Trump’s Policies Have Shaken a Once-Solid Economic Outlook

[Damocles]

A bill is not law, Red.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ8psP4S6BQ

 

[Into the Night]

Most of it is coming through the southern border, yet Trump, in his infinite stupidity, is starting a trade war with Canada over basically nothing.
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It's coming in from BOTH nations, Void.

Canada started it's own problems. Nothing to do with the drug trade (although that IS one of it's problems).

It's not irrelevant. It's THE most relevant detail.

Irrelevance fallacy.

If these are US citizens bringing the drugs across the border,

It isn't. Unrelated.

then it's US Customs' job to stop them.

Four term fallacy.

Mexico doesn't inspect US cars on the way out of the Mexico any more than the US inspects cars going IN to Mexico.

Mexico doesn't inspect cars leaving Mexico.
The United States doesn't inspect cars leaving the United States.

Obviously, you have never crossed an international border.

 

[Into the Night]

Growing the economy,

Okay. Let's say you manage to increase the economy to bring in an additional $2 trillion in revenue somehow.
That does nothing to pay down the debt.

cheap energy,

Does nothing with the debt.

fair trade,

Does nothing with the debt.

preventative Health practices,

Does nothing with the debt.

lowering the Fed rate,

Increasing inflation won't erase the debt.

secure border,

Does nothing for the debt.

avoiding war,

Does nothing for the debt.

and DOGE.

Not enough. I already discussed this.

Stop borrowing from banks.

They don't.

Lincoln's Greenbacks were the first U.S. fiat currency and they were interest free.

Gold is fiat currency.

Maybe even gov't crypto mining.

Bitcoin and other digital currency has problems which I've already discussed.

Multiple four term fallacies.

 

[ZenMode]

It's coming in from BOTH nations, Void.

Canada started it's own problems. Nothing to do with the drug trade (although that IS one of it's problems).[

Irrelevance fallacy.

It isn't. Unrelated.

Four term fallacy.

Mexico doesn't inspect cars leaving Mexico.
The United States doesn't inspect cars leaving the United States.

Obviously, you have never crossed an international border.

Mexico doesn't inspect cars leaving Mexico.
The United States doesn't inspect cars leaving the United States.

Obviously, you have never crossed an international border.

That's what I just said ONE post ago: "Mexico doesn't inspect US cars on the way out of the Mexico any more than the US inspects cars going IN to Mexico."

I know this because I drive from Arizona to Mexico at least twice per year.

So, as data shows, it's US citizens who are, by far, the culprits bringing drugs INTO the US from Mexico. As you just said, after I said the same, Mexico does not inspect vehicles leaving Mexico. The US inspects those vehicles...

so.........

IF it's US citizens bringing drugs across the border... (wait for it).... It's the responsibility of the US to stop it because it's US CBP who would be checking those vehicles, not Mexico.

I'm glad we could clear that up and reinforce what a moron Trump is.

 

[Into the Night]

Mexico doesn't inspect cars leaving Mexico.
The United States doesn't inspect cars leaving the United States.

Obviously, you have never crossed an international border.

That's what I just said ONE post ago: "Mexico doesn't inspect US cars on the way out of the Mexico any more than the US inspects cars going IN to Mexico."

Irrelevant.

I know this because I drive from Arizona to Mexico at least twice per year.

I don't believe you.

So, as data shows, it's US citizens who are, by far, the culprits bringing drugs INTO the US from Mexico. As you just said, after I said the same, Mexico does not inspect vehicles leaving Mexico. The US inspects those vehicles...

Drugs don't just come through in vehicles, Void. Illegal aliens carry them, they come in through tunnels, they come in by submarine, they come in by aircraft, etc. Sometimes packets are just tossed over the border and picked up on the other side.

Same with Canada, but it's easier.

so.........

IF it's US citizens bringing drugs across the border... (wait for it).... It's the responsibility of the US to stop it because it's US CBP who would be checking those vehicles, not Mexico.

Special pleading fallacy. Irrelevance fallacy.

I'm glad we could clear that up and reinforce what a moron Trump is.

Mantra 1a. TDS. Assumption of victory fallacy.

 

[ZenMode]

Irrelevant.

I don't believe you.

Drugs don't just come through in vehicles, Void. Illegal aliens carry them, they come in through tunnels, they come in by submarine, they come in by aircraft, etc. Sometimes packets are just tossed over the border and picked up on the other side.

Same with Canada, but it's easier.


Special pleading fallacy. Irrelevance fallacy.

Mantra 1a. TDS. Assumption of victory fallacy.

What you believe is irrelevant. I've driven back and forth across the US/Mexico border about twice a year for the last 20+ years.

The data shows that nearly 90% of drug trafficking arrests are US citizens. That means the responsibility of stopping it falls nearly 90% on the US, not Mexico... as YOU already pointed out, Mexico isn't inspecting cars coming into the US. Again, YOU stated that. Don't try to backtrack now.

But, as usual, you're back to being dumb rather that actually trying to understand anything so, please, feel free to resume your stupidity. I won't get in your way any more on this topic, unless you decide to resolve your rectal-cranial inversion.

 

[AProudLefty]

And there it is. Why do you support a party that supports the mutilation of children?

Why do you support a party that supports lying?

 

[AProudLefty]

Yes.

Lie.

 

[Into the Night]

What you believe is irrelevant. I've driven back and forth across the US/Mexico border about twice a year for the last 20+ years.

I don't believe you. You have already shown you know nothing about the border crossing with Mexico. You have also completely ignored illegal aliens and other means of bringing in drugs and drug making 'kits'.

The data shows that nearly 90% of drug trafficking arrests are US citizens.

Four term fallacy.

That means the responsibility of stopping it falls nearly 90% on the US, not Mexico...

Four term fallacy.

as YOU already pointed out, Mexico isn't inspecting cars coming into the US.

Irrelevance fallacy.

Again, YOU stated that. Don't try to backtrack now.

I'm not. I'm saying it's irrelevant to continue to chant that.

But, as usual, you're back to being dumb rather that actually trying to understand anything so, please, feel free to resume your stupidity.

Mantra 1a. Lame.

I won't get in your way any more on this topic, unless you decide to resolve your rectal-cranial inversion.

Mantra 1a. Lame.

 

[Into the Night]

Why do you support a party that supports lying?

I'm not a Democrat, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

Lie.

Inversion fallacy.

 

[AProudLefty]

I'm not a Democrat, Sybil.

Republicans lie too.

 

[BartenderElite]

I feel like this is fairly unprecedented.

It's hard to remember a President who so proactively trashed the good economy he inherited. It's like his main goal coming into office was to hurt the economy. It's been so purposeful.

 

[Into the Night]

Republicans lie too.

Tu quoque fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

I feel like this is fairly unprecedented.

It's hard to remember a President who so proactively trashed the good economy he inherited. It's like his main goal coming into office was to hurt the economy. It's been so purposeful.

You are hallucinating, Barfly. TDS.

 

[AProudLefty]

Tu quoque fallacy.

That isn't how the fallacy works.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Don't you want to cut the dicks off little boys and turn them into sperm receptacles for homosexual men?

Why does your mind go to such places, Lil' Pup?

 

[AProudLefty]

Why does your mind go to such places, Lil' Pup?

Notice that @Damocles said nothing about it?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Notice that @Damocles said nothing about it?

Lil' Pup must have made a "contribution".

Damo has been stressed the past several months. Usual causes are financial; kids, marriage, job. Running JPP is a hobby for him but a costly one.

 

[ZenMode]

I feel like this is fairly unprecedented.

It's hard to remember a President who so proactively trashed the good economy he inherited. It's like his main goal coming into office was to hurt the economy. It's been so purposeful.

And alienating allies over basically nothing:

Fact check: Canada makes up just 0.2% of US border fentanyl seizures

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/03/politics/us-canada-trade-fentanyl-fact-check/index.html