That's why you can't post any images of your HAMAS fighters. They don't exist.

You can't wish them away.

You can't delude them into existence.

WRONG. Iran is ONE attacker of Israel.

The only one since 1979.

Not Philistines. HAMAS is a Suni Islamic political and militant organization.

i.e. a Gazan political party, with no money and no military.

HAMAS is not Al Quassam.

Thank you. I appreciate the honesty.

Israel was at war with Hamas, dude.

Yes, Israel declared WAR! with Hamas, knowing that nobody would ask them why they aren't declaring war on Iran.

That war is coming to an end, but not yet there.

Israel declared their "WAR" against the Arab Semites that they HATE, so that they could slaughter tens of thousands of innocent Gazan civilian noncombatants (who never had anyone hiding behind them) and commit many counts of every war crime defined in IV Geneva Convention, and even meet the definition of "Genocide" as defined in the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. to which the US and Israel are signatories.

Hamas is not a signatory of the Geneva convention.

Those who are signatories are bound to comply. The US and Israel are signatories and are thus required to comply. Israel has perpetrated many, many war crimes and should be held accountable.

No genocide, IBD.

It's not up for debate. "Genocide" is defined and both the US and Israel have signed up to that definition. You do not get a say in that matter.

My religion has nothing to do with the existence of Hamas.

Your religion has everything to do with your inability to be rational on this topic.

War is shitty, IBD.

Genocide is shitty, Into the Night as are its perpetrators.

 

[Into the Night]

You can't delude them into existence.

LIF. Grow up.

The only one since 1979.


i.e. a Gazan political party, with no money and no military.

It has some money. Some it gets locally, and some it gets from other nations, including Iran.

Thank you. I appreciate the honesty.

Yes, Israel declared WAR! with Hamas, knowing that nobody would ask them why they aren't declaring war on Iran.

It wasn't Iran that attacked. It was Hamas.

Israel declared their "WAR" against the Arab Semites that they HATE,

Israel was attacked by Hamas, dude.

so that they could slaughter tens of thousands of innocent Gazan civilian noncombatants (who never had anyone hiding behind them) and commit many counts of every war crime defined in IV Geneva Convention, and even meet the definition of "Genocide" as defined in the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. to which the US and Israel are signatories.

Hamas is not a signatory to the Geneva convention, dude.

Those who are signatories are bound to comply. The US and Israel are signatories and are thus required to comply. Israel has perpetrated many, many war crimes and should be held accountable.

What 'war crimes'???

It's not up for debate. "Genocide" is defined and both the US and Israel have signed up to that definition. You do not get a say in that matter.

No genocide.

Your religion has everything to do with your inability to be rational on this topic.

I am not Jewish, dude. It is YOU trying to deny that Hamas exists. It is YOU trying to blame Israel for the attack by Hamas. It is YOU attempting to equate Hamas with Iran.

I'm not blaming your religion, because you have none.

Genocide is shitty, Into the Night as are its perpetrators.

I am not committing any genocide, dude.

 

[IBDaMann]

LIF. Grow up.

Your king is tipped.

It has some money.

Not really. I wouldn't classify pocket change as being funded.

Some it gets locally, and some it gets from other nations, including Iran.

Absurd. Iran does not gift anyone money. Gaza has no real sources of revenue. Hamas has no money.

It wasn't Iran that attacked. It was Hamas.

Absurd. Show me some images of these Hamas fighters who attack people.

Israel was attacked by Hamas, dude.

You are gullible. Show me some images of these Hamas fighters that you claim could attack people.

Hamas is not a signatory to the Geneva convention, dude.

Granted. Irrelevant. Nice pivot. Israel is the signatory who is violating the Convention. Israel must be held accountable by the other signatories, e.g. the US.

What 'war crimes'???

Those defined in IV Geneva Convention. Please deny that exists as well. Please deny that US and Israel are signatories.

No genocide.

The definition has been established and ratified by the US and Israel, along with almost every other country. Israel is conforming to that definition.

I am not Jewish, dude.

You are Christian and you religiously adopt the Old Testament into your faith.

It is YOU trying to deny that Hamas exists.

Nope. I don't deny their existence. I deny their relevance. Naive, gullible Christians think their knowledge of the Old Testament makes them expert geniuses on current events. There is nothing more dangerous than a moron who thinks he's a genius. You have no clue who is doing what. You OBEY whatever your church groups instruct you to believe as part of your religion. As such, you cannot be rational on this topic.

Post some images of these Hamas fighters who you insist go around attacking people.

It is YOU trying to blame Israel for the attack by Hamas.

It is you fabricating fictitious bogey men as a pretense for your special pleading fallacy. You applaud a Nazi genocide when Israel is the perpetrator.

It is YOU attempting to equate Hamas with Iran.

That would be you. I'm not the one denying Iran's attack on Israel via Al Qassam. I'm not the one claiming the existence of Hamas fighters that don't exist.

I'm not blaming your religion, because you have none.

This is precisely why I am not beholden to any Christian church group to do my thinking for me. By the way, I ask all Christians who insist that Hamas attacked Israel to produce some images of these Hamas fighters, to show why any rational adult should believe that Hamas ever had the capability to attack anyone, and every single such Christian weasels out as you do. No Christian has any rational basis for believing that there is any big, bad , militant Hamas army of killers beyond their Christian church groups insisting that they side with Israel and believe that there is.

I am not committing any genocide, dude.

I'm not claiming that you are. I am merely pointing out that you cheer it on, with glee. You turn a blind eye to everything obvious just so you can chant that there is nothing to see here. You are deathly afraid of going against Israel because you don't want to go against God. I get it.

The next time you pray to God, ask him for a link to images of those militant Hamas fighters.

 

[Libhater]

He IS right that Hamas gets a lot of funding from Iran, and even direction from Iran, but Hamas isn't Iran.
I believe he is right that dealing with just Hamas won't solve any situation there. You have to reduce Iran and anyone else funding this shit to throwing rocks. Stop funding them, like Biden (Obama?) did.

I agree with you, but the main terror outfit holding Palestine (GAZA) in a non winnable and people destructive environment is Hamas. These, or this proxy Hamas is standing in the way of freeing up that part of GAZA.

 

[EdwinA]

Many Jews are quite secular, yes. After all, they don't believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God. They only think of him as a great teacher.
But they still observe their holy days (many of them). They still have their markings on their doors and other buildings of theirs. They still have a love of Israel.

A Baptist at some level believes Jesus Christs is the Son of God, even if they don't conform to His teachings.

There is no 'more' or 'less' theology. Theology is not a numerical value. It either exists, or it doesn't. Even with the case of the Church of No God, it still exists.

Nah, they're secular for the most part. they celebrate Jewish culture the same way many non-beleivers celebrate Christmas or Halloween, i.e. a cultural practice, not a religious one. So yes, there is indeed a 'more or less' link to theology.

 

[Into the Night]

Your king is tipped.

Assumption of victory fallacy.

Not really. I wouldn't classify pocket change as being funded.

Too bad. It is.

Absurd. Iran does not gift anyone money.

They certainly do...usually with strings attached of course.

Gaza has no real sources of revenue. Hamas has no money.

They have some.

Absurd. Show me some images of these Hamas fighters who attack people.

Attempted negative proof fallacy. Denial of history.

You are gullible. Show me some images of these Hamas fighters that you claim could attack people.

Attempted negative proof fallacy. Denial of history. Repetition fallacy.

Granted. Irrelevant. Nice pivot.

Fallacy fallacy.

Israel is the signatory who is violating the Convention. Israel must be held accountable by the other signatories, e.g. the US.

Hamas is not a signatory of the Convention.

Those defined in IV Geneva Convention. Please deny that exists as well. Please deny that US and Israel are signatories.

Why?

The definition has been established and ratified by the US and Israel, along with almost every other country. Israel is conforming to that definition.

Paradox. Irrational. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox.

You are Christian and you religiously adopt the Old Testament into your faith.

So?

Nope. I don't deny their existence.

Paradox. Irrational. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox.

I deny their relevance.

Your word games won't work. You are still locked in this paradox.

Naive, gullible Christians think their knowledge of the Old Testament makes them expert geniuses on current events.

Four term fallacy.

There is nothing more dangerous than a moron who thinks he's a genius.

Mantra 1a. Lame.

You have no clue who is doing what.

Hamas attacked Israel. Israel persecuted a war against Hamas. That war is now coming to an end. Hamas essentially lost.

You OBEY whatever your church groups instruct you to believe as part of your religion. As such, you cannot be rational on this topic.

Four term fallacy.

Post some images of these Hamas fighters who you insist go around attacking people.

Attempted negative proof fallacy. Argument of ignorance fallacy.

It is you fabricating fictitious bogey men

I am not fabricating anything. It is YOU that is locked in two paradoxes now.

as a pretense for your special pleading fallacy.

Fallacy fallacy. No special pleading occurred. Stop making shit up.

You applaud a Nazi genocide when Israel is the perpetrator.

Israel is not Germany and this is not 1940 and there is no genocide.

That would be you. I'm not the one denying Iran's attack on Israel via Al Qassam. I'm not the one claiming the existence of Hamas fighters that don't exist.

You are still locked in those two paradoxes. You must resolve them or continue to be irrational.

This is precisely why I am not beholden to any Christian church group to do my thinking for me.

Neither am I.

By the way, I ask all Christians who insist that Hamas attacked Israel to produce some images of these Hamas fighters,

Attempted negative proof fallacy. Argument of ignorance fallacy. Denial of history.

to show why any rational adult should believe that Hamas ever had the capability to attack anyone,

You should really see the crappy rockets they built, the improvised munitions, the storage of military items using citizens as cover, the tunnels, and of course the powerchutes they used.

and every single such Christian weasels out as you do.

Bigotry. You don't get to speak for everyone. Omniscience fallacy.

No Christian has any rational basis for believing that there is any big, bad , militant Hamas army of killers beyond their Christian church groups insisting that they side with Israel and believe that there is.

Four term fallacy. Bigotry. Omniscience fallacy. Denial of history.

I'm not claiming that you are. I am merely pointing out that you cheer it on, with glee.

Mantra 1e. Lame. Mantra 30a. Gaslighting won't work.

You turn a blind eye to everything obvious

Inversion fallacy.

just so you can chant that there is nothing to see here.

Inversion fallacy.

You are deathly afraid of going against Israel because you don't want to go against God. I get it.

Israel didn't start this war, dude.

The next time you pray to God, ask him for a link to images of those militant Hamas fighters.

You are still locked in this paradox. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox. It is irrational.

 

[EdwinA]

Another 'Hey Look !!! I Have No Life And Parsed A Lot of Stuff Nobody Is Going To Read Again!!!' fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

I agree with you, but the main terror outfit holding Palestine (GAZA) in a non winnable and people destructive environment is Hamas.

Agreed, even though there is not much left of Hamas.

These, or this proxy Hamas is standing in the way of freeing up that part of GAZA.

Quite right. I guess they prefer to hold onto their hostages and live in bombed out wreckage.

 

[Into the Night]

Another 'Hey Look !!! I Have No Life And Parsed A Lot of Stuff Nobody Is Going To Read Again!!!' fallacy.

You don't get to speak for everyone Edwina. Omniscience fallacy.

 

[EdwinA]

You don't get to speak for everyone Edwina. Omniscience fallacy.

But you do, or so you think.

 

[IBDaMann]

Too bad. It is.

Then you chop your argument off at the knees. Hamas doesn't have anywhere near the funding required to undertake any of the activities you insist the perform. Your position becomes increasingly absurd every post you make.

I notice you still haven't been able to scrounge any images of Hamas fighters.

They certainly do...usually with strings attached of course.

Give me one example of where you have traced the money.

Israel didn't start this war, dude.

They absolutely did. When Israel chose to attack Gaza instead of Iran, Israel started that war, and under fraudulent auspices no less. It would have been different if Israel had waged war on Iran, then it would have been truthful to assert that Israel didn't start the war, ... but alas, Israel didn't attack Iran. Israel went full out berserk against unarmed Gazan civilian noncombatants who had nobody hiding behind them, just because Israel HATES Arab Semites more than they care about retribution for some attack from Iran. *AND* Israel knows that they can always get away with perpetrating a genocide on the Philistines as long as the US is full of gullible Christians who will applaud everything Israel does and who will engage in special pleading fallacies whenever Israel commits atrocities of any type.

You support a genocide. That's a shitty position to try to defend.

 

[Into the Night]

But you do, or so you think.

Blatant lie (synthesis).

 

[EdwinA]

Blatant lie (synthesis).

Blatant Lie fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Then you chop your argument off at the knees. Hamas doesn't have anywhere near the funding required to undertake any of the activities you insist the perform. Your position becomes increasingly absurd every post you make.

Yes it does...or at least it did.

I notice you still haven't been able to scrounge any images of Hamas fighters.

Attempted negative proof. Argument of ignorance fallacy.

Give me one example of where you have traced the money.

No need to trace the money. Strawman fallacy.

They absolutely did. When Israel chose to attack Gaza instead of Iran, Israel started that war, and under fraudulent auspices no less.

Hamas attacked Israel, dude. You can't make that go away.

It would have been different if Israel had waged war on Iran, then it would have been truthful to assert that Israel didn't start the war,

Israel didn't start the war, dude.

... but alas, Israel didn't attack Iran.

Iran didn't attack Israel. If anything, they only helped fund Hamas. You are still locked in this paradox.

Israel went full out berserk against unarmed Gazan civilian noncombatants who had nobody hiding behind them, just because Israel HATES Arab Semites more than they care about retribution for some attack from Iran. *AND* Israel knows that they can always get away with perpetrating a genocide on the Philistines as long as the US is full of gullible Christians who will applaud everything Israel does and who will engage in special pleading fallacies whenever Israel commits atrocities of any type.

Hamas is armed, You are still locked in this paradox.

You support a genocide. That's a shitty position to try to defend.

Blatant lie (synthesis). There is no genocide. Stop making shit up.

 

[Into the Night]

Blatant Lie fallacy.

Mimicking like a little child gets you nowhere, Edwina.

 

[EdwinA]

Mimicking like a little child gets you nowhere, Edwina.

Mimicry fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Mimicry fallacy.

Mimicking like a little child gets you nowhere, Edwina.